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DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:48 am

Details are extremely spotty, but Delta 126 (N1613B, 763), flying JFK-MAD, returned to JFK this evening after a "suspicious device" was discovered in the lavatory.

There are many conflicting reports, including one that says 3 FAMs were onboard, and have taken a passenger into custody. Others say that the FAM discovered the device.

With regards to the device itself, some have speculated that it could have been just a loose ceiling panel or aircraft part with wires attached, but others specifically identify "a piece of luggage with wires attached."

FBI Bomb Squad is enroute.

Tonight's flight path: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...6/history/20120712/2335Z/KJFK/KJFK

News story: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ion=news/local/new_york&id=8734676

News story: http://jalopnik.com/5925680/delta-fl...ackage-on-board-suspect-being-held

[Edited 2012-07-12 19:51:34]
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spiritair97
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:09 am

Hmmm.....could this be a repea if the incident earlier this year where a flight from JFK to DUB diverted because a cell phone was left in the lav? Not joking, seriously wondering if it could.
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:14 am

It's scheduled to depart for MAD at 1:00am.

They've already replaced the flight attendants.
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:29 am

It appears that previous reports

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
Hmmm.....could this be a repea if the incident earlier this year where a flight from JFK to DUB diverted because a cell phone was left in the lav? Not joking, seriously wondering if it could.

Ding ding ding. Folks, we have a winner. Alert has been cleared. Bomb squad found no suspicious device.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/07/d...-landing-jfk-airport/#.T_-Vw46MfpY
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:35 am

Quoting AA94 (Reply 3):

As for the article:

1. I don't think 45 minutes counts as "shortly after takeoff".
2. I love when a journalist admits that some journalism (whether there own or not) was false.

But getting serious, I'm glad it was nothing and that everybody is OK.
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting AA94 (Thread starter):
including one that says 3 FAMs were onboard

Wow, 3? I know that this is just one report, but how many FAMs do we have flying on all these flights? Must be expensive...
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:44 am

Also, looking at the flightpath, why didn't they just divert to BOS?
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 6):
why didn't they just divert to BOS?

Does DL have B763 service to BOS?

I'd say the main reason to return to the flight origin is that if the flight was cancelled, it would be a lot easier on the passengers.

Also BOS was a bit too close. It takes about 100-150nm to conduct a normal descent from FL370 where the plane was flying.
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:56 am

No device found: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ion=news/local/new_york&id=8734676

"it did not appear to even rise to the level of a hoax device"

Surprise.
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 7):
Does DL have B763 service to BOS?

They used to fly them to AMS. That's where N185DN was going when it clipped the CRJ900.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 7):
I'd say the main reason to return to the flight origin is that if the flight was cancelled, it would be a lot easier on the passengers.

Also BOS was a bit too close. It takes about 100-150nm to conduct a normal descent from FL370 where the plane was flying.

That makes sense.
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:07 am

By the way, it's now scheduled to depart at 3am from JFK!
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
That makes sense

I forgot to mention last night - according to various threads on these forums - the B767 series aircraft don't have fuel dump capacity, so the extra miles flown toward JFK help get the landing weight lower.
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:59 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
That makes sense.

To me it does not make sense to return to JFK. In this type of emergency situation, the standard protocol seems to be to get the plane on the ground as fast as possible. Perhaps BOS was better able to accommodate this. If you think about it, what if there WAS a bomb and it was on a timer set for 45 min. You could return to BOS in 30, JFK in 46 min. Of course the pilots don't know what is on board, but whatever airport can get you on the ground the quickest in this situation makes the most sense.

Technical, medical, and mechanical returns, if possible, should probably head back to airport of origin. That said, I was once on a flight from FRA-DFW on AA with a medical diversion right over LHR. We diverted to GLA instead with the 777. Go figure?

Lots of things play into where and when you divert I guess.
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 11):

Absolutely incorrect. Man, every time there is an incident with a Delta 767-300ER, somebody says this and is blatantly wrong...
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 12):
To me it does not make sense to return to JFK. In this type of emergency situation, the standard protocol seems to be to get the plane on the ground as fast as possible. Perhaps BOS was better able to accommodate this. If you think about it, what if there WAS a bomb and it was on a timer set for 45 min. You could return to BOS in 30, JFK in 46 min. Of course the pilots don't know what is on board, but whatever airport can get you on the ground the quickest in this situation makes the most sense.

Nice way to armchair QB this after the fact. How can you possibly make this statement if you weren't in the information loop as this incident is happening? There are any number of reasons why going back to JFK is the best decision.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 12):
Technical, medical, and mechanical returns, if possible, should probably head back to airport of origin.

You just contradicted yourself. So if a passenger's heart has stopped they shouldn't get the plane on the ground as soon as practical?

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 13):
Absolutely incorrect. Man, every time there is an incident with a Delta 767-300ER, somebody says this and is blatantly wrong...

Amen.

Incidentally, flight track is here: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...6/history/20120712/2335Z/KJFK/KJFK
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 12):

I don't know why, but I'm continued to be amazed at those who feel they know best how
to handle the situation than the PIC of the A/C who has much more information
than those sitting behind a computer screen at home or office.
 
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 13):
Absolutely incorrect. Man, every time there is an incident with a Delta 767-300ER, somebody says this and is blatantly wrong...
Quoting catiii (Reply 14):
Amen.

Incidentally, flight track is here: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D.../KJFK


Exactly. Every 767-200/300 Non-ER/ER with a MTOW above 360,000lbs was delivered with fuel dump system.

I believe DL's 763ERs are all 407,000lbs or 412,000lbs MTOW aircraft.

[Edited 2012-07-13 12:28:31]
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RE: DL126 Returns To JFK After Strange Device Found

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 15):
I don't know why, but I'm continued to be amazed at those who feel they know best how
to handle the situation than the PIC of the A/C who has much more information
than those sitting behind a computer screen at home or office.

Sheesh, ain't it the truth. And on top of that, to be so definitive about it.

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