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SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:34 am

Looks like IAH just might be getting SAS Scandinavian early next year as part of its expansion into the US. With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online, IAH needs to start thinking about terminal space with all these new and rumored services converging on Houston's international Star Alliance network at Term-D. Not to mention DL's interest in also relocating to D to be close to its Skyteam partners KL & AF.

SAS also plans to add a second non-stop route between Copenhagen and New York (Newark) from April 1 and may start running flights to Houston. Is considering non-stop service from either Oslo or Stavanger to Houston, a frequent destination for those working in the oil industry.

“The oil industry is generating strong traffic, and since Norway is an oil nation, it wouldn’t be unnatural to simplify the trip between our two markets,” Roald told Aftenposten. He said the “market will decide” whether a new non-stop route to Houston would run from Oslo or Stavanger, the main base for offshore oil operations in the North Sea.


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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Looks like IAH just might be getting SAS Scandinavian early next year as part of its expansion into the US. With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online,

I haven't heard the rumors of TAM flying to IAH. I think NZ is a strong strong candidate in lieu of all that has been happening.

Now SAS to IAH...hmm this could work if they are able to garner some hefty oil contracts in addition to Star feed.
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:35 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 1):
I haven't heard the rumors of TAM flying to IAH

Meant to say TACA, not TAM...sorry.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 1):
Now SAS to IAH...hmm this could work if they are able to garner some hefty oil contracts in addition to Star feed.

Feeling confident this could indeed work with regard to contracts as most Oil/Gas as well as EPC companies here in Houston have ties back to Norway to include Conoco/Phillips, BP, GE, Shell, Exxon, etc. Then you have to throw in the Norwegian companies with offices here in the gulf coast region regarding Norway's Statoil Co. (Houston & Austin) , Stolt Nielson (Ocean Freight - Bulk Fluid Container shipper based out of Houston Ship Channel) as well as Aker Kraevner & Aker Solutions (EPC - Oil Rig Design & Manufacturing).
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:02 am

I would also love to see a SK IAH-OSL route. Maybe they could do a 4x/5x weekly flight that could mimic KL's previous Privatair IAH-AMS flight. This gives them a full-days work at the Houston office and arrive into OSL early morning. Also, an early evening flight would alleviate a crowded D terminal. At that time AM, the 2nd BA flight, and the new TK flight will be the only ones at D. Maybe NZ, SK, and SN would add to that night bank of flights from D.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:38 am

If this happens, I would guess that KLM stands to lose the most. Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):

Yes, but not sure this would be more than a 3X-4X times per week niche run at best as SK only has 11 long range airships to work with. Think its 4 A333's and 7 A343's for long haul flights worldwide if not mistaken. That long haul list includes Beijing, Shanghai, NRT, ORD, Newark (2X), IAD, SFO (next year) so far right now which is significantly paired down from before the global recession. Not sure if their are other routes within the network requiring the larger lift capacity.
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:01 am

Well Stavanger or Oslo would surprise me.
Lets remember that the oilcapital of Europe is Aberdeen and they dont have any connection to Houston. And Aberdeen is a fair bit bigger as an oildestinations compared to Stavanger.
The only thing I could see flown on such a route is a leased Private air 737-320 or similar.

Aberdeen sees alot more flights, among them is another oildestination such as Baku.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:18 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online, IAH needs to start thinking about terminal space with all these new and rumored services converging on Houston's international Star Alliance network at Term-D.

Easy solution... Just add a few more international gates at HOU for WN, and watch the space open up  
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:31 am

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 7):
Easy solution... Just add a few more international gates at HOU for WN, and watch the space open up

    
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:38 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):
If this happens, I would guess that KLM stands to lose the most. Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.

I would guess BA, they take a large number of pax from the IAH flights through LHR to Norway (and Aberdeen...)
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:52 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 3):
I would also love to see a SK IAH-OSL route. Maybe they could do a 4x/5x weekly flight that could mimic KL's previous Privatair IAH-AMS flight.
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 5):
Yes, but not sure this would be more than a 3X-4X times per week niche run at best as SK only has 11 long range airships to work with. Think its 4 A333's and 7 A343's for long haul flights worldwide if not mistaken. That long haul list includes Beijing, Shanghai, NRT, ORD, Newark (2X), IAD, SFO (next year) so far right now which is significantly paired down from before the global recession. Not sure if their are other routes within the network requiring the larger lift capacity.

First of all I don't think we see SVG/OSL-IAH startet. But if we do, I'm rather sure we'll see a some sort of Privatair flights as aznmadsci suggest, and not any of SAS' own widebodies on the route
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:55 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):
Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 9):
I would guess BA, they take a large number of pax from the IAH flights through LHR to Norway (and Aberdeen...)

They sure do! London first then a short hop over to Stavanger, Norway. I think most oil companies use BA and UA (formerly CO).
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:50 am

SAS will never open OSL/SVG-IAH. This is all just PR talk from a new Market and Sales Director in SAS trying to get goodwill in the Norwegian market, and being scared of what Norwegian IC will do to SAS limited IC network primarily focused around CPH. SAS does not have the right plane for this route either.

However UA was close opening a IAH route from Norway, but sadly it did not happen.

The best would be if SQ opened SIN-OSL-IAH. In that way the oil, offshore and shipping industry would get a highly needed option both east and west in addition to incoming and outgoing tourism. And Norwegian seafood in the belly.

But that day will never come as long as SAS refuse to feed at OSL.
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:00 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 2):
Feeling confident this could indeed work with regard to contracts as most Oil/Gas as well as EPC companies here in Houston have ties back to Norway to include Conoco/Phillips, BP, GE, Shell, Exxon, etc. Then you have to throw in the Norwegian companies with offices here in the gulf coast region regarding Norway's Statoil Co. (Houston & Austin) , Stolt Nielson (Ocean Freight - Bulk Fluid Container shipper based out of Houston Ship Channel) as well as Aker Kraevner & Aker Solutions (EPC - Oil Rig Design & Manufacturing).

FYI - Aker Kvaerner was renamed to become Aker Solutions. As you say there are a lot of ties between the two cities, but add in a connection to Aberdeen and you have a whole lot more...

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
Well Stavanger or Oslo would surprise me.
Lets remember that the oilcapital of Europe is Aberdeen and they dont have any connection to Houston. And Aberdeen is a fair bit bigger as an oildestinations compared to Stavanger.
The only thing I could see flown on such a route is a leased Private air 737-320 or similar.

Aberdeen sees alot more flights, among them is another oildestination such as Baku.

The runway at Aberdeen is too short to support direct flights to IAH, even after the recent expansion. There is a huge demand from Aberdeen to Houston, with KLM and BA currently taking the majority of passengers.City Star proposed flying Aberdeen to Houston with a 757 a few years back, but this never happened due to them going belly up. They also planned to provide connections to Stavanger and Oslo.

There's no reason why this can't work in the opposite direction - SAS providing the flights from Oslo/Stavanger, and providing a connecting flight from Aberdeen. Although at present SAS do not fly Aberdeen-Oslo, so the connection would need to be in Stavanger.

Loads may be light on such a flight, but I bet the yields would be pretty good!
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:08 am

Quoting arn777 (Reply 12):
But that day will never come as long as SAS refuse to feed at OSL.

Refuses to feed anything but CPH...
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:18 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
Refuses to feed anything but CPH...

Correct!
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:45 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
Well Stavanger or Oslo would surprise me.
Lets remember that the oilcapital of Europe is Aberdeen and they dont have any connection to Houston. And Aberdeen is a fair bit bigger as an oildestinations compared to Stavanger.
The only thing I could see flown on such a route is a leased Private air 737-320 or similar.

Aberdeen sees alot more flights, among them is another oildestination such as Baku.

According to who? Norway is by far the biggest producer of oil in the region and Stavanger is a much bigger oil city than Aberdeen.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:00 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
According to who? Norway is by far the biggest producer of oil in the region and Stavanger is a much bigger oil city than Aberdeen.

Norway may be the biggest producer of oil, but it's oil industry is much more spread out across the country. Scotland's oil industry is concentrated in Aberdeen. Aberdeen based companies also do a lot of work for oil production in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea, as well as elsewhere in the world.

According to everyone. Stavanger is known as "The oil capital of Norway", while Aberdeen is known as "The oil capital of Europe". Noone in Stavanger has ever disputed this, so it must be true.

It's hard to find consistent stats to back it up, but I have managed to find the following:

Employees Working In Oil Sector:
Aberdeen: 23,500 - 137,300
Stavanger: 80,000

Number Of Companies
Aberdeen: 1,000+
Stavanger: 280

Sources:
Aberdeen: http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/nmsru...aveasdialog.asp?lID=30832&sID=3365
Stavanger: http://www.neweuropeaneconomy.com/ho...-norways-gift-that-keeps-on-giving

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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:13 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 10):
First of all I don't think we see SVG/OSL-IAH startet.

This is probably correct..... Jeff Smisek from his UA office in Chicago will get on the telephone to his *A partners over there in Scandinavia, and tell them how badly IAH has been behaving and that now IAH needs to be taught a lesson and punished........ so then SK will transfer this route and instead it will become OSL-DEN and OSL-CLE.

What airline would want to serve an airport that's behaving badly, I ask?


 
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:12 am

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 13):
FYI - Aker Kvaerner was renamed to become Aker Solutions. As you say there are a lot of ties between the two cities, but add in a connection to Aberdeen and you have a whole lot more...

Nope, according to Reuters this morning my understanding is that Kvaerner was always seperate from Solutions and only recently Kvaerner was bought by a Japanese EPC called IHI. The base continues to be Houston going foward.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...idUS154756+12-Jul-2012+HUG20120712

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ihi...ternational-corporation-2012-07-12

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 13):
As you say there are a lot of ties between the two cities, but add in a connection to Aberdeen and you have a whole lot more...

Main reason why our subsea global meetings take place in London due to the fact that nobody here in Houston, or Lousiana wants to connect and travel all the way to Aberdeen for meetings. If thiers no interest in a connection then you will find alot of us preferring to get up at the crack of dawn here in Houston to instead crowd the Cisco Telepresence room at the main offices if we are required to be seen and not just heard .
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:40 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
Quoting nighthawk (Reply 17):

I think one thing that has to also be considered is that from a Subsea services base here in Houston, our bosses are based in Aberdeen granted, but our revenue generation in many cases is Norwegian (as well as the Gulf Coast naturally, off the coast of New Foundland and Africa too at least from these offices). While no one can deny the importance of an Aberdeen link with IAH is necessary, their can also be as just a strong case for at a minimum an Oslo service as well. The customer base is paying the bills to support their projects and for you to be out there servicing platforms on a moments notice, sometimes for weeks and months on end (our support guys sometimes need to be rotated in during an assignment too). So, their is indeed a case to have a flight from either North Sea location that does not require long connections between legs (LHR, CDG, AMS) and Privatair may not necessarily be a solution when it comes to a O&G supporting a customer project having to drop large bills on the only seats available as being biz class seats, so a field services rep. can fly in creature comforts. But if that is the only option provided it will be utilized that is for sure. However, from this point of view revenue and contributing margin have to also come into view when making ones quarterly figures work during quarterly business reviews and the bottom line is that thier is going to be a case for "back seat" traffic as well as biz class in alot of cases.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:46 am

Why not just provide better connections between Aberdeen and SVG/OSL?

Then the long haul flights to IAH could catch all the oil industry related pax in one place. The flight would also be shorter from ABZ. Don't seriously believe the sustainability of any Norway-IAH direct flight. Perhaps with a one-stop in Aberdeen. And not with widebody equipment.

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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:10 am

ABZ reportedly has upwards of 50 business travellers going to IAH a day on BA alone. There is likely a fair number using KL, AF and LH as well.

The oil industry is big in Aberdeen and the number of oil/business travellers is clear when you compare ABZ with a city with similar catchment area.

I believe an ideal routing would be SVG-ABZ-IAH on a BBJ/BBJ2. The route would be dependant on feed from both cities I guess but with ABZ being larger than SVG industry-wise it would need to be direct from ABZ - not SVG.
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 21):
Why not just provide better connections between Aberdeen and SVG/OSL?

There are five or six daily flights SVG-ABZ on SK, WF and T3, so a IAH-flight from SVG could also attract pax from ABZ.



Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):
If this happens, I would guess that KLM stands to lose the most. Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.

KLM, BA and LH would all lose traffic.


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Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting raggi (Reply 23):
There are five or six daily flights SVG-ABZ on SK, WF and T3, so a IAH-flight from SVG could also attract pax from ABZ.

But why launch flights from the 2nd biggest city (SVG) when you can launch flights from the biggest oil city and NOT having to backtrack? In my opinion flights out of ABZ would be more sustainable in the long run especially with feeder traffic from both OSL and SVG.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 24):

True, but then again KL, LH and BA and perhaps also AF to a less extent take most of the oil traffic to/from SVG, BGO, OSL via their respective hubs.

There is also the issue with the relatively short rwy at ABZ (6000')


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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:35 pm

Hmm AkerKvaerner might be a big fish in Norway but internationally they aren't even a guppy.

Aker ASA revenue NOK 36.47 billion (2011) 26,600 Employees
(http://www.akerasa.com/)
Kvaerner revenue NOK 4.0 billion (2011)
www.kvaerner.com

For an example AB Volvo is divided into two companies. This is the large one (not the cars). (Add on another 25 billion or so for Volvo cars depending on how to count the Chinese assets...)
Volvo AB revenue SEK 264.75 billion (2010) or NOK 232.38 billion (2010). Employees 105,260

Yet we don't scream about direct transatlantic service to Gothenburg. And Gothenburg as a city is much larger and home to more corporate HQ:s than Stavanger will ever be. SKF the worlds largest bearing manufacturer has its HQ in GOT for example.

(NOK to SEK is 1.15 now was between 1.10 to 1.14 in 2010 and 2011.)

Not even by trying can I see a business case between Stavanger and IAD. I can see a possibility between Oslo and IAD but its still a very small niche market.
As said SK would want to serve IAD from Houston so they can bring in feed from all over Scandinavia and by then the people flying might as well choose the other European hubs making such a route unprofitable. (Like I bet the SK route to San Francisco will prove to be within 2 years)

I have friends at some of the largest American oilservice companies in Stavanger. Baker&Hughes has about 100 employees there, Schlumberger 125. Not even close for nonstop service.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:45 pm

On the basis that SVG-OSL-IAH seems no more attractive than SVG-LHR-IAH or SVG-AMS-IAH, then the objective has to be to offer something more attractive than a connecting flight. If flights cannot operate ABZ-IAH then what about: IAH-ABZ-SVG-IAH? BA A318 in LCY-JFK configuration perhaps?
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:56 pm

Any idea if SAS plans to acquire some new longhaul planes?
7 A330-300 and 4 A340-300 seem to be not to much to serve its network and to meet their expansion plans.
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 28):
Any idea if SAS plans to acquire some new longhaul planes?
7 A330-300 and 4 A340-300 seem to be not to much to serve its network and to meet their expansion plans.

If they do decide to start SVG-IAH for example, then I would think aqcuiring a couple of RR engined A330-200s may be a good idea and make them premium heavy. Then means that the pilots can be drawns from the A330/A340 pool with little training. Same goes for cabin crew.
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 27):
If flights cannot operate ABZ-IAH then what about: IAH-ABZ-SVG-IAH? BA A318 in LCY-JFK configuration perhaps?

I suggested something similar on a different forum for AUS concerning a N/S (A320) out of LHR and came to the conclusion that only a Boeing BBJ like Privatair (fuel capacity issues) would be able to make such a distance (5000nm) without a refuel if not a a 767-200ER like ex.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 28):
Any idea if SAS plans to acquire some new longhaul planes?
7 A330-300 and 4 A340-300 seem to be not to much to serve its network and to meet their expansion plans.

Wiki did not indicate new wide body aircraft on order for SK with Boeing or Airbus, but interestingly enough  Norwegian Air is getting ready to launch its own Oslo-JFK services on a 787 (it has 8 on order for deliveries starting in 2013) . SK needs to start considering something similar if it wants to operate its own potentially profitable, leaner, niche routes like servicing an Oil Triangle of Oslo-Aberdeen-IAH. Norwegian could solve alot of problems for everyone next year by running a O&G hub and spoke out of Oslo on a new 787, however 291 seats is alot of seats to fill into IAH......

"Norwegian Air, meanwhile, will be adding to the intercontinental flight options when it launches non-stop service next spring between Oslo and New York using the JFK airport on Long Island. Norwegian will use its new Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft, with 291 seats in two classes of service."
 
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:35 pm

This is a route that would be perfect for a UA 762, good range, premium heavy, and good cargo capacity!   
But if SAS does start this route, I hope it will be with the A340, I miss seeing them around here in IAH. How would this affect UA's EWR-OSL? Wouldn't a fair amount of that oil traffic originate in IAH?
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 31):
UA's EWR-OSL? Wouldn't a fair amount of that oil traffic originate in IAH?

Does UA have JV with SK? If they do, it might not matter. If they don't, to hell with em.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online, IAH needs to start thinking about terminal space with all these new and rumored services converging on Houston's international Star Alliance network at Term-D.

They definitely could use more than 12 gates. TA, AF, KL, LH, and BA all depart between 1600-1700 hrs CST and the two Middle East flights depart in the evening, so TK and SK would have to maneuver their schedules around those, in addition to the slew of EV flights. It'll be close to a bottleneck until Terminal B becomes FIS capable (7-10 years?). Something to think about for sure.

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Not to mention DL's interest in also relocating to D to be close to its Skyteam partners KL & AF.

Now you have a REAL bottleneck situation on your hands. Sounds like a fool's errand.
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 26):
I have friends at some of the largest American oilservice companies in Stavanger. Baker&Hughes has about 100 employees there, Schlumberger 125. Not even close for nonstop service.

Hmm, Schlumberger alone has ~2400 employees in Norway, not sure where you get your numbers from?
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 26):
I have friends at some of the largest American oilservice companies in Stavanger. Baker&Hughes has about 100 employees there, Schlumberger 125. Not even close for nonstop service.

Hmm, Schlumberger alone has ~2400 employees in Norway, not sure where you get your numbers from?


Maybe MillwallSean could be referring to the number of FT permanent service-hand personnel for on and off shore ops stationed in Stavanger as opposed to the rest of the country?

Quoting eagle125 (Reply 33):
Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online, IAH needs to start thinking about terminal space with all these new and rumored services converging on Houston's international Star Alliance network at Term-D.

They definitely could use more than 12 gates. TA, AF, KL, LH, and BA all depart between 1600-1700 hrs CST and the two Middle East flights depart in the evening, so TK and SK would have to maneuver their schedules around those, in addition to the slew of EV flights. It'll be close to a bottleneck until Terminal B becomes FIS capable (7-10 years?). Something to think about for sure.

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Not to mention DL's interest in also relocating to D to be close to its Skyteam partners KL & AF.

Now you have a REAL bottleneck situation on your hands. Sounds like a fool's errand.

Those 12 gates ....if DL would likely move over to utilize D 1-4 as these are RJ / 737 sized gates, then D5-12 (8 gates remain) would be for the 2 Sky Team carriers (AF, KLM), then you have Star (LH, SQ, TA) and finally 1World (BA)...that right there is a FULL pattern for the 1st bank of flights of the day. Not only that but you really can have only 6 wide bodies lined up at D (from D5-12) all at the same time which in most cases overlaps some of the unused gates for wing tip spacing.

The late afternoon bank 5pm onward would allow for the remainder of slots open to the new carriers in TK (2013), NZ (Tentative), & SK along with the Mideast carriers EK & QR and finally AM & 2nd BA of the day. That right there is ANOTHER full pattern of flights. I really don't think T-D will be able to accept anymore overseas carriers unless they are willing to service on off days /slots of the week that current tenants are not utilizing.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:16 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 35):
Those 12 gates ....if DL would likely move over to utilize D 1-4 as these are RJ / 737 sized gates, then D5-12 (8 gates remain) would be for the 2 Sky Team carriers (AF, KLM), then you have Star (LH, SQ, TA) and finally 1World (BA)...that right there is a FULL pattern for the 1st bank of flights of the day. Not only that but you really can have only 6 wide bodies lined up at D (from D5-12) all at the same time which in most cases overlaps some of the unused gates for wing tip spacing

Some clarification, DL could only get D1 to D3, the current D Gates that use to be part of terminal C. Also, not all of at D4 to D12 can hold wide-bodies simultaneous. If I am not mistaken D8 and D10, or some other combination, can only hold RJ's or narrow bodies if they have wide-bodies on either side.

Either way, it would be best if NZ, SK, TK, or SQ could use a gate or two in E during the rush. On a side, I like to opening of HOU to international traffic. Moving, AM, Vivaaerobus, or TA (all narowbody international) there as this will help reduce demand on D and help facilitate future expansion at IAH - D to handle more wide-bodies simultaneously. I also think UA really skunked themselves in handling the HOU international expansion response.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting eagle125 (Reply 33):
Terminal B becomes FIS capable (7-10 years?). Something to think about for sure.

Well...we will see how long United keeps up its antics...it may be more like 10 - 20 years.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 35):
T-D will be able to accept anymore overseas carriers unless they are willing to service on off days /slots of the week that current tenants are not utilizing.

Also as a side note - if need be they can start hardstanding. I'd think that if UA really pulled the plug on phase II (vs. the on hold status) - I could see the City of Houston proceeding with the expansion of Terminal D and place a second FIS there...or reopen the one there?
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 38):
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 35):
T-D will be able to accept anymore overseas carriers unless they are willing to service on off days /slots of the week that current tenants are not utilizing.

Also as a side note - if need be they can start hardstanding. I'd think that if UA really pulled the plug on phase II (vs. the on hold status) - I could see the City of Houston proceeding with the expansion of Terminal D and place a second FIS there...or reopen the one there?

Hardstanding sounds like a good idea since many of UA's regionals are starting to be serviced there on the tarmac. However, with that said I think that moving the C. Amer. carriers to Hobby, while makes some sense to relieve congestion does in fact hurt the two carriers to an extent that they are no longer able to provide / accept valuable connections regarding the Star Alliance grid at IAH. Instead, I think that AM, TA both would likely be candidates in shifting their narrow bodies out of the way into the hardstands while making way at the terminal for the wide bodies.

Quoting iahflyer (Reply 36):

Either way, it would be best if NZ, SK, TK, or SQ could use a gate or two in E during the rush.

I'm not sure UA would be willing or interested in sharing a gate or two with their Star partners, but it couldn't hurt.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting iahflyer (Reply 36):
HOU to international traffic. Moving, AM, Vivaaerobus, or TA

AM is a Skyteam member, and since DL is trying to be closer to its buddies, that may not fly. Same with TA being in Star with UA. Vivaaerobus may move to Hobby because HOU is more LCC friendly.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:23 pm

Hmmm...I think a BBJ on Privatair to ABZ or OSL would be a better fit than a 330 to IAH from OSL or SVG.
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RE: SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:14 pm

I wonder if Air New Zealand is the next airline to announce!
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:29 pm

It seems to me its about time for SAS and Finnair to return to California. Either SFO or LAX.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:43 pm

If they do start, it will be before the end of April to ferry the yearly Off Shore and Technology Conference. Norwegians are a big part of this.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:59 pm

Quoting Rockinflyer (Reply 43):
It seems to me its about time for SAS and Finnair to return to California. Either SFO or LAX.

SAS has already announced CPH-SFO. Starting in April 2013.
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:07 pm

SAS has already announced CPH-SFO. Starting in April 2013.
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That's great to hear!!!! I remember they went into LAX for so many decades and then had to pull out. Glad they'll be back in California!!! Ok AY, LAX for you? LOL!
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting Rockinflyer (Reply 46):
That's great to hear!!!! I remember they went into LAX for so many decades and then had to pull out. Glad they'll be back in California!!! Ok AY, LAX for you? LOL

I highly doubt that AY will serve HEL-California, as their focus lies in Asia. Besides that the US is already covered by AY to JFK and AA to ORD.
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