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OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:34 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

9K ACK-BOS OCT 12>8 NOV 15>6 DEC 15>6 JAN 15>6 FEB 15>6 MAR 16>6
9K ACK-EWB OCT 7>3 NOV 10>1.8 DEC 10>1.7 JAN 10>1.7 FEB 10>1.7 MAR 10>1.7
9K ACK-HYA OCT 16>17 NOV 15>17 DEC 15>17 JAN 15>17 FEB 15>17 MAR 15>17
9K ACK-MVY NOV 1.7>3 DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.7>3 FEB 1.7>3 MAR 1.7>3
9K BOS-MVY OCT 12>7 NOV 15>6 DEC 15>6 JAN 15>6 FEB 15>6 MAR 15>6
9K BOS-PVC OCT 9>6 NOV 13>6 DEC 13>6 JAN 12>6 FEB 12>6 MAR 13>6
9K EWB-MVY OCT 4>3 NOV 5>3 DEC 5>3 JAN 5>3 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3
9K STT-SJU AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 8>9

AA DFW-ATL AUG 11>10
AA DFW-BNA AUG 8>7
AA DFW-BZE DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
AA DFW-CUN MAR 4>5
AA DFW-FLL DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7
AA DFW-LIR NOV 0.2>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.6 FEB 0.3>0.6 MAR 0.3>0.6
AA DFW-MBJ NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.5>0.7 JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.7 MAR 0.5>0.7
AA DFW-MTY DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA DFW-PBI DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA DFW-PHX DEC 9>10 JAN 9>10 FEB 9>10 MAR 9>10
AA DFW-PTY NOV 0.1>0.2 DEC 0.2>0.5 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5
AA DFW-RSW DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA DFW-SAT AUG 15>14
AA DFW-SJD DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA DFW-SJU DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
ZIH routinely provides subsidies, I'd assume it's deletion and reappearance was related to that.
*AA DFW-ZIH DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
AA JFK-CUN NOV 1.0>1.5 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-BOG NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA MIA-LIR NOV 0.9>1.4 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-SJU NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8
AA MIA-STL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA MIA-STX DEC 2>1.5 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 2>1.4 MAR 2>1.4
AA ORD-CUN NOV 0.7>1.3 DEC 1.2>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.1>3 MAR 1.2>3
*AA ORD-CZM DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
AA ORD-FLL NOV 3>4 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>5 FEB 3>5 MAR 3>5
*AA ORD-MBJ NOV 0.1>0.5 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0
AA ORD-PBI DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA ORD-PHX AUG 4>3
This was deleted a week or two ago, by mistake?
*AA ORD-PVR NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0>1.3 FEB 0>1.3 MAR 0>1.3
AA ORD-RSW DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA ORD-SJD NOV 1.7>1.1 DEC 3>1.2 JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>1.1 MAR 3>1.2

AM MCO-MEX NOV 1.4>1.8 DEC 1.5>1.6
AM MIA-CUN NOV 0>0.3
AM ORD-GDL OCT 0.6>0.4
*AM ORD-MTY AUG 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.6>0
AM SAT-MTY NOV 0.6>0.9

AS SEA-BOI SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8
AS SEA-PDX SEP 20>21 OCT 21>22 NOV 21>22 DEC 21>22 JAN 21>22 FEB 21>22 MAR 21>22

*AZ BOS-FCO JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0

*DL APN-MSP SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
DL ATL-CHA SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 11>10
DL ATL-CID SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.3 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9
**DL ATL-DAL SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5 NOV 0>5 DEC 0>5 JAN 0>5 FEB 0>5 MAR 0>5
DL ATL-ECP SEP 9>8 OCT 9>7 NOV 9>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 9>7
DL ATL-GPT SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL ATL-GSO SEP 10>9 NOV 10>9 MAR 10>9
DL ATL-GSP DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
DL ATL-MCO MAR 17>16
DL ATL-MGM FEB 9>8
DL ATL-NAS SEP 3>2
Surprising ATL doesn't work to a place as big as ONT.
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
DL ATL-ROA SEP 6>5
DL ATL-SXM NOV 0.3>0.4
DL ATL-TPA OCT 11>12
DL ATL-TRI SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8 MAR 9>8
DL ATL-VPS FEB 10>9
DL CVG-SEA OCT 0.9>0.5
DL CVG-SFO JAN 0.8>0.6
DL DLH-MSP OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
DL DTW-APN SEP 1.7>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.7 NOV 2.0>0.7 DEC 1.8>0.7 JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.7>0.7 MAR 1.7>0.7
DL DTW-ORD MAR 8>7
DL DTW-PDX OCT 0.7>0 MAR 0.8>0.5
DL DTW-PIA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
DL LAX-ATL OCT 11>10 NOV 11>10 DEC 10>9 JAN 11>10
DL LGA-MCO OCT 7>6
DL LGA-MSN NOV 0.8>1.6 DEC 0.8>1.6 JAN 0.9>1.7 FEB 0.9>1.7 MAR 0.8>1.7
DL LGA-TYS SEP 0.8>0.6
DL MCO-RDU AUG 2>1.4
DL MEM-CLE AUG 1.9>1.0
DL MEM-LIT AUG 3>2
DL MEM-OKC AUG 3>1.9
DL MSP-ORF SEP 0.1>0.0
DL MSP-PSC SEP 1.6>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.6>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0
DL MSP-TUS JAN 1.0>0.6
DL MSP-YEG OCT 3>2.0 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 MAR 3>2
DL MSP-YQR JAN 2.0>1.7 FEB 2>1.8
DL MSP-YXE JAN 2.0>1.8 FEB 2>1.9
DL SLC-ANC OCT 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-ANC OCT 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-DFW NOV 5>4
DL SLC-MSO SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL SLC-RNO SEP 5>4
DL SLC-YVR JAN 1.7>1.6 FEB 1.9>1.6

What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?
**G7 LGA-STL OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7

IS ACK-HYA AUG 12>14 SEP 11>14 OCT 12>14 NOV 12>14 DEC 11>14 JAN 12>14 FEB 11>14 MAR 11>14

JL ROR-NRT AUG 0>0.3

LA JFK-LIM OCT 1.2>1.0

OZ LAX-SJC OCT 0>0.9
OZ LGA-ORD SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 0.7>0
OZ MCO-ORD OCT 0.1>0.0

PK JFK-LHE NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.4

RJ ORD-AMM FEB 0.7>0.6 MAR 0.7>0.6

UA IAD-PVD DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
*UA IAH-ACT SEP 3>0.2 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
UA IAH-AGU AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
*UA IAH-AUA FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0
*UA IAH-AVL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.1 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0
UA IAH-BWI NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
*UA IAH-CDG OCT 0.9>0.3 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0
UA IAH-COS JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA IAH-CUU SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-GJT DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>0.9 FEB 1.5>0.9 MAR 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-GRK JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
*UA IAH-GSO SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-LCH NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
UA IAH-LFT NOV 9>8 DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8
UA IAH-MCI DEC 8>7 JAN 9>8
UA IAH-MLM AUG 2>1.3 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
Guess that's gone, Winter is peak.
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
UA IAH-ONT DEC 3>2
UA IAH-ORF DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 2.0>1.0
UA IAH-PBC AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-PBI NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA IAH-PHL NOV 5>4
UA IAH-PHX NOV 6>5 DEC 7>5
UA IAH-PSP NOV 1.7>0.9 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-SAN NOV 6>5
UA IAH-SAV DEC 2>1.4
UA IAH-SDF NOV 4>3
UA IAH-SLP AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-TAM SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
*UA IAH-TGZ SEP 0.3>0.0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0
*UA IAH-TLC SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-TRC AUG 1.4>1.2 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-TYR DEC 4>3
UA IAH-VSA SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA ORD-RSW DEC 1.3>3 JAN 1.3>3 FEB 1.3>3 MAR 1.3>3

US CLT-GPT OCT 4>3
US CLT-LGA OCT 14>13
US CLT-LGW JAN 1.0>0.9
US CLT-MIA OCT 7>6
US CLT-OAJ OCT 8>7
US CLT-PBI OCT 6>5
US CLT-RSW OCT 7>5
US CLT-SBY OCT 4>3
US CLT-SDF OCT 7>8
US DCA-CHS OCT 4>5
US DCA-CLT OCT 12>11
US DCA-GSO OCT 3>4
US DCA-ORF OCT 3>5
US DCA-PBI OCT 4>2
US DCA-PWM OCT 3>4
US DCA-RDU OCT 8>7
US DCA-SAV OCT 1.4>3
US DCA-YHZ OCT 0>0.1
US PHL-CLT OCT 11>10
US PHL-DCA OCT 10>9
US PHL-FLL OCT 5>4
US PHL-ITH OCT 5>6
US PHL-LAX OCT 5>6
US PHL-MDT OCT 8>7
US PHL-MIA OCT 4>3
US PHL-MKE OCT 4>5
US PHL-ORF OCT 7>8
US PHL-PBI OCT 4>3
US PHL-ROC OCT 6>7
US PHL-RSW OCT 4>1.4
US PHL-SCE OCT 6>7
US PHL-SEA OCT 1.2>1.9
US PHL-SFO OCT 4>5
US PHL-TPA OCT 5>4
US PHL-YOW OCT 4>3
US PHX-FLG OCT 7>6
US PHX-LAX OCT 8>7
US PHX-PSP OCT 6>5
US PHX-YUM OCT 6>5
US PHX-YYC OCT 2>3

VB IAH-MTY JAN 0.4>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6 MAR 0.5>0.6
VB LAS-MTY SEP 0.6>0.7
VB SAT-MTY SEP 0.3>0.4

VS MCO-MAN NOV 1.4>1.3 DEC 1.4>1.3 JAN 1.5>1.3 FEB 1.4>1.3

YV HNL-KOA OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
YV KOA-HNL OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
YV LIH-OGG SEP 1.0>1.4 OCT 1.0>1.4 NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.4 FEB 1.0>1.4 MAR 1.0>1.5
YV OGG-LIH SEP 1.0>1.4 OCT 1.0>1.4 NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.4 FEB 1.0>1.4 MAR 1.0>1.5

ZK FOD-MCW AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?

Misfile of a Delta Connection flight?
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-LAX OCT 5>6
US PHL-SEA OCT 1.2>1.9
US PHL-SFO OCT 4>5

US keeping the pressure on VX and AS.

The IAH reductions are interesting. I counted a decrease of 30 flights (very rough). It should be interesting to see if these are just seasonal pull downs or they are permanent reductions.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:59 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Surprising ATL doesn't work to a place as big as ONT.
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

It's not so surprising when they're running 11 daily round-trips to LAX. With a single daily, the chance that the schedule in both directions will happen to meet the traveler's needs is pretty low -- so they'd be relying on people who are just incredibly averse to driving to LAX. The SLC-ONT service doesn't help much since relatively few East Coast markets have non-stop flights to SLC and a double-connect just to get to ONT seems silly. ATL-SNA wouldn't work with only one or two dailies, either.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Guess that's gone, Winter is peak.
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0

Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years. What's going to be their excuse if/when NK jumps into IAH-Mexico? UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service (not that it's much worse than UA's in any event).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-AGU AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-CUU SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-MLM AUG 2>1.3 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-PBC AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-SLP AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-TAM SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
*UA IAH-TGZ SEP 0.3>0.0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0
*UA IAH-TLC SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-TRC AUG 1.4>1.2 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-VSA SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0

It's really a bit surprising to see all the cuts in the monopoly (or near-monopoly) small U.S.-Mexico markets (TLC obviously does not fit that classification). IAH-VSA especially should see a good bit of oil industry traffic.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?
**G7 LGA-STL OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7

Perhaps it's just out there to keep the G7 code active. Isn't G7 doing the DL Connection/LGA stuff at-risk? With STL as home base, they do need to get the planes back to the maintenance operation, too.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AZ BOS-FCO JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0

A bit odd that BOS goes seasonal for AZ but FCO does have a heavy leisure component.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:07 pm

Thanks for posting this information regularly, enilria. I'm sure many people appreciate your efforts!
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-ROA SEP 6>5

The other part of this news is that one flight a day will now be a A319 rather than a RJ. This marks the return of ROA to mainline legacy service after about a decade. The only other scheduled mainline flights we've had have been the few G4 trips to Florida each week.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that US decides to match that, perhaps with something larger than a Dash-8 on the route to PHL.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-LAX OCT 5>6
US PHL-SEA OCT 1.2>1.9
US PHL-SFO OCT 4>5
US keeping the pressure on VX and AS.

US is skilled at that.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
It's not so surprising when they're running 11 daily round-trips to LAX.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
ATL-SNA wouldn't work with only one or two dailies, either.

I think SNA is down to 3X. Well they are basically ceding ATL-ONT to WN if they want it. That's very unlike DL. It'll be interesting to see if they go back if WN takes the bait.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Guess that's gone, Winter is peak.
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
It's really a bit surprising to see all the cuts in the monopoly (or near-monopoly) small U.S.-Mexico markets (TLC obviously does not fit that classification). IAH-VSA especially should see a good bit of oil industry traffic.

Clearly, savvy Mexican business execs are putting off business trips for 3 years in anticipation of future lower fares. :p

In all seriousness, I would think Mexico should improve with the new govt that promises less confrontation with organized crime.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service

NK would probably operate IAH-MZT at 0130 and depart the plane to IAH at 0355. I hope NK goes into this Mexico stuff just to shaft both UA and WN. UA deserves it for their immaturity and WN deserves it for their IT B.S. that has forced them to telegraph their plans for 2016 with no legitimate way to do anything in the interim.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?

Misfile of a Delta Connection flight?
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Perhaps it's just out there to keep the G7 code active.
Quoting azstar (Reply 4):

Thanks for posting this information regularly, enilria. I'm sure many people appreciate your efforts!

That makes sense.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years. What's going to be their excuse if/when NK jumps into IAH-Mexico? UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service (not that it's much worse than UA's in any event).

Well, MZT has been hurt by the Narco issues - cartel violence has really hulled that region out in terms of tourism.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-TLC SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

I smell Spirit...

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 2):
The IAH reductions are interesting. I counted a decrease of 30 flights (very rough). It should be interesting to see if these are just seasonal pull downs or they are permanent reductions.

Well, most of these are seasonal - we see the reductions along these lines every year. The ones that are gone for good are noted.

Quoting enilria (Reply 6):
NK would probably operate IAH-MZT at 0130 and depart the plane to IAH at 0355. I hope NK goes into this Mexico stuff just to shaft both UA and WN. UA deserves it for their immaturity and WN deserves it for their IT B.S. that has forced them to telegraph their plans for 2016 with no legitimate way to do anything in the interim.

As well as VSA and TLC. I agree completely with you. The funny thing UA told WN that if they wanted to start flying international to Mexico and the Caribbean...do it from IAH. Now UA may have NK to answer that call.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

Seasonal comes back in APR.

Quoting enilria (Reply 6):

I think SNA is down to 3X. Well they are basically ceding ATL-ONT to WN if they want it. That's very unlike DL. It'll be interesting to see if they go back if WN takes the bait.

SNA is down to 3x 757 but up in capacity. (down from 5x 73W)
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-GSO SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0

I mean really??? GSO cant support a daily flight to IAH?
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL APN-MSP SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-APN SEP 1.7>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.7 NOV 2.0>0.7 DEC 1.8>0.7 JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.7>0.7 MAR 1.7>0.7

This is for the rebid EAS flying, now to be operated by Skywest. Initially DL wanted to drop APN along with the retirement of the SF3 fleet, but was continuing to operate 2x DTW-APN CRJ service (with a tag-on to PLN during the winter months) until the service was rebid. For a while it was not looking good for APN, there was some potential small operators but fortunetely Skywest stepped up. They're offering a daily APN-MSP CRJ and weekday APN-DTW CRJ flight.


DL is adding a daily mainline flight back into several markets out of ATL that have traditionally not had mainline service in several years in September. Most, if not all will be RONs, with an evening flight out of ATL, and a morning flight to ATL. Most are replacing CRJs. These markets will be "perfect" for some 717s starting next year.....

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-CHA SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 11>10

Getting a DC-9-50, dropping a CRJ flight

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-GSO SEP 10>9 NOV 10>9 MAR 10>9

Going from:
4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 2x D95, 2x M88, 73W
To:
1x CRJ, 1x CR7, 6x M88

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-ROA SEP 6>5

Adding an A319, dropping a CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-TRI SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8 MAR 9>8

Adding a DC-9-50, dropping a CRJ

Quoting twa727 (Reply 5):
The other part of this news is that one flight a day will now be a A319 rather than a RJ. This marks the return of ROA to mainline legacy service after about a decade. The only other scheduled mainline flights we've had have been the few G4 trips to Florida each week.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that US decides to match that, perhaps with something larger than a Dash-8 on the route to PHL.

That is pretty significant for ROA. I figured they'd at least get some 66/70/76 seaters since those 50 seaters are notorously oversold at times.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

AZ stopped flying for about 6 weeks last winter. Conditions must be that bad to stop flying now.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

Seasonal comes back in APR.

That's still amazing. ONT-ATL once had a 763 on the route, as one of the multiple frequencies. SJC-ATL had 3/day (down to one red-eye now, assuming that's even safe) and several OAK-ATL and SMF-ATL frequencies. OAK-ATL is gone, and SMF maybe has one frequency left. There have been BOI-ATL and BUR-ATL flights at one time also; along with FAT-ATL that was announced but not started AFAIK.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-PHX AUG 4>3

This has to be an all time low on frequency for AA's PHX-ORD route. I cannot remember when they ever had such few frequencies on the route - even during summer months.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
A bit odd that BOS goes seasonal for AZ but FCO does have a heavy leisure component.

FCO seems to be the cut of the season this year with UA and DL significantly reducing frequencies as well.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):

Yeah ATL-Cali is down. OAK i gone but comes back all the time. SJC is down to 1x 738. ONT Is 2x 738s right now, but goes down to 1x 738 soon. SMF is 1x 738 1x 757 and has been pulled back a bit with the adding of LAX-SMF.


and FWIW I'm pretty sure we had RNO flights too. Just better to fly them via SLC i guess.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years. What's going to be their excuse if/when NK jumps into IAH-Mexico? UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service (not that it's much worse than UA's in any event).

Well, MZT has been hurt by the Narco issues - cartel violence has really hulled that region out in terms of tourism.

Well, I think all of these cuts aren't really due to UA's bitter war with the city (I think these flights are probably all poor), but I also agree that MZT was always fragile and headless corpses push it over the edge. MZT is the DAB of Mexico IMHO. I've been to both and I think that is an apt comparison in terms of the product they offer. MZT has no MCO nearby, but I mean in terms of the size of the tourist beach product I'd say they are similar.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Reply 6):

As well as VSA and TLC. I agree completely with you. The funny thing UA told WN that if they wanted to start flying international to Mexico and the Caribbean...do it from IAH. Now UA may have NK to answer that call.

I'd really like to see the fireworks if NK goes into some interior markets and ties up the second route authority allowed under the bilateral.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
Seasonal comes back in APR.
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 6):

I think SNA is down to 3X. Well they are basically ceding ATL-ONT to WN if they want it. That's very unlike DL. It'll be interesting to see if they go back if WN takes the bait.

SNA is down to 3x 757 but up in capacity. (down from 5x 73W)
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
That's still amazing. ONT-ATL once had a 763 on the route, as one of the multiple frequencies.

I'm with BoeingGuy. The largest hub in the world can't support service to secondary cities on the West Coast of the USA? I find that staggering. ONT has a lot of flights. It's not TUS or GEG or even BOI. SNA with three may be about right, but DL used to have SNA-DTW and JFK. Those are also gone. Perhaps DL is really weakening on the West Coast as UA gets stronger. It may also show why DL continues on with the financial boat anchor of an LAX hub. Without that they are not a West Coast airline. SLC is really an East-West hub and does a poor job of serving the West Coast market. This all leads me back to DL inevitably buying AS. It's just when...

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-GSO SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0
I mean really??? GSO cant support a daily flight to IAH?

Well, it's not a traditional market. CO Lite tried it eons ago. I agree it seems like it should work, but part of what is happening is a reluctance to fly 50 seaters on routes this long which is condemning a lot of these Carolinas markets to 1 roundtrip or even seasonal service to IAH or even DFW.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AZ stopped flying for about 6 weeks last winter. Conditions must be that bad to stop flying now.

Fuel is looking good, but the Euro crisis shows no signs of getting better.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
This all leads me back to DL inevitably buying AS. It's just when...

Don't start.............
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):AA ORD-PHX AUG 4>3
This has to be an all time low on frequency for AA's PHX-ORD route. I cannot remember when they ever had such few frequencies on the route - even during summer months.

Agreed. I know a number of people in Chicago that regularly fly to PHX for business. My wife used to work for a company with a large Scottsdale office, and she probably flew ORD-PHX at least quarterly. The number of elites on a flight, either at ORD or PHX, was probably half the airplane. The only route out of ORD with more elites was ORD-DFW.

Who is cutting into AA's traffic to the point that it only needs 3 round-trips in August? UA? US? WN?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 18):
Who is cutting into AA's traffic to the point that it only needs 3 round-trips in August? UA? US? WN?

Today US has 5, UA 2, AA 3, WN 7.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
and FWIW I'm pretty sure we had RNO flights too.

Very briefly, DL flew ATL-RNO on Saturdays only. I believe it ended around 2008. That's the only ATL-RNO service I am aware of.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
SNA with three may be about right, but DL used to have SNA-DTW and JFK. Those are also gone.

DL flew SNA-CVG for years, and once they decided to end that route they had a really hard time figuring out what to do with the slot. The result was brief attempt at service to both JFK and DTW, and actually a try at SNA-LAS as well.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AZ BOS-FCO JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
A bit odd that BOS goes seasonal for AZ but FCO does have a heavy leisure component.

I think it's a sign of the struggles that AZ may be going through.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?
**G7 LGA-STL OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Perhaps it's just out there to keep the G7 code active. Isn't G7 doing the DL Connection/LGA stuff at-risk? With STL as home base, they do need to get the planes back to the maintenance operation, too.

What does the G7 code stand for? Is that Pinnacle?


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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
What does the G7 code stand for? Is that Pinnacle?

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Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
GoJet.

   since when were they flying for DL Connection?
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:42 pm

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 20):
The result was brief attempt at service to both JFK and DTW,

Actually, NW did multiple daily SNA-DTW for many years along with the SNA-MSP. They also did SJC-DTW. So SNA-DTW was not brief, except maybe for trying it again, as you refer to.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23):
since when were they flying for DL Connection?

Announced late last year. I'm not sure when it started.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Perhaps DL is really weakening on the West Coast as UA gets stronger.

But UA isn't getting stronger on the West Coast either except for SFO. UA has chopped back LAX for quite a while.

The problem with many of these secondary West Coast markets to ATL is that the yields are just not high enough to cover the amount of flight time given fuel prices and the weak economy. ONT has also taken a nose dive economically and went from a boomtown to a foreclosure capital.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Well, it's not a traditional market. CO Lite tried it eons ago. I agree it seems like it should work, but part of what is happening is a reluctance to fly 50 seaters on routes this long which is condemning a lot of these Carolinas markets to 1 roundtrip or even seasonal service to IAH or even DFW.

If UA had more aircraft in the 70 seat range, they might make GSO work. But given the stage length, the 50 seater stinks and UA doesn't have enough large RJ's to spare, so the route get's whacked.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
That is pretty significant for ROA. I figured they'd at least get some 66/70/76 seaters since those 50 seaters are notorously oversold at times.

Nice to see ROA get some mainline love.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 26):
If UA had more aircraft in the 70 seat range, they might make GSO work. But given the stage length, the 50 seater stinks and UA doesn't have enough large RJ's to spare, so the route get's whacked.

What's left as far as long, low-frequency ERJ flights from IAH? I know CRW gets a single daily ERJ; I assume that route is in some danger.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):
What's left as far as long, low-frequency ERJ flights from IAH?

CID 1x daily
DSM 2x daily
GRR 1x daily
SAV 2x daily
CAE 1x daily
CHS 2x daily
GSP 2x daily
RIC 2x daily
ORF 1x daily (+ 1 CRJ700)

All of these are over 800 miles and use ERJ's.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAD-PVD DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
*UA IAH-ACT SEP 3>0.2 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
UA IAH-AGU AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
*UA IAH-AUA FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0
*UA IAH-AVL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.1 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0
UA IAH-BWI NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
*UA IAH-CDG OCT 0.9>0.3 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0
UA IAH-COS JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA IAH-CUU SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-GJT DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>0.9 FEB 1.5>0.9 MAR 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-GRK JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
*UA IAH-GSO SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-LCH NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
UA IAH-LFT NOV 9>8 DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8
UA IAH-MCI DEC 8>7 JAN 9>8
UA IAH-MLM AUG 2>1.3 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
Guess that's gone, Winter is peak.
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
UA IAH-UA IAH-ORF DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 2.0>1.0
UA IAH-PBC AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-PBI NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA IAH-PHL NOV 5>4
UA IAH-PHX NOV 6>5 DEC 7>5
UA IAH-PSP NOV 1.7>0.9 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-SAN NOV 6>5
UA IAH-SAV DEC 2>1.4
UA IAH-SDF NOV 4>3
UA IAH-SLP AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-TAM SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
*UA IAH-TGZ SEP 0.3>0.0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0
*UA IAH-TLC SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-TRC AUG 1.4>1.2 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-TYR DEC 4>3
UA IAH-VSA SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 2):
The IAH reductions are interesting. I counted a decrease of 30 flights (very rough). It should be interesting to see if these are just seasonal pull downs or they are permanent reductions.

How things change, eh? Who would have thought, and so quickly? Are we now seeing more than 10% cutbacks? Where's all of the discussions here of the CLE or DEN hubs getting whacked.... or even LAX or IAD for that matter?

I think that we can all now learn from this that when Jeff Smisek gets pi**ed off at you, there isn't any place to go to get out of his way. Just what happens to the largest hub of the world's largest airline.

 Wow!



[Edited 2012-07-10 14:20:08]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting twa727 (Reply 5):
I'll keep my fingers crossed that US decides to match that, perhaps with something larger than a Dash-8 on the route to PHL.

I wouldn't count on it. The ROA-PHL flights fluctuate between DH8 and DH3 (even a CRJ at times), and are not usually full. An extra flight will also be offered soon to offset the loss of the ROA-LGA flights. ROA-CLT, however, is consistently oversold, even with 8 flights per day on DH8, DH3, and CR2. I would think that US could fill an E190 or 733 once per day, especially around Virginia Tech holidays and football game days.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:43 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
I'd really like to see the fireworks if NK goes into some interior markets and ties up the second route authority allowed under the bilateral.

That would be enjoyable.  
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 24):
NW did multiple daily SNA-DTW for many years along with the SNA-MSP.

NW at one time flew SNA-SEA two daily. I'm sure it was short-lived, and I can't even remember when it was. I just remember the billboards.

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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Reply 16): This all leads me back to DL inevitably buying AS. It's just when...
Don't start.............

That can be fighting words here on A.net you guys know that, right?

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 31):
NW at one time flew SNA-SEA two daily. I'm sure it was short-lived, and I can't even remember when it was. I just remember the billboards.

Right after the RC merger with M80's? I don't remember that route, but do remember SEA-LAX and PDX-SFO on NW.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:13 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 18):
Who is cutting into AA's traffic to the point that it only needs 3 round-trips in August? UA? US? WN?

US is currently leading in weekly seats in the market.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23):
since when were they flying for DL Connection?

They are using DL owned CR7s that were reallocated from OO and EV. Started around March I would like to say on DTW-ELM until the new slots became available at LGA.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:32 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
SNA-DTW and JFK.

and CVG-SNA and LAS-SNA....all on the same slot.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
The largest hub in the world can't support service to secondary cities on the West Coast of the USA? I find that staggering.

err....its 1x to ONT and it will be coming back.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 26):
ONT has also taken a nose dive economically and went from a boomtown to a foreclosure capital.

This.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):

I wont start, I will just say, You better hope AA backs off. I don't see Delta letting AA do it to them again. (Think BEX)
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 31):
NW at one time flew SNA-SEA two daily. I'm sure it was short-lived, and I can't even remember when it was. I just remember the billboards.

With all due respect, I sure don't remember that. I that America West did it for a short time, but not sure on that. The only airlines that I know of who ever did SNA-SEA are AS, QQ and AA. AA had actually dropped it (along with SJC-PDX) before 9/11, after which they dropped the rest of the former QQ routes.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ATL-DAL SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5 NOV 0>5 DEC 0>5 JAN 0>5 FEB 0>5 MAR 0>5

I must have missed something, enjoying summertime with the kids. What's this all about? Perimeter?

Edit:
Oh, just found this:

http://www.ajc.com/business/delta-to-launch-flights-1475291.html

It will be right under DL's 750 mile 2-class rule... (721m ATL-DAL)

[Edited 2012-07-11 08:54:59]
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:52 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 29):

Definitely some DEN style cuts circa late 2011 for IAH right now.

One has to ponder if it's UA truely right sizing IAH or a grudge issue with the Smisek.

I guess that 22 mill in forgiven debt at DEN went a long way   
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 28):

CID 1x daily
DSM 2x daily
GRR 1x daily
SAV 2x daily
CAE 1x daily
CHS 2x daily
GSP 2x daily
RIC 2x daily
ORF 1x daily (+ 1 CRJ700)

DSM, GRR, CHS, RIC, and ORF are all ripe for 2-class RJs. I'd even say CHS and RIC could support mainline. But as you pointed out, they're pretty thin on those anyway.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 38):
One has to ponder if it's UA truely right sizing IAH or a grudge issue with the Smisek.

It's nothing personal. What stinks is the fact that they are using HOU as an excuse for the cuts but it's all about balancing the overall network. CO was all about IAH, CLE and EWR. That's ALL they had. Now, we have LAX, SFO, IAH, ORD, CLE, IAD, EWR.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):
I mean really??? GSO cant support a daily flight to IAH?
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 39):
It's nothing personal. What stinks is the fact that they are using HOU as an excuse for the cuts but it's all about balancing the overall network. CO was all about IAH, CLE and EWR. That's ALL they had. Now, we have LAX, SFO, IAH, ORD, CLE, IAD, EWR.

Yep. The cuts at IAH are good for the airline's bottom line. Its extremely poor taste and very low class for them to use the HOU issue. It is not going unnocticed here in Houston.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
As always, thanks E for the updates

 
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 26):
The problem with many of these secondary West Coast markets to ATL is that the yields are just not high enough to cover the amount of flight time given fuel prices and the weak economy.

Well, I'm not sure the yields are really any higher on ATL-SFO than ATL-SMF. SFO has LCC competition. The same could be said of ONT.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 28):
All of these are over 800 miles and use ERJ's.

Which breaks the DL single class rule (although ATL-DAL does as well). I think UA will also adopt that rule.

Quoting point2point (Reply 29):
Where's all of the discussions here of the CLE or DEN hubs getting whacked.... or even LAX or IAD for that matter?

The DOT data demonstrably shows that IAH is better than CLE or DEN, but DEN is getting expanded because of that huge rent abatement incentive and CLE isn't getting cut yet...but it will. They just aren't in a rush. People thought MEM had escaped the blade when CVG was getting hacked and it didn't.

Quoting point2point (Reply 29):
I think that we can all now learn from this that when Jeff Smisek gets pi**ed off at you

Well, I think he hates his customers (at least in Houston), so that's a bad sign.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 31):
Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
I'd really like to see the fireworks if NK goes into some interior markets and ties up the second route authority allowed under the bilateral.

That would be enjoyable.

I'm praying for it.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 32):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Reply 16): This all leads me back to DL inevitably buying AS. It's just when...
Don't start.............

That can be fighting words here on A.net you guys know that, right?

I decided to let it go, but AA oddly left AS off their list of merger partners instead focusing on VX. LOL

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 35):
Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
The largest hub in the world can't support service to secondary cities on the West Coast of the USA? I find that staggering.

err....its 1x to ONT and it will be coming back.

It's 0x this Winter.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 37):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ATL-DAL SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5 NOV 0>5 DEC 0>5 JAN 0>5 FEB 0>5 MAR 0>5

I must have missed something, enjoying summertime with the kids. What's this all about? Perimeter?

CRJs are exempt from the rule and DL broke their internal rule about flying single class airplanes on 2 hours or less.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 32):
Right after the RC merger with M80's? I don't remember that route, but do remember SEA-LAX and PDX-SFO on NW.

Not sure.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 36):
With all due respect, I sure don't remember that.

Well, I'll have to do some digging to save some face.   Where's Burnsie28 when I need him? I'll have to Facebook IM one of the two PMNW Res agents that I know and see if they can help me out, though neither probably worked for the company at the time (and one is about to lose her job in SEA).

-Dave

[Edited 2012-07-11 09:39:48]
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
DL broke their internal rule about flying single class airplanes on 2 hours or less.

The internal rule was 750 miles, not 2 hours. It complies (barely).
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 42):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 36):With all due respect, I sure don't remember that.

This is from the December 15, 1989 OAG, for SEA:


NORTHWEST AIRLINES
Aircraft Operated:
Airbus A320, Boeing 727-100, Boeing 727-200, Boeing 747-100/200, Boeing 757-200,
McDonnell Douglas MD-80, McDonnell Douglas DC-10
Destinations Served:
Anchorage (AK), Chicago O'Hare (IL), Detroit Metro (MI), Honolulu (HI), Los Angeles (CA), Memphis (TN),
Minneapolis/Saint Paul (MN), New York Kennedy (NY), Orange County (CA), Spokane (WA)


I don't think those are codeshare cities, but am ready to be corrected. All I can say is I vividly remember the billboard for their new service SEA-SNA, two daily.  

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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):

It's 0x this Winter.

yes, low season in a down market gets cut. If ONT wasn't in such bad shape it would still have its flights. much cheaper to make people fly via SLC.

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
SFO has LCC competition.

but is a much bigger corporate/biz market than ONT. (and Delta pretty much owns that traffic)

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):

CRJs are exempt from the rule and DL broke their internal rule about flying single class airplanes on 2 hours or less.

No they didn't. the rule is 750M. ATL-DAL is 721Ms.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 26):
UA has chopped back LAX for quite a while.

While frequencies might be down, enplanements are up however.

In general UA LAX has seen an upgauge in capacity size with shift from things like OO EMB120s to CRJ200/700s, and also mainline capacity in favor of 320/757 since the 737 classic fleet left the West Coast. Also international capacity has grown with added new PVG flight, and increased Mexico flying.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 45):
If ONT wasn't in such bad shape it would still have its flights.

  

And news out just today to highlight this fact - City of San Bernardino last night voted to prepare for a bankruptcy filing, making it the 3rd City in CA to file.

And to show how bad the Inland Empire is from a City statement:

How did this happen?

A: San Bernardino faces another year of budget deficit of more than $40 million. Our area has almost 16 percent unemployment (versus the state's 10.8 percent) and was clobbered by the financial crisis and the housing downturn. Since 2008, we have experienced a drop-off in property-tax and sales-tax revenue of nearly 35%. On top of all that, we've been unable to keep up with growing pension contribution requirements and have had to issue more than $40 million in bonds to fund the mandated shortfall. The city has laid off 20 percent of its workforce — 250 workers — and seen city employees take a 10-percent pay cut already. San Bernardino will have to come up with some way of funding itself to keep firefighters, cops, sanitation, and other essential workers on the job. Bankruptcy would enable the city to stop servicing its debts and use revenue instead to keep the city operating.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:20 pm

Yes, I think DL's ATL-ONT cut speaks way more about the state of ONT and the Inland Empire than anything else. The area is reeling - it has been an economic disaster since before the housing crisis went national, and it isn't getting any better. ONT has seen heavy cuts across the board over the last few years. This is nothing unique to DL.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
The DOT data demonstrably shows that IAH is better than CLE or DEN, but DEN is getting expanded because of that huge rent abatement incentive and CLE isn't getting cut yet...but it will.

Exactly

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
Well, I think he hates his customers (at least in Houston), so that's a bad sign.

Thats the image that all this is being portrayed by media. Its set up a good (City of Houston/Southwest/Hobby) vs. Evil (United) dynamic here in Houston.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
Well, I'm not sure the yields are really any higher on ATL-SFO than ATL-SMF. SFO has LCC competition. The same could be said of ONT.
Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 47):
Yes, I think DL's ATL-ONT cut speaks way more about the state of ONT and the Inland Empire than anything else. The area is reeling - it has been an economic disaster since before the housing crisis went national, and it isn't getting any better. ONT has seen heavy cuts across the board over the last few years. This is nothing unique to DL.

ATL-SFO is noticeably higher yielding on DL compared to ATL-ONT or even SMF, not to mention slightly higher load factors as well:

City pair Median Ticket Price $ Load Factor %
ATL-SFO $292 91%
ATL-SMF $268 87%
ATL-ONT $233 89%