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Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:29 pm

It is a simple question; why hasn't Virgin America partnered with any US airline? They have many international partnerships outside of the Virgin brand (Air China, Cathay Pacific, NZ and a few more).

But the question is why haven't they signed anything with any US airlines? Yes it is a small niche airline, but it is growing rapidly.

I think it would really cool to see VX and B6 partner up, they have a pretty complimentary network.
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RE: Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:53 pm

A look at the route map means they're overlapping with all 4 legacies now with the addition of PHL. They are also in direct competition with B6 and AS. WN partners with no US airline, they buy them instead. NK is the polar opposite of VX in terms of inflight experience. F9 is morphing into an ULCC and the systems don't mesh well. HA's style and network mesh best with VX, but HA is already in bed with several other US carriers to different degrees so that leaves.....WHO?
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RE: Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:46 pm

Obviously it's because no one cares for VX. Their arrival on the scene was tainted by controversy over the citizenship of their intital investors in defiance of U.S. law. Only after the US Dept. of Transportation forced them to readjust their ownership were they deemed legal to continue operating as a majority U.S. owned carrier.

They'll always be the black sheep after that....basically no one will work with them or basically have anything to do with them. VX doesn't even have interline agreements (standard practice in the industry...allows for honoring each other's tickets or transfering luggage) with any U.S. airline except one....HA.

From the VX website: Virgin America has interline agreements with Virgin Australia, Virgin Atlantic, Air New Zealand, Emirates, Korean Air, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, South African Airways, El Al, Qantas, China Airlines, Ethiopian Airlines, Hawaiian Airlines and Air Pacific.
 
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RE: Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 2):
They'll always be the black sheep after that

I don't think any airline really cares about that... if they are a smart airline, they'll inquire how much money can be made from the deal. Obviously, no one finds VX attractive
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RE: Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:35 am

They are bleeding cash, and have a "new uniform" - they need to get their act together before they seek a partnership with another US carrier.
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RE: Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:44 am

I think it is the simple fact (as stated above) that no other airline wants to partner with them. They are a direct competitor to the major carriers and the smaller/regional carriers don't seem to care either.

Carriers like AA, DL, UA, WN and AS would rather want to see them out of business...

Just my opinion...


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RE: Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:36 am

Are we talking about a partnership as in Code Share agreements or Interline agreements? Further, Virgin America may be able to seek out better agreements due to having a new reservations system. They are now using Sabre and you may see more carriers show interest in doing buisness with them. Its also important to remember IET agreement are expensive. I however think that an agreement with a smaller carrrier such as Frontier Airlines might be better suited to thier needs.
 
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RE: Why Hasn't VX Partnered With Any US Airline Yet?

Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting eastalt (Reply 6):
Are we talking about a partnership as in Code Share agreements or Interline agreements?

That's why I spelled out the differrence between a code-share and an interline agreement in my above post. Other airlines won't even DO an interline agreement with them. An interline agreement is THE most basic form of reciprocity there is in the airline industry.

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