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What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:11 am

With westjet regional launching in 2013 with Q400NextGen aircraft, what cities do you think they will serve from their main hubs in Calgary (YYC) and Toronto (YYZ)?
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting YYCspotter (Thread starter):
With westjet regional launching in 2013 with Q400NextGen aircraft, what cities do you think they will serve from their main hubs in Calgary (YYC) and Toronto (YYZ)?

Look at routes AC is currently operating with Jazz Dash 8s and CRJs that WS doesn't currently serve. That should give you a pretty good idea of potential WS Q400 markets.

I expect they will also be used quite extensively on current WS routes where demand doesn't warrant a 737 except at very low frequency which isn't attractive to business travellers.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:35 pm

Obviously this is speculation only, but I can say:

From YVR:
- Kelowna
- Kamloops
- Comox
- Victoria (?)
- Castlegar

From YYC:
- Edmonton
- Grand Prairie
- Saskatoon
- Regina
- Fort Mac


From YYZ:
- Thunder Bay
- Windsor
- London
- North Bay
- Sudbury


.... I'll let the rest fill in what they think...
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:46 pm

Logically, I can see YYJ-YYC -- with greater frequency. And a Q400 is way more comfortable than QK 's CR200s on the same route. I can also see a few on YXX-YYC and perhaps a return of YQQ-YYC service.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:53 pm

I heard on local news that YPA (Prince Albert, SK) is looking to attract WS service. I seriously question the demand for it though.
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:59 pm

LGA will be served during certain off-peak periods when a 737 is too much aircraft.. is what i understand
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:01 pm

From YYZ most likely would be
London
Windsor
Sudbury
Timmins
Sault Ste Marie
and possibly replacing/supplementing 737s to Thunder Bay

North Bay won't be on the early list, but may come eventually... maybe...
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:16 pm

I hope WS Express will fly YYC - SEA/PDX and maybe (but just maybe) YVR-SEA/PDX.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:59 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I hope WS Express will fly YYC - SEA/PDX and maybe (but just maybe) YVR-SEA/PDX.


Already covered by QX and QK . I don't know if there's enough market for a third entrant.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):
Already covered by QX and QK . I don't know if there's enough market for a third entrant.

True...But there will also be three airlines on the SEA-NRT route.

I really doubt the YVR connection, but I think WS Regional is possible out of YYC.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:33 am

I think you'll definitely see YYC-SEA
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:37 am

I know in some early articles about the WestJet Regional cited the fact that 'prairie capitals' weren't connected in the WestJet universe. IE. YWG-YQR was specifically cited. I could see YWG-YXE, YWG-YQR, an expansion of YWG-YQT, and the possible reintroduction of YWG-YTH (Thompson).

When they used to fly YWG-Thompson, and subsequently withdrew, the said the market was better served by smaller aircraft with more frequency than the WestJet 1X Daily flight.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:10 am

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 10):

I think so too. More flights to Seattle to access the cheaper transpac/US flights available in the states. I also see Winnipeg as a mini hub and a southern daily milk run, (both ways), from Victoria to Thunder Bay...and many, many points between.
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:16 am

I could see YYC-PDX/SEA
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:45 am

I'm going to throw YQL in... but not necessarily to YYC, more like the old Time Air/ Canadi>n Regional route: YQL, YLW, YVR.
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:32 am

Here's a dumb question...

What are Westjet's bases? Obviously YYC and YYZ, but is YVR a Westjet base? What about on the East coast?
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting vio (Reply 2):
From YVR:
- Kelowna
- Kamloops
- Comox
- Victoria (?)
- Castlegar

I'm not so sure about YCG, especially with it's tricky approaches and short runway, I don't think the Q400 would be able to fly into there.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 13):
I could see YYC-PDX/SEA

SEA is pretty much covered by AS and AC in the summer, but maybe having WS on that route might make those flights more competitive considering AS can get quite pricey sometimes.

I'm surprised one city that hasn't been mentioned is Cranbrook (YXC). Cranbrook has been pushing to bring WS to the area for quite a few years and now that the Q400 is coming, now's the chance for that to finally happen. If WS could fly YYC-YXC or YVR-YXC, than they could give AC a run for their money on a route that they pretty much own (over $500 to fly YYC-YXC round trip right now is an absolute rip off).
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:41 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):

I hope WS Express will fly YYC - SEA/PDX and maybe (but just maybe) YVR-SEA/PDX.

Not liking the current Horizon service?
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:06 pm

Some stateside thoughts.

I'd think perhaps YYZ-ORD since WS operates ORD from YVR and YYC, and also YYZ-EWR since WS serves
EWR from YYC.
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:23 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 18):
YYZ-EWR since WS serves
EWR from YYC.

WS already flies YYZ-LGA numerous times a day, it doesn't make sense to also start service in EWR. Isn't EWR farther away from downtown New York than LGA is?
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:49 pm

I am going to throw this out there and say YYC-DEN it's a fair distance but the Q400 is capable.

YVR-YCG ( a big NEGATIVE)
YVR-YYJ ( doubtful)
YVR-YLW-YQL (doubtful)
YVR- YXC, YKA, YLW, YXS (likely as point to point or through flights)
YVR-YPR, YXT, YXJ, YQQ, YBL , YYE, SEA, PDX, GEG, SMF ( new city candidates)

Thinking YKA-YEG may be reintroduced with flight carrying onto YMM

YYC-YEG, YQU, YQR, YXE (likely)
YYC-YMM, YLW, YKA ( additional added frequencies to current offerings with multiple segments vs single B737 aircraft)
YYC-DEN, SEA, PDX, SLC, GEG , BOI , YXJ, YXS, (new routes)

YWG-YXE, YQR, MSP, YTH, YQT

YYZ- MSP, DET, DCA, BOS, CVG, MDW, ACY, NYC, RDU, HPN limitless possibilities...
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 19):
Isn't EWR farther away from downtown New York than LGA is?

If measured by the amount on the taxi meter, then it really doesn't make much difference.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting vio (Reply 15):
but is YVR a Westjet base?

They have a whole wing of the airport. It certainly qualifies as a focus city.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I hope WS Express will fly YYC - SEA/PDX and maybe (but just maybe) YVR-SEA/PDX

Yeah, me too, but as others have pointed out is AS doesn't like to give much here in the Pacific NW, and WS would likely have to enter a lengthy pissing match with QX & AC to retain a decent slice of the market share.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 13):
I could see YYC-PDX/SEA

Oddly, YYC-PDX doesn't have a direct contender, maybe like NK did recently, they begin with OR & WA services, starting in PDX, maybe it'll be easier and more welcoming than a battle on any other route. If it works add some more flights.
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting ykaops (Reply 20):
YYC-DEN, SEA, PDX, SLC, GEG , BOI , YXJ, YXS, (new routes)

That's a bit of a risky gamble flying non-stop routes into Washington and Oregon, especially with the large presence of AS there. My guess is WS will probably focus on the smaller cities within Canada first before expanding south of the border.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 24):
My guess is WS will probably focus on the smaller cities within Canada first before expanding south of the border.

I dont think WS focus is necessarily "smaller" communities per se, to some degree yes, but with 40 Q400's, I think they would be utlizing them more to open new opportunity, particularily South of the 49th and operate the thinner routes the B737 is too large for.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 19):
WS already flies YYZ-LGA numerous times a day, it doesn't make sense to also start service in EWR. Isn't EWR farther away from downtown New York than LGA is?

Manhattan is smack dab in middle between EWR and LGA. People living south of midtown usually will lean towards EWR. While people living in north of midtown will tend to lean towards LGA. But really comes down to ticket cost and type of traveler for them to select between JFK,EWR or LGA.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:02 pm

Looks like Jazz just exercised some options on more Q400 aircraft,not that I imagine this has anything to to with WS.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/can...xtgen-airliners-2012-07-12-8173244
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 6):

I question the idea of serving London (YYZ). For one, it is a 2 hour drive to YYZ who are going to YHZ/YYT. I'd say for sure YUL (off-peak), YGK (then again Kingston is about equal distance between YUL). US destinations may include smaller cities with good pax traffic (ORD, LGA, ROC, MCI).

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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:19 pm

Since it looks like WS is unwilling to specify which hub (YYC/YYZ?) they're to initially start ops from, let me chuck in my 2 cents: It'll most certainly be YYZ the first year and then YYC the next (or later). Why? 1) Frequency is king in the East. 2) Population, i.e. there are more "medium" sized cities to serve out East that are too small for the 737 than in the West. 3) "If you can't beat them, join them" with respect to the glut of DH8D's flying in the East; they'll most certainly replace a lot of the triangle flying (YOW/YUL/YYZ). 4) LaGuardia.    5) Where can WS 'hurt' AC more? YYZ.
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:22 pm

I hope we see them into BDL and PVD. And hell, if somebody can suggest HPN, I can suggest ISP!  
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 28):
US destinations may include smaller cities with good pax traffic (ORD,

"Smaller" cities???? ORD??
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 24):
My guess is WS will probably focus on the smaller cities within Canada first before expanding south of the border.

My thoughts as well. All the communications surround the regional carrier is that it will target "neglected domestic markets" first, while serving existing routes. If WS has aspirations to go long-haul, then the correct strategy would to sew up the domestic market first to create adequate feed to its hubs. I don't doubt that we will see the Q400 on transborder routes eventually, I just don't think it will be a priority.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 28):
I question the idea of serving London
AC/QKs current schedule is all I will say... 3/4x Q400, 7/8x DH8A, every weekday.
Yes it's only 2 hours down the 401, but it's none-the-less a very active route.

YGK maybe but it's not a very heavy route either, DH8A and B19D for AC, 6x, though that is better than North Bay. I tend to think that unless Jazz has Q400s going there, I don't think WS would have them at high priority either.

For the US i won't hoist any but BOS, PVD, BDL, PHL, BWI, DCA, EWR, JFK, DTW, ORD... all possibilities.

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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:34 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 33):

YGK was always one of the fullest B1900 routes out of YYZ. Places like Sarnia, Providence, Westchester, and others were not. Single digit pax loads. The YYZ-YGK-YYZ flight was often full or nearly full. You've got Dupont/Invista there as well as Queens University (wealthy kids flying home on dad's dime).
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:42 pm

Given the code-share relationship with DL, might we see them add YYC-SLC or YYC-MSP? Delta already serves both routes, but could it happen?
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:32 pm

How about reintroduction of flights to Edmonton Municipal?
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:41 pm

I know that neither of them are Westjet hubs, but for me, YOW/YUL-YHM/YXU/YKF makes a lot of sense. More than pretty much any new route out of YYZ.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:42 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 36):
How about reintroduction of flights to Edmonton Municipal?

Hahahahaha, no way that happens.

Although in an alternate reality it would be really cool.
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:56 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 36):
How about reintroduction of flights to Edmonton Municipal?

Not permitted and YXD is, sadly, due to close in the next couple of years, to be replaced by this:
http://www.edmonton.ca/city_governme...re-airport-land-redevelopment.aspx
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:12 am

Could we see YYZ-ATL? It's a long shot, I know, but it would compete with QK and DL's existing service.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:52 pm

Is that not a bit long of a route for the Q it 749 mi according to circle mapper I know QX does longer routes but ATL does not see much props.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 40):
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 40):
Could we see YYZ-ATL?

In a Q400 turboprop ?

Seriously ?
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting baje427 (Reply 41):
I know QX does longer routes but ATL does not see much props.

Yeah, I do SEA-BIL / BIL-SEA all the time on Horizon.

But YYZ-ATL seems . . . longer somehow.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:00 pm

YYZ-ATL would be crazy on the Q400. DL would fare match and Westjet would be dead in the water trying to run Q400s against CR7s and E17xs.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 34):
YGK was always one of the fullest B1900 routes out of YYZ. Places like Sarnia, Providence, Westchester, and others were not. Single digit pax loads. The YYZ-YGK-YYZ flight was often full or nearly full. You've got Dupont/Invista there as well as Queens University (wealthy kids flying home on dad's dime)

University traffic is a low premium and is very sporadic. I'm sticking to Windsor, London, Sudbury, Timmins, Sault Ste Marie, Thunder Bay from Pearson, at least until they get the service up and are looking for "phase 2+" expansion.
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting Infiniti329 (Reply 26):
People living south of midtown usually will lean towards EWR. While people living in north of midtown will tend to lean towards LGA

Not at all correct. Please refer to the numerous topics on here devoted to EWR vs LGA/JFK.
 
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RE: What Cities Will Westjet Regional Serve?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:29 pm

What about US routes from YYZ perhaps YYZ-IAD,YYZ-BOS,YYZ-PHL would they be able to get these flights to work?