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B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:25 pm

B6 will launch JFK-GCM 3x weekly starting on November 15TH. B6 will also operate BOS-GCM on a weekly basis starting on November 17TH.

JetBlue Airways Announces 23rd Caribbean Destination: Grand Cayman in the Cayman Islands
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:33 pm

B6 just keeps pumping out the destinations! I'm glad their expanding so much. Is theJFK route going to be operated by a E190 and an a320?
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

Both flights will operate with the A-320s.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

Both flights will operate with the A-320s.

That's what I expected. Cool! Another new vacation idea!
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
Both flights will operate with the A-320s.

You couldn't get there with an E-190, could you?
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:12 pm

I see the 3x/weekly frequency from JFK quickly expanding to daily service. New Yorkers will fill this plane up every day over the winter. I bet it could sustain daily service over the summer too.

Great to see B6 continue to expand in the Caribbean. All these routes are bread and butter cash cows.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 4):
You couldn't get there with an E-190, could you?

JFK-GCM is only a few miles more than JFK-AUS. The E190 can definitely do JFK-GCM.
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 5):

Definitely maybe it's because of plane shortage? Or are they just being really cautious? Either way I could imagine them going along with FLL and/or MCO-GCM too. Hopefully once the new runway is done jetBlue could finally give Spirit a run for their money in FLL on international routes.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting Jonathanxxxx (Reply 7):
Definitely maybe it's because of plane shortage? Or are they just being really cautious? Either way I could imagine them going along with FLL and/or MCO-GCM too. Hopefully once the new runway is done jetBlue could finally give Spirit a run for their money in FLL on international routes.

Doesn't B6 also have to compete with Cayman Airways on the route? Maybe they want to see how they can compete before they throw all their eggs in one basket.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):

Well, IMO with the name value B6 has in NYC their new routes to CTG, AZS and now GCM should all do well and should see increases. Especially GCM because it is a much larger market than the other two. But you're right they should try the market a bit but they will be able to compete and thrive on this route.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):
Doesn't B6 also have to compete with Cayman Airways on the route? Maybe they want to see how they can compete before they throw all their eggs in one basket.

They certainly will be competing with KX, who have been serving the market for about 4 years now with a 4x weekly rotation.

Interestingly, B6 is also introducing a weekly rotation from BOS. KX served that market from 2003-05 with a 2x weekly rotation but abandoned due to poor loads.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting N312RM (Reply 10):
Interestingly, B6 is also introducing a weekly rotation from BOS. KX served that market from 2003-05 with a 2x weekly rotation but abandoned due to poor loads.

But B6 in BOS can also pull on the transfer pax coming from places like SYR, ROC, BUF, ORD, PIT, BWI, DCA, IAD, RIC (quite a few can also go through JFK too, but there are tranfer capabilities). Not saying all of those options are perfect, but they exist.
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:53 pm

Finally! welcome B6!

Quoting N312RM (Reply 10):
They certainly will be competing with KX, who have been serving the market for about 4 years now with a 4x weekly rotation.

Interestingly, B6 is also introducing a weekly rotation from BOS. KX served that market from 2003-05 with a 2x weekly rotation but abandoned due to poor loads.

Also US flew from BOS on Saturdays during winter period, stopped I think over a year ago. BOS will have pull, and if AA codeshare, maybe get more pull of PAX onto flights.

I would of thought though the E190 would be more suited for higher frequencies and loads. With B6 operating some days that KX fly (to JFK), this may be a hit for KX as B6 have more connections and "better IFE" with the Live TV. If prices are similar, then we could see more loss for KX

edit: looks like only Saturday will be same days they fly, so perhaps good ideas from B6 for operating on other days KX do.....

[Edited 2012-07-12 15:54:59]
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 12):
and "better IFE" with the Live TV.

Not really. Most flights heading down to the Caribbean from JFK and BOS are way out over the Atlantic, outside the range of the DirecTV satellites...XM too. 3 or 4 movie channels will be available though.
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 13):

JFK and Bos to gcm will have direct tv service almost to touchdown in gcm. The flight will be routed down the AR's well within the coverage area. That said, movies will be free on these flights.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:13 am

Excellent news - more competition might bring the fares down a little!
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 13):
ot really. Most flights heading down to the Caribbean from JFK and BOS are way out over the Atlantic, outside the range of the DirecTV satellites...XM too. 3 or 4 movie channels will be available though.

Cayman is not that far from the Yucatan....so you should have service at least to Key West....
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting N757ST (Reply 14):
JFK and Bos to gcm will have direct tv service almost to touchdown in gcm. The flight will be routed down the AR's well within the coverage area. That said, movies will be free on these flights.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Cayman is not that far from the Yucatan....so you should have service at least to Key West....
GCM is a lovely tool, however it does not take into consideration how an airline chooses to travel all the time. Going to MANY of the Caribbean destinations from JFK, they will depart and go out over the water. I have been on flights to Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and others on us....the DirecTV lasts for about 45 minutes into the flight because B6 a lot of times will go way out over the water where there is less congestion (I would say about 75% of the flights I have been on to the Caribbean, less CUN). That (especially at JFK) allows them to depart on time because their routing is taking them away from congested airways over the coast (one BIG reason to invest the $$ and extra weight of having ALL aircraft in the fleet overwater equipped....NOT ETOPS, overwater equipped). Now, obviously weather, turbulence, etc., they all play a role in the routing, but at least 75% of the flights I've been on heading down to the Caribbean have be very far out over the water and we lost DirecTV about 45 minutes after wheels up. Just giving my experience as a traveler and employee....


[EDIT] Just so I don't sound like an ass or anything, I do need to clarify that D.R. was the furthest west of the islands I have flown us to. Not sure if our flights to KIN and MJB are the same routing or not, so my experience is flying to places a few hundred miles east of GCM, so who knows, they just may track a little west because the island is further west.

[Edited 2012-07-13 11:14:29]
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):
But B6 in BOS can also pull on the transfer pax coming from places like SYR, ROC, BUF, ORD, PIT, BWI, DCA, IAD, RIC (quite a few can also go through JFK too, but there are tranfer capabilities). Not saying all of those options are perfect, but they exist.

True, while they exist, they are not very convenient. If you look at the timing of the flights (JFK@7am; BOS@10:30am), it appears that there would not be much of a 'pull' without an overnighter in New York or Boston, unless B6 have a large bank of early morning arrivals into these airports (I don't know if they do) to feed the outbound flights. It seems to me that they are focussing on the O&D market.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting N312RM (Reply 18):
True, while they exist, they are not very convenient. If you look at the timing of the flights (JFK@7am; BOS@10:30am), it appears that there would not be much of a 'pull' without an overnighter in New York or Boston, unless B6 have a large bank of early morning arrivals into these airports (I don't know if they do) to feed the outbound flights. It seems to me that they are focussing on the O&D market.

I don't have the final schedule package for that far out yet so I couldn't tell you. I like to reference those because they pretty much will tell you where a plane is coming into a city from and turning back out to, lets me understand the planned flow.

10:30am is a late morning departure, so I am quite sure that there are connecting inbound flights for the BOS 10:30am departure (outside of the red-eye transcons), from where I do not know yet LOL. But, if you think about it, if we want to give a transfer pax 1 hour time at BOS on the outbound, that means their inbound flight to BOS needs to get there around 9:30am. Most of those places I mentioned are between 1 and 2 hours block time to BOS. So, we're talking flights leaving some of these cities at 7:30am, which would be the morning fleet launches from some R.O.N. cities, so BOS does have the potential of transferring folks.

7am at JFK is definitely quite early and that I can see as having minimal connectivity outside of the red-eye transcons.
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 17):

Dude, flight will be filed over ar21, no farther then our offshore routings for our south Florida flying. I have a pretty good understanding of JetBlue flight plans, I am a bus pilot at our company. We lose direct tv about 100 miles south of Cuba, so you will have it to almost touchdown in gcm. All the flights you referenced are eastern Carib destinations and are filed over waters airspace, which in laymans terms are routings flying south southwest and using an enroute alternate of txkf. The flights are routed half way between Bermuda and north Carolina thus out of dtv service.

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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):
But B6 in BOS can also pull on the transfer pax coming from places like SYR, ROC, BUF, ORD, PIT, BWI, DCA, IAD, RIC

SYR and ROC aren't served non-stop from BOS. The big issue will be the return flight; with an arrival into BOS at 1925, it will be difficult or impossible to make the last flight to most of these markets. I wouldn't book a connection of under 2 hours when you consider having to clear customs, change terminals, and clear security. BUF, BWI, DEN, SEA, & DCA will work if you're willing to accept a connection time of 80 to 90 minutes for most.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 17):
GCM is a lovely tool, however it does not take into consideration how an airline chooses to travel all the time. Going to MANY of the Caribbean destinations from JFK, they will depart and go out over the water. I have been on flights to Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and others on us....the DirecTV lasts for about 45 minutes into the flight because B6 a lot of times will go way out over the water where there is less congestion (I would say about 75% of the flights I have been on to the Caribbean, less CUN). That (especially at JFK) allows them to depart on time because their routing is taking them away from congested airways over the coast (one BIG reason to invest the $$ and extra weight of having ALL aircraft in the fleet overwater equipped....NOT ETOPS, overwater equipped). Now, obviously weather, turbulence, etc., they all play a role in the routing, but at least 75% of the flights I've been on heading down to the Caribbean have be very far out over the water and we lost

You do realize where GCM is in the Caribbean right? When I have done KX from JFK...we came down over ATL, over western Cuba
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:21 pm

I would imagine that there will be material business travel on the JFK route as well. The Cayman Islands are the homes of many hedge funds and fund of funds.
 
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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:12 pm

Quoting N757ST (Reply 20):
Dude, flight will be filed over ar21, no farther then our offshore routings for our south Florida flying. I have a pretty good understanding of JetBlue flight plans, I am a bus pilot at our company.

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Thank you for your detailed response! Again, I have never taken us on a flight that far west in the Caribbean, the furthest west I have gone was D.R., and we lost TV about 45 minutes after wheels up and we didn't see land the entire way down (or back up, actually). Seriously, departed 31L, turned over Floyd Bennet Field, turned again over the Atlantic, watched NJ get further and further away, didn't see land again until we started seeing some of the islands down south. Cookie cutter, every flight I've taken down to the Caribbean LOL (except one time I departed on 4L)!! Who knows, maybe its just my luck that my flights go so far out over the water....I do have pretty crappy luck when it comes to flights LOL!!! I never asked my Flight Crew about the routing before, I just assumed it was the norm sine it is all I experienced, I just introduce myself, let them know where I am sitting, help clean the plane and get to work (yup, every time I have been down the the Caribbean, it was for work and not pleasure  ). As you referenced, all my flights were halfway out to BDA (which I have also been to, for work, and can honestly say that I have never felt so......isolated! MAN that island is OUT THERE LOL!) because I was going to places further east. Thanks again for the detailed response, stop by and visit sometime!

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
You do realize where GCM is in the Caribbean right? When I have done KX from JFK...we came down over ATL, over western Cuba

No, I have no understanding of GCM being in the Caribbean...especially since I said the word "Cribbean" multiple times just in the text that you quoted and my other posts    I was giving my experiences of the MANY other flights I have taken to OTHER destinations....also in the Caribbean...but further to the east where apparently I got different routing and therefore my IFE experience was much different. I have been to the D.R., P.R., BGI, SXM, UVF, AUA (on B6, I have been to more on other carriers) all which are much further east than GCM.

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RE: B6 Announces JFK-GCM And BOS-GCM

Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:41 pm

It's nice to see BOS get flights to a new destination. That will bring them up to 46 from here. And with PVD apparently getting service, it's a good week for B6 and the Boston area!
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