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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:44 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLIX

"Tribute to Mexicana de Aviacion in Central America"

The most emblematic Mexican airline operating in Central America suspended their commercial operations back in 2010.
According to the source wikipedia, Mexicana de Aviacion did serve Guatemala City since the 30s, adding new regional stations later. Having said that, during their last years the airline operated in Guatemala City, San Salvador, Panama City and San Jose allowing direct flights to Mexico City; MX SJO-CUN was active for a while. Most of the mentioned routes have been overtaken by Aero Mexico at this time.
Equipment utilized in Central America: 727, 318 and 320. I couldn’t find further info concerning to their older planes flying to the isthmus in the past.








Edited on July 10th, 2012
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:47 am

thanks for the new thread! Good work as always....
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
thanks for the new thread

It's always a pleasure. Everyone get ready for the coming 50th edition !      




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Back to the commercial aviation, the announced UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly would complement the existing TA SAL-IAD service.
We have been saying for years about how necessary is a new flight linking SAL-IAD, in order to exploit better the code-share agreement between UA and TA.
UA is taking the initiative considering the shortage of more flights deployed by TA in that sector.
Their mutual schedules should be re-timed to benefit the transferring of passengers at SAL and even IAD.
It's widely known about the sizeable O&D traffic heading to Washington area from Guatemala City and San Salvador; however this new service should be oriented to O&D and in-transit passengers, in similar proportions.
This movement seems to be pursued by Star Alliance and I also expect further frequencies to Chicago, San Francisco and even Denver in the future from many Central American stations: GUA, SAL, SJO and PTY.

Loaded schedule:

UA 1660..........IAD 09:15...........SAL 13:10............Daily
UA 1716..........SAL 14:00..........IAD 19:19.............Daily
Effective: December 19th

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:30 am

Mexicana have a nice run in Central American, I remember they operated sometime their DC10 to Guatemala, I also love to see those 727. They also server with Mexicana Link CUN-GUA-CUN in a CRJ200 before they shut down.

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
UA 1660..........IAD 09:15...........SAL 13:10............Daily
UA 1716..........SAL 14:00..........IAD 19:19.............Daily
Effective: December 19th

Doesn't TA already fly IAD-SAL in the morning?
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:26 am

The flight arrives exactly at the midday bank. Excellent for connections.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 4):
Doesn't TA already fly IAD-SAL in the morning?

Current San Salvador - Washington Dulles service on TACA:

TA 591.....IAD 04:58........SAL 07:28.......Daily
TA 581.....IAD 11:18........SAL 13:53.......Daily
TA 583.....IAD 15:50........SAL 18:30.......Tu, Th, Sa

TA 582.....SAL 08:25.......IAD 14:45........Tu, Th, Sa
TA 580.....SAL 14:57.......IAD 21:22........Daily
TA 590....SAL 19:50.......IAD 02:15+1....Daily

That's why I said all the IAD-SAL flights might be re-timed.
In my view, one plane leaving out of IAD late at night, RON at SAL and returning daily to IAD early in the morning is the most feasible choice.




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Quoting juanchito (Reply 3):
Mexicana Link CUN-GUA-CUN in a CRJ200 before they shut down

Correct. InterJet also flew the GUA-CUN sector for a little while back; thrice a week if I recall correctly.

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:59 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 5):
The flight arrives exactly at the midday bank. Excellent for connections.


Arrive to IAD for some little International connections

KWI Kuwait UA 982 United Airlines 10:00 PM 777-200
FRA Frankfurt UA 932 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
LHR London UA 924 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
DUB Dublin UA 126 United Airlines 10:02 PM 757-200
MUC Munich LH 415 Lufthansa 10:05 PM A330-300
GRU Sao Paulo UA 861 United Airlines 10:08 PM 777-200
MAN Manchester UA 100 United Airlines 10:16 PM 757-200

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Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:22 am

Plus some domestic connections aswell. And also, not many passengers can connect on UA's flight from SAL because the plane leaves right when the wave of TA planes start to arrive.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:23 pm

The big PTY airport parking business in Spanish, from www.prensa.com
Yet another scandal related to Tocumen, S.A. state owned airport management company.
The airport company expects the concessionaire to built a USD10 million structure for extra airport parking.
Still, PTY has a severe lack of parking and now this.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
Current San Salvador - Washington Dulles service on TACA:

TA 591.....IAD 04:58........SAL 07:28.......Daily
TA 581.....IAD 11:18........SAL 13:53.......Daily
TA 583.....IAD 15:50........SAL 18:30.......Tu, Th, Sa

TA 582.....SAL 08:25.......IAD 14:45........Tu, Th, Sa
TA 580.....SAL 14:57.......IAD 21:22........Daily
TA 590....SAL 19:50.......IAD 02:15+1....Daily

UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly will be operated with 738.




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Quoting juanchito (Reply 7):
KWI Kuwait UA 982 United Airlines 10:00 PM 777-200
FRA Frankfurt UA 932 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
LHR London UA 924 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
DUB Dublin UA 126 United Airlines 10:02 PM 757-200
MUC Munich LH 415 Lufthansa 10:05 PM A330-300
GRU Sao Paulo UA 861 United Airlines 10:08 PM 777-200
MAN Manchester UA 100 United Airlines 10:16 PM 757-200

UA SAL-IAD or TA SAL-IAD may be a new gateway to Europe and sponsored by Star Alliance.
TA SAL-MIA was code-sharing with LH in order to link LH MIA-FRA.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:35 am

anyone take notice of NK's foray into IAH......anyone think NK will beat WN to the punch on some IAH-C. American routes   
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:09 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
anyone take notice of NK's foray into IAH......anyone think NK will beat WN to the punch on some IAH-C. American routes

While WN waits and waits for a whole new concourse with Port-of-Entry at HOU, NK could beat WN if it gets HOU to convert one existing gate to an international gate enough area for F:I.S.
But I don't think NK would go head to head with UA at IAH, unless it's to destinations no longer flown by UA.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
UA SAL-IAD or TA SAL-IAD may be a new gateway to Europe and sponsored by Star Alliance.

Great news for those who don't mind going thru U.S. immigrations/customs when connecting international-international a a U.S. airport and/or those who don't need visas for the U.S.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):
But I don't think NK would go head to head with UA at IAH, unless it's to destinations no longer flown by UA.

NK announced IAH-DFW
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:14 pm

With B6 announcing JFK/BOS-GCM......one destination is (presumably left) if my pajarito is correct.....

Will it be PTY or ANU?
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
Will it be PTY or ANU?

B6 BOS-PTY w/CM code-share?
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:02 pm

Unfortunately, my dreams of B6 coming to GUA become smaller every second  
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
With B6 announcing JFK/BOS-GCM......one destination is (presumably left)

AZS was also announced, was it not? 1) CTG, 2) AZS, 3) GCM, so is that it for now, or will there be a fourth?
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:22 pm

Both COPA and LAN are aggressively seeking to employ ex-Pluna pilots. COPA is hoping to poach up to 60 ex-Pluna pilots for its upcoming expansion plans.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Both COPA and LAN are aggressively seeking to employ ex-Pluna pilots. COPA is hoping to poach up to 60 ex-Pluna pilots for its upcoming expansion plans.

Interesting development. More interesting is the fact that the Persian Gulf and Indian airlines didn't rush to Uruguay as PU was in its final days to try to get Uruguayan pilots.
Do any of those former PU pilots are B737 or E190 certified?
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
Interesting development. More interesting is the fact that the Persian Gulf and Indian airlines didn't rush to Uruguay as PU was in its final days to try to get Uruguayan pilots.

Well, LA saw the writing on the wall before PU suspended all flights. PU used to operate up to 28 weekly flights into SCL from MVD and 5 weekly flights into CCP before it collapsed. So they are very familiar with flying with-in Chile.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
Do any of those former PU pilots are B737 or E190 certified?

Besides the CRJs, PU has pilots certified on the B737, B757 and B767.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 17):
AZS was also announced, was it not? 1) CTG, 2) AZS, 3) GCM, so is that it for now, or will there be a fourth?

thats three, but there were some very very good and multiple sources on PTY being chosen. Maybe something happened at the last minute.

The airline business is strange...remember DL and the NBO experience...the plane was a the gate to depart on the inaugural and they pulled the plug....
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:00 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
thats three, but there were some very very good and multiple sources on PTY being chosen. Maybe something happened at the last minute.

Hope that CM and its owners being at odds with PTY airport state-owned management company and our country president has nothing to do with that.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:55 pm

I ask myself if GUA was on the line. GUA desperately needs a flight to the North East aside from the 1x weekly UA flight to EWR!
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 23):
I ask myself if GUA was on the line. GUA desperately needs a flight to the North East aside from the 1x weekly UA flight to EWR!

Didn't TA try and fail at JFK-GUA?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:36 pm

Skytrax Awards 2012:

Best Staff Service in Central America / Caribbean - TACA Airlines
Best Airline in Central America / Caribbean - TACA Airlines

[Edited 2012-07-13 12:41:44]
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:53 pm

TA downsized their operations in GUA a few years ago when they axed IAD, BZE, MGA, CUN and JFK. This was largely due to them wanting to focus in centralizing SAL, as almost all routes out of GUA were being served from SAL.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 25):
Skytrax Awards 2012:

Best Staff Service in Central America / Caribbean - TACA Airlines
Best Airline in Central America / Caribbean - TACA Airlines

Is that third year in a row?
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:34 pm

IB to add a 5th MAD-PTY from www.prensa.com in Spanish
Spanish airline IB will increase its frequencies to PTY from 4 to 5 per week.
The La Prensa news-piece doesn't say if it'll be permanent or summer-only.
It seems the new IB-CM code-share on the MAD-PTY route is already showing IB the route potential.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 23):
GUA desperately needs a flight to the North East aside from the 1x weekly UA flight to EWR!

Perhaps it's rather derived from the shortage of the demand of passengers heading to Guatemala.
B6 never launched the commented JFK-GUA service. DL JFK-GUA also failed catastrophically back in 2008 and TACA doesn't fly the GUA-JFK non-stop segment anymore.




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Quoting mt99 (Reply 27):
Is that third year in a row?

TACA wins the Skytrax for the fourth consecutive year related to the best airline from Central America and the Caribbean. Great credit for TACA !
What would it happen once TACA and AVIANCA are integrated using one only commercial brand ?
AVIANCA: the best airline from Central America and the Caribbean ?  
TACA only flies to Havana and Santo Domingo into the Caribbean with very limited weekly frequencies. Nonetheless, it's once again the best regional airline there.

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Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:48 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
there were some very very good and multiple sources on PTY being chosen

Hope to see PTY and BZE make the cut next time.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
TACA only flies to Havana and Santo Domingo into the Caribbean with very limited weekly frequencies. Nonetheless, it's once again the best regional airline there

Go figure.
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:41 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 28):
The La Prensa news-piece doesn't say if it'll be permanent or summer-only

IB MAD-PTY 5x weekly goes back to 4x weekly on October 30th.
Source: amadeus.net

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Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
TACA only flies to Havana and Santo Domingo into the Caribbean with very limited weekly frequencies. Nonetheless, it's once again the best regional airline there.

BZE and Roatan do no qualify as "Caribbean"?

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 30):
Go figure.

Qatar Airlines do not serve every destination in the world.. yet the are number #1

PTY was selected as #1 in Central America yer It doesn't even have seats at the gate... Figure that one!
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 32):
BZE and Roatan do no qualify as "Caribbean"?

Technically no...They qualify as much as Costa Rica does.

However the cultural ties are much stronger between the Caribbean and RTB /BZE
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 32):
BZE and Roatan do no qualify as "Caribbean"?

Reminds me of someone asking whether the pickles in his cheeseburger counted as a dietary serving of vegetables.
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 34):
Reminds me of someone asking whether the pickles in his cheeseburger counted as a dietary serving of vegetables.

And what did they respond to you?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:10 am

I've been reading so far on this board about the possible expansion in Central America offered by jetBlue in the near future and nothing is happening yet.
The real fact is that their relative new services supplied in Costa Rica don't equate to any spread of B6 in the rest of the isthmus. Same with Frontier Airlines.
Let's see whether the coming new hub placed in San Juan, Puerto Rico would consider any Central American station later or not.




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Quoting mt99 (Reply 32):
BZE and Roatan do no qualify as "Caribbean"?

TACA is steadily flying to San Andres Island, Colombia twice a week transporting passengers heading to Decameron Resorts by means of charter services out of SJO exclusively.
I don't think this group had been qualified in the analysis commanded by Skytrax.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:26 am

More news on TACA:

Cali and Medellin will be experiencing non-stop flights out of LIM soon:

TA 146.....LIM 10:25..........MDE 13:35........Mo, We, Fr
TA 147.....MDE 17:45........LIM 20:55..........Mo, We, Fr
Effective: August 23

TA 148.....LIM 10:25..........CLO 13:13.........Tu, Th, Sa
TA 149.....CLO 18:07........LIM 20:55...........Tu, Th, Sa
Effective: August 23

The existing TA LIM-UIO-MDE and TA LIM-GYE-CLO would keep their current services.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:47 pm

Does anyone recall how far in advance CM makes route announcements? For example, Dec launch would dictate announcement when? July?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 38):
Dec launch would dictate announcement when?

September has been their month of choice for the last couple of years (MTY, SXM) and has also happened as early as mid–June (ASU, CUC, ORD) although that was timed to coincide with the fifth anniversary of their listing on the NYSE.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 39):
September has been their month of choice for the last couple of years (MTY, SXM)

I need to go to CTG in Feb and PTY in Mar and hoping to be able to do in from BZE on CM
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 40):
need to go to CTG in Feb and PTY in Mar and hoping to be able to do in from BZE on CM

I would suggest a novena to St. Jude Thaddeus, the patron saint of causas difíciles — lol j/k. 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 41):
I would suggest a novena to St. Jude Thaddeus, the patron saint of causas difíciles — lol j/k. 

If you think that will put us over the top I am all for busting out the religious influence
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:56 pm

Any idea how the KX seasonal twice–weekly GCMPTY is doing? I wonder if the Cayman Islands Tourism Association and/or Department of Tourism are doing any promoção turística no mercado brasileiro or just relying entirely on wholesalers down there.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:56 pm

PTY North Concourse furniture bid declared void (again) from www.prensa.com in Spanish
Yet another time, the ready to use PTY Muelle Norte won't be seeing any major passenger and (CM) aircraft movements as the bid for the furniture needed was declared void by the now corruption-friendly state-owned Tocumen, INC.
6 months has passed and still this Panamanian regime doesn't give signs it's concerned and much worried the North Concourse gates can't be used.
If Panama's president has a problem with CM owners, keeping CM planes and passengers off the completed PTY North Concourse isn't the way to show his personal vendetta against the Mottas.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:40 pm

According to this article Copa is one of the 18 airline that have already comitted to the 737 MAX

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:18 pm

I am having trouble with the link from the The Wall Street Journal Americas

Quote:
Boeing, con sede en Chicago, se ha asegurado más de 1.200 pedidos y compromisos de 18 clientes para su modelo 737 Max, que entraría en servicio en 2017. Copa Airlines, con sede en Ciudad de Panamá, se encuentra entre los 18 clientes, indicó una de las fuentes. Pedidos de Aeroméxico y Gol podrían elevar el total a 20.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 46):
Boeing, con sede en Chicago, se ha asegurado más de 1.200 pedidos y compromisos de 18 clientes para su modelo 737 Max, que entraría en servicio en 2017. Copa Airlines, con sede en Ciudad de Panamá, se encuentra entre los 18 clientes, indicó una de las fuentes. Pedidos de Aeroméxico y Gol podrían elevar el total a 20.

Copa Airlines had already announced the optimization of its fleet in the short-term consisting in 83 planes by the end of the year including 10 brand new 738s featuring the "Boeing Sky interior."

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 47):
Copa Airlines had already announced the optimization of its fleet in the short-term consisting in 83 planes by the end of the year including 10 brand new 738s featuring the "Boeing Sky interior."

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Yes I know this is the 737-8MAX I am talking about. They could start receiving them in 2017 or 2018

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49

Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:03 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 48):
the 737-8MAX I am talking about

More precisely, the 737 MAX 8 variant.. more info.
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