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Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:25 pm

According to GDS starting October 27, 2012 Delta Airlines will up-gauge equipment on the Atlanta- Buenos Aires route from 767-300ER to A330-200. Interesting to see them up-gauge during the slow season or is South America traffic stronger in the Northern Hemisphere's winter?
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:29 pm

That's almost southern hemisphere summer - it's a busy time (though January-February is the highest point for most US-South America routes). That's a nice hard product upgrade as well, at least with regard to the non-upgraded 763s.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:27 pm

Does DL serve JFK-EZE?
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:40 pm

Not only will Delta upgauge equipment on the ATL-EZE route, but ATL-LIM will also get an A332 during the northern hemisphere's winter (according to GDS). 


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Quoting klwright69 (Reply 2):
Does DL serve JFK-EZE?

No, Delta doesn't operate JFK-EZE.

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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:07 pm

Traffic is much stronger in the Northern winter. AA is also putting more frequency of MIAEZE and putting a 777 on DFWEZE.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:10 pm

Could it be to hold more cargo and not just additional people? There is a lot of perishables coming out of South America during the North American winter months.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:10 am

Which route might the 332 be pulled off of to free up this bird? Are there any spares floating around the system?
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting N126DL (Reply 6):
Which route might the 332 be pulled off of to free up this bird? Are there any spares floating around the system?

No doubt routes like ATL-AMS, ATL-DUB and ATL-LOS. ATL-LOS was just announced to be flat bed on the 767.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:57 am

Interesting.

ATL-GIG goes back to 764 also.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting N126DL (Reply 6):
Which route might the 332 be pulled off of to free up this bird? Are there any spares floating around the system?

According to the http://airlineroute.net/, JFK-SVO, and JFK-CDG were supposed to be A332 this winter, but will now be 767-400. That could be the answer.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:50 am

It has to be 2 332s to come out of Europe to fun ATL-EZE. Also does a 332 have more capacity pax and cargo than a 763. I don't consider avod to be a gauge upgrade.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:53 am

Could this flight also be upgauged since the 763ERs are undergoing head to tail cabin renovations? This is the perfect time to do this.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 3):
No, Delta doesn't operate JFK-EZE.

But they used to correct?
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:13 am

Important to say the A332 on DL is less premium than even the 763. With just 32J shows that DL is expecting less premium demand from EZE in fact.

The 764 for example offers 40J in the flat bed configuration (as well as the AVOD system), and the 763, 30 or 36J.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:41 am

Do AR, LA etc up-gauge their craft too, during this season, to the U.S.?
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:53 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):
Do AR, LA etc up-gauge their craft too, during this season, to the U.S.?

LA is increasing frequencies on many routes to the U.S. starting in September using the B763s. LA's A343s will be used to increase flights into AKL and SYD during the high season.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:33 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):
It has to be 2 332s to come out of Europe to fun ATL-EZE.

DL, and every other carrier, has plenty of airplanes not flying to Europe in the northern Winter.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):
Do AR, LA etc up-gauge their craft too, during this season, to the U.S.?

AR doesn't even know what year it's operating; it certainly doesn't know what season
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:05 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
ortant to say the A332 on DL is less premium than even the 763. With just 32J shows that DL is expecting less premium demand from EZE in fact.

The 764 for example offers 40J in the flat bed configuration (as well as the AVOD system), and the 763, 30 or 36J.

Remember, on the non-upgraded 763s and all the 764s it's actually 29 or 35 (763) and 39 (764) due to one seat being blocked for the non-flying pilot.

I think it has more to do with the rear cabin. The 764 would be perfect but they're all tied up flying to LHR and th big *A hubs among other places.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:31 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Traffic is much stronger in the Northern winter. AA is also putting more frequency of MIAEZE and putting a 777 on DFWEZE.

Starting in October, AR will also increase frequency on the EZE-MIA route to 2x daily, (A343). Thus, there will be 6 daily non-stop flights between EZE and MIA.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Important to say the A332 on DL is less premium than even the 763. With just 32J shows that DL is expecting less premium demand from EZE in fact.

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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12):

Yes very briefly we operated JFK-EZE-JFK.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Remember, on the non-upgraded 763s and all the 764s it's actually 29 or 35 (763) and 39 (764) due to one seat being blocked for the non-flying pilot.

Well pointed but it seems the 764 is nowadays a superior product. DL this week announced their plans to keep ATL-GIG as 764 and to use , as soon as they become available an updated 763 on DTW-GRU.
It seems South America become a priority for Delta.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
It seems South America become a priority for Delta.

It's a big shift, as hard product has historically not been a priority for the US legacies to South America. Many AA flights have been on AB6, 752 and 763 product with awful and uncompetitive products, and the (old configuration) 763 was traditionally the mainstay of DL's South America service. Heck, DL even used domestic configured 764s to LIM for a while in the 2005-2007 time frame.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):

It's a big shift, as hard product has historically not been a priority for the US legacies to South America. Many SA)">AA flights have been on AB6, 752 and 763 product with awful and uncompetitive products, and the (old configuration) 763 was traditionally the mainstay of SA)">DL's South America service. Heck, SA)">DL even used domestic configured 764s to LIM for a while in the 2005-2007 time frame.

It's great they are trying to offer a better product now.

Heck before that, they were flying 757s on ATL-LIM for years! Isn't it accurate to say it's the shortest flight into deep SA?
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):

For what I consider deep SA I'd think so. BSB is a ways away and DL flies there daily with 757s.
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):
Heck before that, they were flying 757s on ATL-LIM for years! Isn't it accurate to say it's the shortest flight into deep SA?

LIM is barely on the "deep South America threshold", at only 3,200NM from ATL, while GIG, GRU and EZE are all 4,700-5,000NM from ATL.

Northern markets in Colombia and Venezuela and even Ecuador are all under 2,500NM from ATL.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting PDPsol (Reply 25):

So, what is it?..

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):

Well pointed but it seems the 764 is nowadays a superior product. DL this week announced their plans to keep ATL-GIG as 764 and to use , as soon as they become available an updated 763 on DTW-GRU.
It seems South America become a priority for Delta.

Good point. Wasn't EZE another route that regularly got the 764 when it was 36F (domestic F)?
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 26):
Wasn't EZE another route that regularly got the 764 when it was 36F (domestic F)?

No, they never flew the domestic 764 down to EZE; you may have been thinking of LIM.

EZE has always had real BusinessElite-configured aircraft.
 
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RE: Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332

Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 27):

No, they never flew the domestic 764 down to EZE; you may have been thinking of LIM.

EZE has always had real BusinessElite-configured aircraft.

Indeed correct. So what does that say about LIM? Even today it usually gets a 76G on alternating days vs. a regular 763ER.
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