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Future Of MSY

Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:41 pm

Any clues as to who will be the next airline at MSY? The airport has a lot of potential and their passenger numbers have been rising. WN is the largest carrier there... any idea if there will be any changes on the next schedule release?
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:47 pm

I only know about the past. I remember the 70s and 80s when NA, DL, SO/RC and EA ruled the roost, with BN, WN, and others (domestic and international) thrown in for good measure. I have fond memories of the open-air observation deck, with DL stretch DC8s & L1011s, multi-colored BN a/c, NA DC10s, SAHSA 737s and Taca BAC111s, etc operating simultaneously. Such great memories! So sad to think there will probably never be that kind of airline/aircraft diversity at MSY in the foreseeable future.
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RE: Future Of MSY

Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:50 pm

I would guess that NK is getting close to entering the market.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:19 pm

MSY is a great example of an airport in need of being replaced. Over the years there have been several proposals to reloacte MSY to higher ground to the east, west, and north of the city. Why this hasn't been done is a mystery of the politics of New Orleans.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
MSY is a great example of an airport in need of being replaced. Over the years there have been several proposals to reloacte MSY to higher ground to the east, west, and north of the city. Why this hasn't been done is a mystery of the politics of New Orleans.

MSY operates far below capacity. Why in the world would it need to be replaced?
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 4):
MSY is a great example of an airport in need of being replaced. Over the years there have been several proposals to reloacte MSY to higher ground to the east, west, and north of the city. Why this hasn't been done is a mystery of the politics of New Orleans.
Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 4):
MSY operates far below capacity. Why in the world would it need to be replaced?

I agree. They aren't even using one of their four concourses and the last time I was in at MSY in 2009 I saw a lot of empty gates
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:25 am

I think NK, AS, and G4 are all good candidates for flights to MSY. All three would fill a niche and would be very successful. I bet you we'll see one of those by 2013, and two (or all) by 2014. NK in particular I could see running more than a handful of flights from MSY.

On the international front, I think the airport needs to somehow get a flight back to Central America, and perhaps one to CUN, at least seasonal. Perhaps WN/FL will be more keen to add something like CUN now since the airline is adding more spokes to MSY.

I think the airport's best days are ahead of it.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 2):
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 6):

I think it's in all Lousiana residents' best interests if NK stays as far away as possible. DTW is covered by DL, ORD by UA and AA, and FLL by WN. Leave those routes to the quality airlines (for the most part)
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
MSY is a great example of an airport in need of being replaced. Over the years there have been several proposals to reloacte MSY to higher ground to the east, west, and north of the city. Why this hasn't been done is a mystery of the politics of New Orleans.

But why would replacement even be considered? Does the airport flood a lot?
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:32 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
I think it's in all Lousiana residents' best interests if NK stays as far away as possible. DTW is covered by DL, ORD by UA and AA, and FLL by WN. Leave those routes to the quality airlines (for the most part)

Why? Just because you don't like them?? NK in MSY is not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when".
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:14 pm

Quoting santi319 (Reply 9):
Why? Just because you don't like them??

I just think that with NK coming in and undercutting everybodies prices, some airlines won't be able to compete on some routes, and that would leave MSY flyers on a budget with just NK.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 4):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):MSY is a great example of an airport in need of being replaced. Over the years there have been several proposals to reloacte MSY to higher ground to the east, west, and north of the city. Why this hasn't been done is a mystery of the politics of New Orleans.
MSY operates far below capacity. Why in the world would it need to be replaced?

While gate capacity is not an issue, the original terminal was opened in 1959, and has been remodeled, rebuilt, and expanded multiple times over the last 50 years. What's left is a chopped up floor plan with no continuity or efficiency and frankly it's just ugly. The roadway system was also built with 1960's passenger loads in mind and is completely inadequate. Arrival lanes often back up to the point that departure lanes are blocked by grid-lock during peak times. The situation is similar to the old IND terminal. There was no issue with gate space, but it was by no means a world class facility suitable to provide a good first impression of the city.

I think MSY is ready for a new terminal buiding, preferably on the existing airport site.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:58 pm

Still no SAP-MSY non-stop? TA/AV NK not interested?
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 10):
I just think that with NK coming in and undercutting everybodies prices, some airlines won't be able to compete on some routes, and that would leave MSY flyers on a budget with just NK.

I disagree. The airline might not be everyone's cup of joe, but it will provide more options, if anything. It's not like NK would kick DL off of MSY-DTW, or kick WN off of MSY-FLL. There's room for all.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):
Still no SAP-MSY non-stop? TA/AV NK not interested?

Sadly, not yet.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:27 pm

MSY may be able to support 1 daily flight from SAL on a TACA E190. I work in the FIS area of IAH and the flights from El Salvador and I see a lot of bags that have MSY tagged on them.
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting donindc (Reply 11):
While gate capacity is not an issue, the original terminal was opened in 1959, and has been remodeled, rebuilt, and expanded multiple times over the last 50 years. What's left is a chopped up floor plan with no continuity or efficiency and frankly it's just ugly.

Looks like half the airports in the US i've ever been to, don't see the big deal, I didn't find it that "ugly".

Quoting donindc (Reply 11):
The roadway system was also built with 1960's passenger loads in mind and is completely inadequate. Arrival lanes often back up to the point that departure lanes are blocked by grid-lock during peak times. The situation is similar to the old IND terminal. There was no issue with gate space, but it was by no means a world class facility suitable to provide a good first impression of the city.

So because the Terminal road network needs work the city needs to spend BILLIONS on a new airport?
Maybe instead they should look at fixing the road network. They just cleared out a bunch of space for the West Terminal annex, they could do a rework of the roads at the same time.

Even failing that, building real transit in NOLA including an airport link should really be a higher priority than building a whole new airport.

And if we are feeling really adventurous... New Terminal complex, North Side of field, direct road access to/from I10, much cheaper than a whole new airport.
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 14):
MSY may be able to support 1 daily flight from SAL on a TACA E190. I work in the FIS area of IAH and the flights from El Salvador and I see a lot of bags that have MSY tagged on them.

yes, UA does really well from MSY to IAH to SAL, SAP, TGU and BZE
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:06 pm

MSY seems to be in a good place right now. The city is turning a new leaf with the current mayor and the new airport management have folded over priced contracts and have actually hired qualified and intelligent staff. With so many festivals and big name conventions coming to the city, it seems to be well positioned for the airport to market to airlines. As a frequent flyer and big time NOLA fan I fly out of MSY all the time. I think Virgin America is the next carrier to step in, NK is a possibility, but I'm betting with NK they'd have to cut their costs before Spirit would take them on. I'm waiting for AS or SY to step in. G4 would be a huge win too.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 4):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):MSY is a great example of an airport in need of being replaced. Over the years there have been several proposals to reloacte MSY to higher ground to the east, west, and north of the city. Why this hasn't been done is a mystery of the politics of New Orleans.
MSY operates far below capacity. Why in the world would it need to be replaced?
Quoting panpan (Reply 5):
I agree. They aren't even using one of their four concourses and the last time I was in at MSY in 2009 I saw a lot of empty gates

MSY is at sea level, or just a very few feet above sea level. Since this former military airport was handed over to the city after WWII, it has taken direct hits by at least two hurricanes. Moving it further inland may protect it more when the next one hits and hopefully a lot less damage.

The hurricane of 1947 (hurricanes did not have names before about 1950, or so) and Katrina wiped out the airport for several days. Maybe Hurricane Audrey in 1957 may have also flooded the airport.
 
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RE: Future Of MSY

Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting donindc (Reply 11):
I think MSY is ready for a new terminal buiding, preferably on the existing airport site.

I was at MSY just a few weeks ago, and I noticed a large new building being constructed from my gate lounge. Is this building associated with the airport? Awesome city BTW!

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RE: Future Of MSY

Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
But why would replacement even be considered? Does the airport flood a lot?



R/W 10/28 does flood to the point that it is not usable. The western 1/3 of the runway, not only during hurricanes but during some of our tropical downpours unrelated to Tropical Storms and Hurricanes. IMO 10/28 should have been elevated when they pulled it up and replaced it some 10+ yrs ago.

Quoting donindc (Reply 11):
While gate capacity is not an issue, the original terminal was opened in 1959, and has been remodeled, rebuilt, and expanded multiple times over the last 50 years. What's left is a chopped up floor plan with no continuity or efficiency and frankly it's just ugly. The roadway system was also built with 1960's passenger loads in mind and is completely inadequate. Arrival lanes often back up to the point that departure lanes are blocked by grid-lock during peak times. The situation is similar to the old IND terminal. There was no issue with gate space, but it was by no means a world class facility suitable to provide a good first impression of the city.

I think MSY is ready for a new terminal buiding, preferably on the existing airport site.



I agree 100%

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 15):
So because the Terminal road network needs work the city needs to spend BILLIONS on a new airport?
Maybe instead they should look at fixing the road network. They just cleared out a bunch of space for the West Terminal annex, they could do a rework of the roads at the same time.

Even failing that, building real transit in NOLA including an airport link should really be a higher priority than building a whole new airport.

And if we are feeling really adventurous... New Terminal complex, North Side of field, direct road access to/from I10, much cheaper than a whole new airport.



All of these have been studied to death. When I started with Piedmont in 1985 these had been discussed and studied. Yet the only thing close is the West Terminal complex. Until more progress is made on this I will believe it when I see it.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
MSY is at sea level, or just a very few feet above sea level. Since this former military airport was handed over to the city after WWII, it has taken direct hits by at least two hurricanes. Moving it further inland may protect it more when the next one hits and hopefully a lot less damage.



You are correct the runways are right at 4' ASL, at least that is what they were shown at in 2005 when I last worked Weight and Balance.

Hurricanes of Cat 2 or larger to take direct hits on MSY. August 22.1947, Sept 3-4, 1948, Flossy 1956, Betsy 1965, Katrina 2005. These storms had winds in excess of 90-100 mph at MSY and caused significant damage or flooding.
Numerous Cat 1 have directly affected MSY causing the airport to close for a day or so. MSY was hit by 2 hurricanes in 2005 Cindy and Katrina. Quite a few major Hurricanes affected MSY negatively, but not a direct hit, that I remember are were Andrew, Camille, Rita, Gustav, Georges. Moving the airport would certainly help, but basically anywhere in SE LA your are going to have these problems. I know IAH/HOU has had their share as well.

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RE: Future Of MSY

Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:02 am

Quoting jetmech (Reply 19):

I was at MSY just a few weeks ago, and I noticed a large new building being constructed from my gate lounge. Is this building associated with the airport? Awesome city BTW!

I believe that is part of the new rental car facility.

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