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DL Mainline Returns To AVL, CHA, ROA, TRI, ILM

Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:02 am

A interesting addition to this week's schedule, although it was somewhat buried in the OAG thread.

DL is adding more mainline flying back to routes out of ATL that traditionally have not seen DL mainline service much, if not all for a better part of the decade.

Most of the flights are RON flights, leaving ATL in the evening, departing for ATL in the morning. In many markets they are compensating with the reduction of a CRJ frequency. This is adding more capacity at peak travel times and adding a 2-class service on the more popular business flights. Note that most other service throughout the day will remain on 50 seat CRJs

AVL: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012)
CHA: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012
ROA: A319 (Sept 2012)
TRI: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012)
ILM: DC-9-50 (October 2012) (ILM goes from 6x CRJ to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x CR9 in Sept, and to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x D95 in Oct)

Additional ATL upgauging:
GSO: Going from: 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 2x D95, 2x M88, 73W To: 1x CRJ, 1x CR7, 6x M88
FAY: DC-9-50 upgauged to MD88
MOB: Going from 7x CRJ, 1x A319, 1x MD88; To: 6x CRJ, 1x A319, 2x DC-9-50

[Edited 2012-07-10 17:05:32]
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:09 am

It would be great to see DL come back into some midwest markets with the same idea..FWA, SBN and other similar sized markets. Some the airport is far enough out of town that the potential complaints of a DC9 would be nil.(tho any A nut in those cites would be camped out as close to the runways as possible!)
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:16 am

LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs  .
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs

The layovers mostly appear to be set-up so the crew just spend the night and fly the same plane back in the morning. Most are 10-12 hours, so they most likely won't be spending "all day" there.

Layovers in these types of cities can be easier than larger markets. The airports are quicker to get in/out of at the beginning/end of the day, and typically a short trip to the hotel. The crew hotels could be better than larger cities.

Seriously, these markets aren't that small. A crew hotel in one city is like a crew hotel in another. Not all layovers are going to be in LHR, YVR, MIA, etc.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:55 am

C'mon CHA is not that bad...the DL crew can drive back home to ATL for the night and drive back in the morning for the fight 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:57 am

Good to see DL reversing the trend of most airlines the past 15 years.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late.

On nights with T-storms in ATL, you can bet many if not nearly all these RONs will be cancelled. The crews would end up illegal the next day with less than 8 hours rest and with a small D95 fleet and limited crews it will throw off the entire next day schedule if for legality they end up leaving the outstation at 1100 instead of 0800 for the trip to ATL.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:12 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal.

Waffle House, Denny's, etc are always around. Not great, but they'll do.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of!

And how is this any different than the DC-9 flying that was done for DECADES at NW, or by what used to be flown by 73S's at DL?

As I think about it more, if there are any crews out there with this mentality, they need to realize they can't have their cake and eat it too. The type of thinking "that we're too good to fly short-hops, to smaller markets, etc. is what partially led to the outsourcing or RJ operations. Most have seen what that did to the industry and they're now standing their ground and want to reclaim this flying. DL pilots want more mainline flying, want to take flying back from DCI. They're going to get RONs in places like TRI, ROA, FNT, MDT, etc.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
Good to see DL reversing the trend of most airlines the past 15 years.

Exactly!

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 6):
On nights with T-storms in ATL, you can bet many if not nearly all these RONs will be cancelled. The crews would end up illegal the next day with less than 8 hours rest and with a small D95 fleet and limited crews it will throw off the entire next day schedule if for legality they end up leaving the outstation at 1100 instead of 0800 for the trip to ATL.

Or perhaps they'll cancel some of the other RJ flights. In most cases these mainline flights are neither the last flight of the evening nor the first flight out in the morning. There are often a CRJ flight post 10pm out of ATL and pre-6am inbound to ATL. In addition, ATL is a crew base for these fleet types with reserves. Also they could easily sub a different fleet type in on any one of these routes and equipment availability dictates. Don't be surprised to see A319, A320, MD88 sub's as needed on any of these routes.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
Waffle House, Denny's, etc are always around. Not great, but they'll do.

Seriously I've been in most of these cities, they are not bad at all. For road warriors every city and hotel starts to be the same after awhile.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ILM: DC-9-50 (October 2012) (ILM goes from 6x CRJ to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x CR9 in Sept, and to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x D95 in Oct)

ILM is getting quite the upgrade. Serious question... Is there some event, seasonal upswing or economic boom going on? US has run mainline there for years, so I don't see DL having any problem making this work.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ROA: A319 (Sept 2012)

*bad taste in mouth*

Moving on...

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs  .

You do realize that some crews enjoy RON's in the smaller cities that "feel" like a larger city. Most crews dont seem to mind coming to Charleston..short ride to the airport, plenty of late night food, and drink a short walk from the hotel. I assume ROA is a similar feel. Sometimes a generally friendly population helps too. I'm getting the impression you haven't spent much time in cities this size.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
Good to see DL reversing the trend of most airlines the past 15 years.

One small step for man..... I just hope the trend continues. And of course I have to say it... no love for CRW this round.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:34 am

All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630 . It is not considered a 'layover'..technically...as the trip is one continuous duty period. At NWA we called the mommy/daddy trips; put the kids to bed, fly to MOT, take a nap in an airport hotel...and back at base before the morning rush hour. They went senior.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 10):
All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630 . It is not considered a 'layover'..technically...as the trip is one continuous duty period. At NWA we called the mommy/daddy trips; put the kids to bed, fly to MOT, take a nap in an airport hotel...and back at base before the morning rush hour. They went senior.

My daughter, who is a F/A for Skywest out of SLC, likes this trips, just for the reasons you mention. She tries to schedule these as much as possible thruout the month, just so she can be with the kids, most of the time.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Additional ATL upgauging:

To add to your list, beginning tomorrow ATW-ATL is going from 2x CR7 to 1x CR9 and 1x CR7. These flights are normally 100% full, so it is a necessary upgrade.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ROA: A319 (Sept 2012)

*bad taste in mouth*

Why? The A319 is among the most comfortable narrowbody aircraft in the fleet. Would you prefer a CRJ? Or is this just the usual Airbus bashing we see in the DL threads?
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:06 am

I've lived in huge metro areas, including NYC, Toronto and Chicago. I live in ROA by choice -- good quality of life, low cost of living and gorgeous scenery. A crewmember overnighting here will have the same or better type of hotel that's just minutes from the airport, is quiet, in a place where people are kind and considerate. There's no long waiting for the shuttle bus, throngs of people or hordes of traffic. The air is clean and the views superb. It's good living, and crews will appreciate the change of pace. Heck, there's even a Shula's steakhouse at the airport Sheraton. Welcome, mainline DL!
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:31 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs

I'm going to disagree with you.

No difference between a TRI layover for 11 hours and a DAB layover for 11 hours.

Hotel placement means everything; "very late at night, desperate to eat a meal" can take place in a downtown or other centrally located area if there aren't the right things around or at the hotel. Even at TRI, MOB, CHA, etc., this depends less on the location and more on the hotel itself from my experience.


No reason to avoid these small, hassle-free airports in the middle of a trip.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 10):
All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630 . It is not considered a 'layover'..technically...as the trip is one continuous duty period. At NWA we called the mommy/daddy trips; put the kids to bed, fly to MOT, take a nap in an airport hotel...and back at base before the morning rush hour. They went senior.

For now, these routes aren't being built like that. Here some of the schedule to show:

AVL:
DL 1518 ATL AVL 2045 2139 D95
EV 5292 ATL AVL 2200 2258 CRJ

EV 5228 AVL ATL 0605 0710 CRJ
DL 1517 AVL ATL 0725 0830 D95

Layover: 9:46

CHA:
DL 1714 ATL CHA 1915 2001 D95
EV 5232 ATL CHA 2045 2138 CRJ
EV 4923 ATL CHA 2255 2353 CRJ

EV 5583 CHA ATL 0545 0635 CRJ
DL 1771 CHA ATL 0645 0735 D95

Layover: 10:44

ROA:
DL 1993 ATL ROA 1755 1920 319
EV 5316 ATL ROA 2149 2310 CRJ

EV 5512 ROA ATL 0610 0735 CRJ
DL 1349 ROA ATL 0730 0859 319

Layover: 12:10

TRI:
DL 2126 ATL TRI 1955 2100 D95
EV 5350 ATL TRI 2210 2318 CRJ

EV 5344 TRI ATL 0550 0659 CRJ
DL 1350 TRI ATL 0730 0842 D95

Layover: 10:30

ILM:
DL 2411 ATL ILM 1930 2050 D95
EV 5022 ATL ILM 2210 2330 CRJ

EV 5575 ILM ATL 0600 0725 CRJ
DL 2409 ILM ATL 0705 0835 D95

Layover: 10:35

Quoting KGRB (Reply 12):
To add to your list, beginning tomorrow ATW-ATL is going from 2x CR7 to 1x CR9 and 1x CR7. These flights are normally 100% full, so it is a necessary upgrade.

Yeah, that sounds like more or less typical adjustments. There are always a lot of these with every month. The mainline additions are a fundamental change in these markets. DL has though added back as there are previous thread about these "mainline injections" coming back, mostly from ATL.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 12):
Why? The A319 is among the most comfortable narrowbody aircraft in the fleet. Would you prefer a CRJ? Or is this just the usual Airbus bashing we see in the DL threads?

I think he is lamenting the fact that CRW didn't get any mainline addition, and ROA did.

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 13):
I live in ROA by choice -- good quality of life, low cost of living and gorgeous scenery. A crewmember overnighting here will have the same or better type of hotel that's just minutes from the airport, is quiet, in a place where people are kind and considerate. There's no long waiting for the shuttle bus, throngs of people or hordes of traffic. The air is clean and the views superb. It's good living, and crews will appreciate the change of pace. Heck, there's even a Shula's steakhouse at the airport Sheraton. Welcome, mainline DL!

I loved it there. I spent about 6 months traveling in and out of ROA / LYH. I was there from July-January. August-November were great months to be there. Big enough to have what you need but still had the smaller town appeal. The mountain scenery was great, especially the fall colors. Plus as a frequent travel, the hotels had great customer service.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
There are often a CRJ flight post 10pm out of ATL and pre-6am inbound to ATL.

Most domestic flights ex ATL are gone by the big 2145, 2200, 2210, and 2230 pushes. Off the top of my head the ones (RJs) that are 2250 (off season/off peak) and 2300 are JAN, HSV, MGM, VPS, CHA, AGS, CAE.

Form mainline, MSY, PNS, TPA, MCO, FLL, JAX, CLT, RDU.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 10):
All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630

According to a DL pilot, this is not allowed per their contract.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 12):
Why? The A319 is among the most comfortable narrowbody aircraft in the fleet. Would you prefer a CRJ? Or is this just the usual Airbus bashing we see in the DL threads?

Judging by his name, I think he's pissed that ROA got mainline and not CRW although both schedules at current are near identical including enplanements.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Additional ATL upgauging:
GSO: Going from: 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 2x D95, 2x M88, 73W To: 1x CRJ, 1x CR7, 6x M88
FAY: DC-9-50 upgauged to MD88
MOB: Going from 7x CRJ, 1x A319, 1x MD88; To: 6x CRJ, 1x A319, 2x DC-9-50

Gets even better in OCT for GSO..

GSO: 1x CR7, 2x DC9, 6x MD88

[Edited 2012-07-10 21:04:14]
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
AVL: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012)

I love AVL. good for them!

Asheville is a very beautiful town.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:44 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):

THANK GOD for this Asheville flight.... I always dread connecting from a 77L LAX-ATL to a CRJ ATL-AVL... I always feel a little cheated when I purchase a Business Class ticket and then connect to a CRJ as the Y fares are not cheap any time of the year between AVL and LAX.

I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

Anyway, great for Delta!!!!!!!!
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:17 am

Great news all around.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs .
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
The layovers mostly appear to be set-up so the crew just spend the night and fly the same plane back in the morning. Most are 10-12 hours, so they most likely won't be spending "all day" there.

There is actually quite a nice Hilton up the road in AVL and having a night at Lexington Avenue Brewery or Wedge never did anyone too much harm!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
I love AVL. good for them!

Asheville is a very beautiful town.
Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):
THANK GOD for this Asheville flight.... I always dread connecting from a 77L LAX-ATL to a CRJ ATL-AVL... I always feel a little cheated when I purchase a Business Class ticket and then connect to a CRJ as the Y fares are not cheap any time of the year between AVL and LAX.

I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

Anyway, great for Delta!!!!!!!!

Here here PHX and AirAfreak. Coming from LHR to ATL or DTW and being on a small CRJ for the last bit was always a struggle.

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:40 am

I think these are going to be good markets for the 717.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):
I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

1995, to be exact. A lot of these markets all lost DL mainline on the same day.

[Edited 2012-07-11 05:31:57]
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:46 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 21):
1995, to be exact. A lot of these markets all lost DL mainline on the same day.

What was the deciding factor that happened back then?
What were they previously operating then?
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:01 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
What was the deciding factor that happened back then?
What were they previously operating then?

At the time, places like AVL, CHA, MGM, and PFN were receiving a combination of EV service on EMB-120s and ATR-72s, and DL mainline on MD-80s. DL dropped many of them on the same day in December 1995 in favor of EV's BAe ("Bring another engine") 146s once they entered the fleet.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 1):
It would be great to see DL come back into some midwest markets with the same idea..FWA, SBN and other similar sized markets. Some the airport is far enough out of town that the potential complaints of a DC9 would be nil.(tho any A nut in those cites would be camped out as close to the runways as possible!)

Don't forget... FWA is a MX base for Pinnacle so there will still be CRJ trips for RON MX there.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
Waffle House, Denny's, etc are always around. Not great, but they'll do.

Don't forget Pal's!

FlyPNS1 is right - there is always something open although I'm not sure if these even would be layover cities. Depends on where their crew hotel would be, I guess. Johnson City, TN, near TRI, is a university town and you'd better believe there are food choices open very late!
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 25):
Johnson City, TN, near TRI, is a university town and you'd better believe there are food choices open very late!

I would imagine that Bristol, TN, being a NASCAR city would be the same way.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs  .

Actually, the senior people will know them well because we flew to most of these places at one time. My bet is (for domestic trips) they go senior. We had many commuters from a lot of these places.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
ILM is getting quite the upgrade. Serious question... Is there some event, seasonal upswing or economic boom going on? US has run mainline there for years, so I don't see DL having any problem making this work.

ILM has had a pretty large film industry presence for years. I haven't been down there since 2006, but it was a big deal back then. Maybe that is getting larger and driving growth in the region. It is also a growing sun bird/retirement destination. More quaint than the MYR area.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):

I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

Back when I hired on with DL in '71, AVL and CHA were both mainline cities (of course, there was nothing BUT mainline back then). IIRC, the only service to AVL on DL was thru ORD.......with stops in SDF and TYS.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 27):
Actually, the senior people will know them well because we flew to most of these places at one time. My bet is (for domestic trips) they go senior. We had many commuters from a lot of these places.

I think it'll come down to how the trips are built but yeah, I'll have to agree.

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):
I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

Most of these cities has not seen mainline service for the better part of 10 years. Much longer in some cases. Places like AGS (always got mainline during the Masters), VPS, TYS, GSP, HSV, GTR, MOB etc. only recently started getting mainline "injections" again over the past 2 or so years. TYS had been all CR2 for a very long time until Pinnacle came to Atlanta and DL started sending a single CR9 for the late evening/early morning turn. Same this with GSP. VPS was always a big ASA station getting CR7s back when it was all one class as well as CR2s. ATRs would regularly sub for the CR7s. HSV has always been off again on again mainline but i'd say around 2009 or 2010 it became very regular. GTR was CR2 haven. MOB was all CR2s until about mid-late 2010. Then they started to get a late afternoon CR7 turn.

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 30):
Same this with GSP. VPS was always a big ASA station getting CR7s back when it was all one class as well as CR2s. ATRs would regularly sub for the CR7s. HSV has always been off again on again mainline but i'd say around 2009 or 2010 it became very regular. GTR was CR2 haven. MOB was all CR2s until about mid-late 2010. Then they started to get a late afternoon CR7 turn.

Particularly with respect to the places that are further west, several got NW mainline up to very close to the merger. In the 2005-2006 time frame, for instance, VPS had at least a couple of DC-9 flights to MEM.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 19):
Here here PHX and AirAfreak. Coming from LHR to ATL or DTW and being on a small CRJ for the last bit was always a struggle.

I do know what you're talking about, coming from NRT to LAX on a 330 then transitioning to a CRJ to PHX is no fun  
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 23):

Add 737-200 (and possibly other series) to that list for Asheville =]
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:39 pm

DL removed mainline service in December 1994 from AVL...Only US had mainline until right after September 11, 2001...then FL did briefly...Great to see DL Mainline back to AVL.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:41 pm

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RE: DL Mainline Returns To AVL, CHA, ROA, TRI, ILM

Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):
I think he is lamenting the fact that CRW didn't get any mainline addition, and ROA did.
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
Judging by his name, I think he's pissed that ROA got mainline and not CRW although both schedules at current are near identical including enplanements.

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):
THANK GOD for this Asheville flight.... I always dread connecting from a 77L LAX-ATL to a CRJ ATL-AVL... I always feel a little cheated when I purchase a Business Class ticket and then connect to a CRJ as the Y fares are not cheap any time of the year between AVL and LAX.

I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

Anyway, great for Delta!!!!!!!!

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:28 pm

Quoting PI734 (Reply 34):
DL removed mainline service in December 1994 from AVL...Only US had mainline until right after September 11, 2001...then FL did briefly...Great to see DL Mainline back to AVL.

DL dropped mainline to AVL in December 1995. US dropped mainline in September 2002.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 30):
VPS, TYS, GSP, HSV, GTR, MOB etc. only recently started getting mainline "injections" again over the past 2 or so years. TYS had been all CR2 for a very long time until Pinnacle came to Atlanta and DL started sending a single CR9 for the late evening/early morning turn. Same this with GSP.

HSV has always had DL Mainline metal for longer than 2 years.

TYS and GSP are MX bases for Pinnacle, hence why a 900 was going there each night; and staying for most of the morning!
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:01 pm

I don't think SBN is that far behind in getting mainline back, especially to ATL.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 40):
I don't think SBN is that far behind in getting mainline back, especially to ATL

I think you'd see it on DTW if anything as CRJs start to go away. DTW-SBN is 6x CRJ, ATL-SBN is 3x CRJ.
 
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RE: DL Mainline Returns To AVL, CHA, ROA, TRI, ILM

Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:41 pm

I don't think ROA has ever had DL mainline. So ROA isn't a return, but, start mainline service. Yay ROA, my hometown. I can remember 50 mainline flights a day from PI in ROA.

So now ROA will have DL and G4 mainline.

BTW: US last served ROA mainline until right after 9/11.

I might make a trip ROA just to fly in on the mainline flight.  
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 30):
Places like AGS (always got mainline during the Masters), VPS, TYS, GSP, HSV, GTR, MOB etc. only recently started getting mainline "injections" again over the past 2 or so years.

VPS has seen mainline injections for most of the past 6 years...primarily during peak periods (Spring/Summer).

Up until about 2002, MOB was all mainline with about 7x daily to ATL (mix of 727/MD88) plus 2x daily to DFW. There was also an occasional MOB-BHM-ATL flight too.

PNS (which of course has stayed mainline all along because of FL competition) is now seeing upgauges as DC9's and MD88's get bumped up to MD90's and the return of a daily 757 in September.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 31):
In the 2005-2006 time frame, for instance, VPS had at least a couple of DC-9 flights to MEM.

VPS was an abnormally strong NW station with 3x daily DC9 service to MEM until about 2006....even though all the markets around it (PNS, MOB, PFN) only got CRJ's to MEM (and SF340's before that).
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:26 am

SBN-DTW was mainline on North Central pre-deregulation on DC9's and CV-580's and Northwest used the same combinations after merging with Republic. Delta does have plans to utilize the 717's in DTW and I can definitely see them utilizing the aircraft on SBN-DTW just like they use mainline on ND home football weekends.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:06 am

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 39):
HSV has always had DL Mainline metal for longer than 2 years.

Yup..

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 30):
HSV has always been off again on again mainline

Would always get DL in the summer monthsbut would go back to all EV/OH. First time, at least as far as i've seen, that HSV has some sort of DL mainline year round. Maybe 2007 or 2008.
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RE: DL Mainline Returns To AVL, CHA, ROA, TRI, ILM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:07 am

Since the announcement that DL is starting ATL with mainline aircraft, this got me to wondering if DL's mainline service is ROA's first addition of mainline service from a network carrier since Piedmont added CLT and BWI in the early 80's? 30 years since the addition of mainline on a network carrier?

wow

ok, I am not listing G4, and truly, G4's MD-80s are a beautiful site in the valley. But, they are really a specialty carrier, and they know that, God love 'em for it. But set that aside...

Unless I have missed something (probably have), Piedmont was the last carrier to add mainline service to ROA and that was 30 years ago, in the old terminal.

Is this right?
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 1):
It would be great to see DL come back into some midwest markets with the same idea..FWA, SBN and other similar sized markets. Some the airport is far enough out of town that the potential complaints of a DC9 would be nil.(tho any A nut in those cites would be camped out as close to the runways as possible!)

Id like to see mainline come back to CID. We used to have mainline DC9 and also ARJ service with NWA to MSP. Would be nice to see some upgrades with mainline ot at least CR7/CR9 service.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal.

If the crews overnighting in ROA are staying at Hotel Roanoke, they will have TONS of options for dining and entertainment. The downtown area has many great restaurants and coffee shops, a beautiful new art museum, a farmers market almost daily in the summer, and many live music events and festivals. While it's not a huge city, I think a RON here at a downtown location would be very enjoyable.
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RE: DL Mainline Returns To AVL, CHA, ROA, TRI, ILM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 46):

Unless I have missed something (probably have), Piedmont was the last carrier to add mainline service to ROA and that was 30 years ago, in the old terminal.


actually Eastern Airlines

ATL-ROA
ROA-ATL

DC-9

22 years ago
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