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Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:41 pm

Billed as an in depth look at a D Check on a BA 747-436, at the airlines Cardiff Maintenance Base, this one hour program is on next Sunday and on i-player afterwards - for at least a week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l1w71

Obviously this is not viewable for Air Net members outside of the UK.
But make a note of it, might appear 'elsewhere on line'.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:49 pm

Thanks for the heads up , looks great and will be good in HD too . BBC still has some good quality programming unlike some of the rubbish we get from state TV over here . Shame iPlayer is not available outside the UK. I wouldnt mind paying an annual fee for that.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
I wouldnt mind paying an annual fee for that.

You can pay for a virtual UK IP address, then the BBC thinks you are in the UK and you get i player free.
My daughter does it in Sweden to watch the F1 races live. (they are not on Swedish TV)
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:25 pm

They did this before on the BBC years ago, I think it was 1989, and it was a BA 741 that was profiled, along with Concorde as well. And it had touched on the long-term prospects at the time for the first generation 747s and it noted that new 747s(the 744) were about to enter the fleet.
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:07 pm

Thanks for the heads up - probably would of missed that otherwise!
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:55 pm

Regular BBC has the demolition of a 747, I admit when I saw the heading I expected more than just the demolition which we have seen hundreds of times, I expected something going through the process or re-using the "stuff" versus just being told it would become a drink can.
Guess I expected too much from such a short piece  http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18833070
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 5):
Regular BBC has the demolition of a 747

The program is billed to cover both sides, a big check on an operational aircraft as well as what happens at the end of the 747's life. Your right though, that link is just a small excerpt from a hour long broadcast. That's hour as in no adverts!

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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:07 pm

Just started watching it; looks very good indeed. It's something that's likely to be repeated regularly, so you'll get to see it fairly often. Still, it's likely to be very educational and informative!
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:08 pm

Great show, couldn't help feeling a little teary eyed when the 747 was being ripped apart!!
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:38 pm

One minor mistake in the voice over - 'First time BA have allowed filming of a D check'. From memory, it has been filmed before, albeit on a BA B747-236 series. Probably first time on a 436. Yes, an anorak speaks!
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:56 pm

This is about the ex Air France B747-400 at Kemble.

I noted that there were 2 B747-400 at several points, so it was F-GITA/B/C
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 9):
'First time BA have allowed filming of a D check'. From memory, it has been filmed before, albeit on a BA B747-236 series. Probably first time on a 436. Yes, an anorak speaks!

Is that the 'Tale of Two Jumbos' filmed in the very early 80's that was made internally by BA?
(And has turned up on You-Tube?)

If so, you could argue that the TV people have never seen it. I did not until recently and I started working there a few years after it was made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKuX1dpcdKE

[Edited 2012-07-15 21:23:49]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub4a-iKUZjM&feature=relmfu


[Edited 2012-07-15 21:24:33]
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:34 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 10):
This is about the ex Air France B747-400 at Kemble.

I noted that there were 2 B747-400 at several points, so it was F-GITA/B/C

I thought it was a -400 initially, but then the cockpit was definitely from a Classic; I thought it might have been one of the Air India -300 Combis.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:20 am

I found the program very interesting.

I would just have liked to know more about their thoughts on where they found the crack in floor at the front of first class and, where they found a small section of skin detached from its fixings on the wing.
They made a point of showing these finds but really didn't give much explanation about the possible cause or if these are typical type failures or, what the possible consequences could be if left alone un-spotted, ie; were they insignificant.
If this is a six year check, those failures may have been there 2 or 3 years yet maybe not an issue in an industry sense knowing the 6 year check will find them....just a few unanswered questions that us non industry folk would find interesting, but a great program regardless.
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:28 am

It was a very interesting watch, the people who work there are very enthusiastic in their job, and you could see the pride when the 744 left CWL heading back to LHR
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:55 am

Have to say if all they found was that small crack and some delineation after 6 years then this plane will be flying forever!
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:55 am

Anyone know if it's on again, was out and forgot to set the Sky+
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:36 am

Am I the only one who misread the title as 'Stripping down IN a 747..' ?   

Will scour the net to see if I can find some.. alternate locations for this content. Thanks for the heads up!
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:21 am

GDB - Probably. The films on YouTube look like edited down highlights although the original films were longer.

The other observation is the use of safety glasses in the Hanger. Seems like H&S overkill to me but I imagine there has been an accident or an incident so the use has become mandatory.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:48 am

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Anyone know if it's on again, was out and forgot to set the Sky+

If you are in the UK you can watch it on i player - just search for engineering giants.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:54 am

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 18):
The other observation is the use of safety glasses in the Hanger. Seems like H&S overkill to me but I imagine there has been an accident or an incident so the use has become mandatory.

If its anything like the workshops I've worked in, its more than likely a case of 'we've got special visitors, so we have to do everything properly and by the book'. Chances are its not an everyday thing, its just because they're on the tv.
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 19):
Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Anyone know if it's on again, was out and forgot to set the Sky+

If you are in the UK you can watch it on i player - just search for engineering giants.

Off course - sorry brain fade!
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:36 pm

An interesting programme, good advert for BA Maintenance Services too! Was the work on the RB211 done in house or by the engine maintenance facility now owned by GE?
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 pm

Fine documentary indeed!
My only beef is with the presenter's hair. He looks like a student. I detest that neuveau style crap.
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:39 pm

The one next week is about Oil rigs I believe
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Anyone know if it's on again, was out and forgot to set the Sky+

It is repeated on BBC HD tonight at 10.30pm or Thursday BBC2 at 11.20pm. Otherwise as said above try BBC iPlayer.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:36 pm

Excellent programme, hopefully might remind some of the general public just what goes into flying next time they complain about their trip!

Quoting garpd (Reply 23):
My only beef is with the presenter's hair. He looks like a student. I detest that neuveau style crap.

That's not nouveau style crap, it's just crap!
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:11 pm

Great - just watched it. Brilliant programme, fantadstic to see the professionalism and dedication of the engineering teams.

The classic cockpit - wasn't that from a Nippon Cargo Airlines 747? The blue under the cockpit reminded me of one...

Thanks OP for sharing. Worth watching indeed!
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 20):
If its anything like the workshops I've worked in, its more than likely a case of 'we've got special visitors, so we have to do everything properly and by the book'. Chances are its not an everyday thing, its just because they're on the tv.

Nope - standard wear - been there as a visitor and we had to wear them and all the workers in the bays were wearing them then.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 18):
Seems like H&S overkill to me but I imagine there has been an accident or an incident so the use has become mandatory.

That's a common view, clearly they are required in a workshop/where any abrasive work is underway.
Though there is the issue of eye protection from any fluid drip from an aircraft.
Problem is, back in April when Boeing sent their 787 development aircraft to LHR, allowing visitors on it in the hangar, glasses were not required.
Why? Not enough to go around with all those visitors who are not issued them? Just too much hassle?
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:11 pm

Just finished watching it. Excellent programme.

One thing I was surprised to learn was how an emergency inflatable slide worked. I didn't realise that the majority of the slides air comes from outside ambient air that is sucked in (3 seconds max) If I have this right the bottles pump some, but not all air into the slide, that then generates a venturi effect in a nozzle or neck that then draws in the ambient air through openings in the slide through low pressure. I think that's how it worked. Need to watch it again.

Is there are danger with a water landing that the water could get sucked in? Although having said that I imagine that the engineers couldn't imagine a scenario where a B747-400 would surivive a water landing intact to be able to deploy a slide anyway.

Also surprised the aircraft wasn't repainted after a D-Check, just washed, certainly appeared it needed a repaint, given the plane had a new plane smell on the inside, (comment made by presenter, classic!) why not the outside as well?
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting CaptainKramer (Reply 30):
Also surprised the aircraft wasn't repainted after a D-Check, just washed, certainly appeared it needed a repaint, given the plane had a new plane smell on the inside, (comment made by presenter, classic!) why not the outside as well?

To paint a B747 takes over a week. During this time only the painters are in the hangar. Which would mean that the other 200 engineers would have nothing to do.
All BAs painting is carried out in a special bay at LHR. (and some at EMA and MAD nowadays!)

Quoting CaptainKramer (Reply 30):
If I have this right the bottles pump some, but not all air into the slide, that then generates a venturi effect in a nozzle or neck that then draws in the ambient air through openings in the slide through low pressure.

Yes correct. The px bottles on the slide operate a venturi jet pump.

Quoting CaptainKramer (Reply 30):
Is there are danger with a water landing that the water could get sucked in?

The slide goes out horizontally as it inflates, and then falls down onto the ground.

Sorry haven't seen the programme yet. No i-player here.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:35 pm

Does anyone know if they aircraft would have needed an air-test after this D-Check?
There was no mention of it.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:54 pm

Hope this shows up on BBC America.
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:55 pm

They performed an engine run up ground test, running up each engine individually. Then as far as I could tell from the programme the aircraft was delivered that night to fly a schedualed flight to somewhere in South America the following day. So if they didn't do a test flight they may of discovered any problems on the way from Cardiff to London or worse somewhere across the Atlantic Ocean.

Having said that I imagine none of the ground engineers would of signed off if they weren't satisfied 100%. Having also said that there was that one time were a A320 was in for a check up not sure if it was a A,B,C or D check, but somehow the Captains side stick had been rewired incorrectly or reinstalled incorrectly so the roll command for left was right and right was left.

At rotation the crew got the surprise of their lives (and not while checking flight controls on the ground tsk, tsk look for the abnormal not the normal, they say), the co-pilot read the situation and switched control to his side stick and saved the day, mainly because the engineer was having a good day, when he installed the side stick on his side.

Thanks Tristarsteve. Venturi jet pump, you learn something new everyday.

[Edited 2012-07-16 15:56:39]

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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:11 am

Great Special I saw it. It goes to show the hard work that the MX people put into every check
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:14 am

iirc, the airline was LH, but I do not remember any more about that incident.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:42 am

This was a brilliant programme - found it absolutely fascinating!
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 32):
Does anyone know if they aircraft would have needed an air-test after this D-Check?

Not normally.

The B737 gets regular test flights because of its manual ailerons and elevators. If they have been touched during maintenance then a test flight is reqd for manual reversion.
But B744 needs a test flight rarely.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:07 pm

What an absorbing/interesting programme, just my type of TV! It's not often you see a 747 stripped down to the bare bones. What we saw were the men and women who keep us safe in the air and get us from A to B. Great stuff.
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:38 pm

Does anyone know if/when this program will be showing in the states?
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:05 pm

Moderators, please delete this. Posted in error

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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:08 am

That was truly awesome in my opinion. Aviation porn at its finest. We all know that these aircraft are incredibly complex, but my goodness you don't realize just HOW complex until you see something like this. And you don't realize how expensive they are to operate and maintain until you see some of those details too!
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:46 am

The cockpit of the scrapped aircraft was Air India B743 VT-EPX for those that have been wondering. You can see the last 2 letters "PX" of the reg on the engineers panel and also the letters HKJM which is/was its selcal code.   
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:16 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 40):
Does anyone know if/when this program will be showing in the states?

Do you get BBC America? Not that it's at all certain it would air on that channel.
Possibly could be sold to Quest or National Geographic, or similar.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 44):
Do you get BBC America?

No, only BBC "World". Hoping it airs on National Geographic or better yet, Smithsonian Channel.
 
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RE: Stripping Down A 747 - BBC2 20.00 Sunday 15th July

Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:22 am

I have the programme stored locally in .wmv format. If you guys outside the UK can hook me up with somewhere to upload it to I'll do it for you so can you watch.    I have used stagevu.com in the past for stuff like this but it seems the site has more-or-less shut down and they aren't accepting any new uploads.

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