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787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:48 pm

Here are some interesting thoughts of the 787 and the flying display at Farnborough. Apparently he piloted the plane during the aerial display. Unfortunately the Qatar 787 departed on Thursday.

Why hasn't Boeing done more flying displays? This was the first since 1984.

http://airutopia.com/aviation_network_channel_detail.php?id=11

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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview

Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting soundtrack (Thread starter):
Why hasn't Boeing done more flying displays? This was the first since 1984.

Liability and Public Relations concerns should an accident happen, I imagine.
 
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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting soundtrack (Thread starter):
Why hasn't Boeing done more flying displays? This was the first since 1984

A successful display has no influence on an airlines buying decision. A failure may.

On the public relations side (passengers) a failure may prove extremely costly. A successful display may earn some media time and whatever positive that may bring. And now it is time for the can of worms. There is only so much much media will allocate to aviation and if your competition is providing a more exciting display it is pretty good odds media will use images of them. This is where Airbus protections come in to play. Because of them Airbus is comfortable to make the display a little bit more exciting. Boeing can do the same maneuvers but because what is at risk they want a bit more margin before doing them at low altitude with plenty of people and cameras focused on them.

All in all very limited upside and while the risk is extremely small the downside of a failure is likely very costly.
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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:40 pm

Good video, thanks for sharing...
You can really get the idea of the size of the windows as he taxis past and the pilot is visible. They are huge!
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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Liability and Public Relations concerns should an accident happen, I imagine.
Quoting cmf (Reply 2):
A successful display has no influence on an airlines buying decision. A failure may.

On the public relations side (passengers) a failure may prove extremely costly.
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All in all very limited upside and while the risk is extremely small the downside of a failure is likely very costly.

But this is exactly why a flying display is valuable and makes such an impression, a memorable impression.... the company is putting everything, essentially, on line and is so confident, so certain, that their plane is great, that their plane is capable of, and does, what has been promised that they can and will put it out there and prove it.

It is important and impressive simply because of this, you are putting your money where your mouth is.

And yes, I understand the real risks and the real downside that people here explain. I get it, I know it is real.

You know the saying: Bullshit walks and money talks. Well, you could reword it to say:

"Weak planes sit and great planes FLY".

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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:14 pm

But no airline would ever fly an airplane in those maneuvers with passengers aboard as part of normal flight operations, so just because a 787 can do a highl-vertical-aspect climb or an A380 can perform a hard bank at low altitudes doesn't really mean anything other than it's kind of "cool" if your an avation geek and would have no influence on an airline looking to purchase a model.

If an airline wants to fly their plane near the envelope - like QF and GF do at Formula One Grands Prix - more power to them, but I don't really see any benefit to an OEM.
 
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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:05 am

Great Interview!! It is great that they managed to get Pilot Randy Neville, behind the scenes.

I was actually at the show watching the aerial display and it was fantastic to see a Boeing comercial airplane joining in the daily flying display. Hopefully Boeing can have a repeat at next years Paris Air Show.

It is a shame that Boeing did not bring along the 748i. It would have been great to compare both these aircraft in the sky on both size and noise footprint.

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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
But this is exactly why a flying display is valuable and makes such an impression, a memorable impression.... the company is putting everything, essentially, on line and is so confident, so certain, that their plane is great, that their plane is capable of, and does, what has been promised that they can and will put it out there and prove it.

The company puts FAR more on the line by flying paying passengers than they ever do at an airshow. Airliners flying at airshows is just showing off for the sake of showing off...no tangible upside, huge downside.

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RE: 787 Chief Test Pilot Randy Neville Interview (Vid)

Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 7):
The company puts FAR more on the line by flying paying passengers than they ever do at an airshow. Airliners flying at airshows is just showing off for the sake of showing off...no tangible upside, huge downside.

Sort of. When passengers are on board they do not fly the planes to the "limits" (I know they do not fly the planes to their absolute limits at the airshows either). In fact passenger flying is as constrained as it can possibly be within the requirements for doing the job.

An airshow demonstration, as you ALWAYS point out, has a huge downside if something goes wrong, so the company is putting itself at risk for the companies that will be at risk for actual loss of life when the plane is in service. In essence the airlines can see that the company is willing to bet the farm before they bet the farm. I know all the testing that goes on prior to certification is far more than what is put on at an airshow and that is why it is how a plane is deemed qualified to fly passengers. But again to do it over and over again is putting your company at risk which and that shows that you KNOW your plane can do this (or else you wouldn't do it). I think airlines, and I know people, like to see this.

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