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TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:14 pm

I haven't seen this posted anywhere on here (and did a search) but I came across this article and I'm shocked, as if the Heathrow security agents weren't bad enough, we've got the TSA here as well. My question is, will they be conducting security checks instead of the regular agents and if there's going to be a "terrorist attack" then surely that'll be on flights coming in and not with the people getting out of the country? I hope to god they're not at LHR or MAN next week when I go on holiday!

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-staff-uk-airports-during-olympics
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:23 pm

What powers do TSA agents have outside of US jurisdiction? Zero I should think so what they'll actually be doing I don't have a clue?
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:26 pm

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 1):
What powers do TSA agents have outside of US jurisdiction? Zero I should think

Do they have any in the USA? They just act like they do. :p

I guess they can make a stranger strip naked. You used to have to be a hypnotist to do that.
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:29 pm

This is going to be one fun thread!
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:32 pm

Oh wow this is going to be fun. Mind you I haven't seen it reported over here although the article states otherwise, but perhaps it's in the same vane that the FBI/CIA & Mossad are also participating in Olympic security.

Edit: I just saw the Daily Mail article, which also states they will not be allowed past boarding gates or onboard British aircraft.

The part that bothers me is this....

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A spokesman for London Heathrow told the Mail last night: 'The US Transportation Security Administration requested, some time ago, to base a small number of staff at Heathrow and other UK airports to assist the additional numbers of US passengers travelling to and from the UK ahead of the Olympics.
'We agreed to give them access at Heathrow.'

So the TSA wanted access to Heathrow instead of being offered the chance to help

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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:41 pm

I'd like to know which buffoon invited the TSA over in the first place. The sooner this olympic farce is over the better.
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 1):
What powers do TSA agents have outside of US jurisdiction?

Whatever powers Her Majesty's Government deigns to give them, I should think.

And they might not be present as TSA staff. They could be hired as temporary contract staff, for example, and delegated to the same authority that handles UK airport security.

[Edited 2012-07-17 09:42:57]
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
They could be hired as temporary contract staff, for example, and delegated to the same authority that handles UK airport security.

I suppose but I doubt many TSA agents have the right to work in the EU, how would they get around that?
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 5):
I'd like to know which buffoon invited the TSA over in the first place. The sooner this olympic farce is over the better.

Completely agree with you, exactly why I'm going on holiday from the opening to the closing of the Olympics!

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Whatever powers Her Majesty's Government deigns to give them, I should think.

And they might not be present as TSA staff. They could be hired as temporary contract staff, for example, and delegated to the same authority that handles UK airport security.

So I ask again, why do we need them? Heathrow's security is pretty tight as it is, when was the last time you heard of a terrorist boarding a flight from LHR? Moreover, who's paying for them to be here?
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting planejamie (Reply 8):
Moreover, who's paying for them to be here?

They'll say G4S, but the real answer is the UK taxpayer.
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:52 pm

I swear if some people didn't have anything to be unhappy about their hearts would simply give out! In practice, in London, they'd get told where to go if they got involved in anything non American. Try standing on the wrong side of a tube escalator and see how patient we are. There may br a genuine need for more hands on deck but given the predicted travel chaos has not appeared yet at LHR, much to the dismay of the press, life goes on. The major issue with the TSA is that many of us detest being stopped by a fat blue collar worker.
 
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 10):
I swear if some people didn't have anything to be unhappy about their hearts would simply give out! In practice, in London, they'd get told where to go if they got involved in anything non American. Try standing on the wrong side of a tube escalator and see how patient we are. There may br a genuine need for more hands on deck but given the predicted travel chaos has not appeared yet at LHR, much to the dismay of the press, life goes on. The major issue with the TSA is that many of us detest being stopped by a fat blue collar worker.

The issue isn't that they're providing security at the games/in London, it's that they're going to be involved with airport security at LHR. Given that there will be no "travel chaos" because there's no increase in flights (so the same number of passengers that usually pass through maybe an increase of 2-3%) and the fact that most of the people going out during the next few weeks are avoiding the games, I don't see why they're needed at the airports at all! I'm not one to be unhappy usually, but this does annoy me quite a lot especially as they have no reason to be here and we'll probably pay for them!
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:10 pm

Sucks to be flying into EGLL, I feel sorry for all that have to. But look on the bright side, you will only have to deal with them, for 2 weeks... We have to for ever...

I hope the worse ones get sent over so everybody that has never been to the states post 9-11 can experience what we have to go through every day. And all the naysayers in all the TSA threads who say they can't be that bad get to have some fun.

I bet money on it we will see at least 10 reports throughout the games. I would would also bet they are going to try and do things use like in the US.
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:12 pm

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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:15 pm

HAHAHA

TSA is going to be exporting its capable, qualified, top notch group of motivated employees?? (Do us a favor, keep'em)
 
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting planejamie (Reply 8):
So I ask again, why do we need them? Heathrow's security is pretty tight as it is, when was the last time you heard of a terrorist boarding a flight from LHR? Moreover, who's paying for them to be here?

Because we thought you guys needed some laughs with all of the pressure of the Olympics. The US will probably paying them and it will probably be the higher level TSA agents so that they can get a free trip to London.

So they want to "assist" the additional US passengers going to and from the Olympics. So are they going to check the Americans before they have to go through British Customs and vis versa when they leave London? This seems to be redundant and creating an unneeded bottleneck for Americans.

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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:20 pm

I just hope to god the UK personnel don't pick up on any "new procedures" the TSA may demonstrate on how we can "tighten security"...

That said, at least you guys across the pond are actually allowed to opt out of scanners. That is the one thing that outrages me here. At least they haven't installed any at BHX yet.
 
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 16):
That said, at least you guys across the pond are actually allowed to opt out of scanners. That is the one thing that outrages me here. At least they haven't installed any at BHX yet.

I don't have an issue with the scanners at MAN, all they see is an outline of your body and don't even know who it is. Last time I went through (it is a random/if you make the metal detector beep decision on if you go through them) I opted in to using it (Terminal 3 was empty) just to see what it was like.


Aside... I hope they get stuck in 'massive' border queue at LHR (like the press is reporting there will be) and by the time they get through the Olympics finish!

On a serious note, I guess LHR Terminal 5 will be TSA-free given no US airline uses that terminal
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:30 pm

Having experienced both TSA and the security at LHR, TSA wins hands down any day. The security folks at LHR are brain-dead robots. I hope the security folks at LHR pick up from TSA on how to treat passengers in a civil manner and also use their brains once in a while.
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting planejamie (Reply 17):
I don't have an issue with the scanners at MAN, all they see is an outline of your body and don't even know who it is.

I don't personally have an issue with the privacy aspect of them either ( although it is a valid concern I appreciate some may have).

My objection is simply to the principle of being forced under duress (by threat of being denied boarding) to expose myself to potentially ionising radiation of which no conclusive, impartial study has been done into its long term effects.

Although that's all a bit off-topic so I wont say any more  
 
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting planejamie (Thread starter):

The original post does not make clear who requested the "help".
Was it a case of the US offering boots on the ground, or the Brits asking for help up front.

Quoting g500 (Reply 14):
(Do us a favor, keep'em)

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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:56 pm

From what I understand, the TSA is there to help with flights to the USA only, in a consulting role, probably to do secondary screening on passengers that the US wants more checks on or that the Brits flag themselves, not doing frontline screening).

There is a lot of blame going on for the understaffing of security for the games, with one of the contractors falling short of qualifying staff by up to 50% (up to 6000 short staffed). But they were not responsible for the airport, so the Queen's govmint must also be short on staff. Or possibly they are pulling planned military from LHR to use at the games and the US offered some TSA agents to cover US flights as a make-up staff? Either way, everyone was worried about Athens being ready back when they had the games, or that Beijing wouldn't get the venues finished on time, but everyone assumed London could handle things. I think that was giving 21st century Britain too much credit.

The Olympics are a fustercluck in any nation. It's why I hope the IOC continues to dismiss USA bids for the games. We just don't need that hassle. And it would show the world just how far we've fallen...  
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:07 pm

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 5):
I'd like to know which buffoon invited the TSA over in the first place.

George W. Bush was the President at the time, although I believe that Congress assisted with the creation of DHS after 9/11. The TSA is under DHS, which is part of the Executive Branch. There was no TSA before 9/11.

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 7):
I suppose but I doubt many TSA agents have the right to work in the EU, how would they get around that?

It's a matter of visas and paperwork. Seeing as how it seems that they are there at the request of the UK government, arranging those details should be trivial.
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:11 pm

I don't really see why this is causing a fuss. Yes, it's annoying and some might feel like Britain loses "face" with these sorts of stories, but it's not like LHR's entire security has been replaced by the TSA. If the TSA wants to impose extra security on flights to and from America, I don't see why not. The Olympics are obviously a huge security risk, and I think we'd all rather be safe than sorry - though I'm not saying I enjoy my encounters with the TSA at all, I don't bother whining, we just get over it. Israeli security for their flights, as we all know, is above and beyond any of this, and I am sure they will be extra vigilant as well with flights to and from London.
 
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:16 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 12):
But look on the bright side, you will only have to deal with them, for 2 weeks... We have to for ever...

...they're arriving next week and staying till one week after the end of the paralympics, so mid/end of September. That's a long while...

Quoting g500 (Reply 14):
TSA is going to be exporting its capable, qualified, top notch group of motivated employees?? (Do us a favor, keep'em)

....I thought there was some kind of UN convention banning the export of toxic waste to other countries?

More seriously, I think that at this stage any qualified help is welcome, the system seems to be in a bit of a meltdown in London at the moment....
 
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting blrsea (Reply 18):
The security folks at LHR are brain-dead robots. I hope the security folks at LHR pick up from TSA on how to treat passengers in a civil manner and also use their brains once in a while.

   I really hope this post is a p***-take. If Heathrow security are brain-dead then I dread to think what neurosurgery has been performed on the average TSA agent.   
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:16 am

I believe this was always going to be the plan - it is not something that has arisen due to the issues of G4S or understaffing stories you may have read elsewhere. It was a plan made before that.

It is obvious - and I don't know why people have even thought otherwise - that the TSA people will be working with passengers travelling to and from the USA. They are obviously not going to be frisking families of 4 on a package holiday to Majorca. Geez!

The differences in rules, the law, let alone cultural differences of what is allowed would therefore not allow TSA agents to be involved in regular security operations here.

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 19):
My objection is simply to the principle of being forced under duress (by threat of being denied boarding) to expose myself to potentially ionising radiation of which no conclusive, impartial study has been done into its long term effects.

Well I'm afraid you bide by the UK conditions of security to travel on an aircraft here - if you don't like it you simply take another form of transport.

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 5):
I'd like to know which buffoon invited the TSA over in the first place. The sooner this olympic farce is over the better.

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Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:17 am

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 24):

More seriously, I think that at this stage any qualified help is welcome, the system seems to be in a bit of a meltdown in London at the moment....

I live in London and use the airports every few days (yesterday, LHR T5, was the most recent and the experience was extremely smooth and easy) - I don't see any evidence of "meltdown" here - don't believe what you read in the Daily Mail!  

Some media, the Daily Mail particularly, seem determined to print nothing but Olympic bad news stories - this is giving a seriously slanted view of reality.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:20 am

Sounds more like a small team send to assist the host country & under Uk authority.....But this is interesting....
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:54 pm

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 7):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
They could be hired as temporary contract staff, for example, and delegated to the same authority that handles UK airport security.

I suppose but I doubt many TSA agents have the right to work in the EU, how would they get around that?

Back in the late 90's before the 2000 Olympics, the Federal government here in Oz created a temporary new visa class - Olympic Visa's, only valid for about 6 months from memory, possibly the UK's done the same and extended it somewhat
(back then for Olympic Athletes and support staff as well as Olympic "family")

I have no problem with airport security, but how I saw it administered in the US kinda shocked me - I still have a vivid memory of pre Christmas traffic at LAX and the TSA twits deciding to pull one of their "everybody freeze" drills

[Edited 2012-07-18 06:01:32]
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:28 pm

I'm with blrsea... I'd take TSA any day over security staff at Heathrow.
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RE: TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics

Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 14):
TSA is going to be exporting its capable, qualified, top notch group of motivated employees?? (Do us a favor, keep'em)

Maybe they'll learn something.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:57 pm

We had a bomb threat on a plane a few months ago. Someone had written the word "bomb" on the lavatory mirror and this was discovered only after all passengers had deplaned the aircraft and a final cabin walk through was being performed. The TSA at LGA was immediately notified and they told us, and I quote "We can't do nothing about that sir, you need to go to the main ticket counter and tell them..." I will say though, that there have been some airports where the TSA agents have been more than professional, but they are typically found in smaller airports serving smaller cities. My hope is that the TSA will send some of their more professional men and women that work for them to the London Olympics as a special treat for their hard work and dedication.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 27):
I live in London and use the airports every few days (yesterday, LHR T5, was the most recent and the experience was extremely smooth and easy) - I don't see any evidence of "meltdown" here - don't believe what you read in the Daily Mail!

...haven't been to London in a while (I travel over to Manchester most of the time), over here even the French media have started running stories... I fly every few days as well and after extensive testing my favorite airport to transfer through is Amsterdam. Very polite customs and immigration, efficient security.

Last month coming back from Texas they caught a J class pax who had a loaded pistol clip full of .45 ammo. Bumped into the guy at the Crown lounge afterwards, turns out he had a CCW back in TX, left the gun at home but forgot about his spare clip. TSA didn't spot it, but re-screening at AMS caught it...
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:35 pm

I can't say agree with the TSA working at Heathrow.

Its not like suddenly last week we found out London was the host Olympic city. Its been 6+ years, enough time for BAA and Heathrow to organise temporary security or train staff from other departments to cover the busy periods in the 8 week period.

Whats next?

A Carrier battle group anchored in the Thames estuary or Patriot Missile battery's parked in Hyde park?
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 34):
Patriot Missile battery's parked in Hyde park?

The missiles are already stationed on top of a residential building in London. If I am not mistaken one of the Royal Navy landing ships (HMS Ocean?) will be stationed in the estuary.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 35):
The missiles are already stationed on top of a residential building in London. If I am not mistaken one of the Royal Navy landing ships (HMS Ocean?) will be stationed in the estuary.

Yeah sarcasm doesn't work on a keyboard.

Its actually funny seeing the soldiers on the missiles in just basic combat fatigues, next to members of the MET police, tooled up with full body armour, an MP5 submachine gun and a Glock 9mm strapped to the thigh.
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