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ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:52 am

ANA as part of its JV with United will be launching Tokyo to Delhi India service effective October 27th.

Flight is timed to connect to NH and UA North America services at NRT.

Schedule:
NH917 NRT-DEL 1720-0020 B763
NH918 DEL-NRT 0125-1250 B763


This is ANA's second destination in India. Currently Mumbai is served with its premium configured 737 aircraft..

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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:09 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Flight is timed to connect to NH and UA North America services at NRT.

With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:15 am

In the DEL -> NRT -> US direction, you may need a overnight layover if you are flying to NYC, WAS or CHI but you'll have a generous approximate 4 hour layover if travelling to SEA, SFO or LAX.
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:21 am

Posted sample schedules on the ANA site are only for their own services.

NYC, IAD and ORD can connect on UA respective departures within a few hours along with UA services to IAH, HNL, GUM, SEA, SFO, LAX etc.

No need for overnight in Tokyo. Just mix/match flights across the two airlines.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 2):
In the DEL -> NRT -> US direction, you may need a overnight layover if you are flying to NYC, WAS or CHI but you'll have a generous approximate 4 hour layover if travelling to SEA, SFO or LAX.

So if you're going to the west coast, going through NRT is shorter and faster. If you're going to the east coast, chances are flying direct to JFK or connect in Europe is faster.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:25 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.

You are just looking at the NH flights that the DEL flight could connect to. Remember that this flight is operated as part of the joint venture with UA so for all intents and purposes UA and NH operate as one across the Pacific (and on certain intra-asia flights)

ORD 1635 UA882
IAD 1555 UA804
EWR 1635 UA78
IAH 1555 UA6

All of which are 3-3.5 hours from the time that the DEL flight arrives.
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:25 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.

Huh? Its well timed for UA's evening bank from NRT to EWR, LAX, SFO and ORD, what else are you looking for?
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:30 am

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 2):
In the DEL -> NRT -> US direction, you may need a overnight layover if you are flying to NYC, WAS or CHI
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):

NYC, IAD and ORD can connect on UA respective departures within a few hours
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
If you're going to the east coast, chances are flying direct to JFK or connect in Europe is faster.

That's what UA's EWRDEL is for
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Posted sample schedules on the ANA site are only for their own services.

Ah, quite right. Interesting that if NH is launching this route in cooperation with UA and their JV, NH wouldn't include the best connections available with UA as well. But then airline advertising isn't my line of work.  
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
ANA as part of its JV with United will be launching Tokyo to Delhi India

What other beyond NRT flights are part of the JV?
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.
Quoting cslusarc (Reply 2):
In the DEL -> NRT -> US direction, you may need a overnight layover if you are flying to NYC, WAS or CHI

If you need to fly to NYC, IAD or ORD, you do not need to fly through NRT.
You can easily fly DEL-EWR nonstop on UA or even fly LH or LX with a single connection.
 
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:05 am

This is so cool. Any idea what a/c they will be using? I know that JAL intends to utilize the 787 on the NRTDEL route.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:11 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 11):

From the schedule above it says a 763. I wonder if this is an Air Nippon one like the ones they send to MNL.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:15 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 12):
From the schedule above it says a 763. I wonder if this is an Air Nippon one like the ones they send to MNL.

Isn't it called Air Japan or something? I am flying on it in late October, close to the launch date of DEL.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:17 am

On the Asia end IIRC at the moment its Japan, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
I’m sure they and Oneworld would like to add China but bilateral is not free enough to do so. Also for some reason they excluded South Korea from the JV even tough its open-skies.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 11):
I know that JAL intends to utilize the 787 on the NRTDEL route.

JAL already operates NRT-DEL 4x weekly with the B-787-8 and weekly with the B772. In December, JAL will increase frequency and capacity on the NRT-DEL route by deploying the B772 on the route daily.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:47 am

Japan-DEL is not currently flown by NH? That's new to me.

Guess this shows how small the local market is relatively speaking. I at least know India is not big for Japanese tourists.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
That's what UA's EWRDEL is for

Yeah that's what I meant   I knew it was somewhere in that area ... lol
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:13 pm

I think this route is long overdue. I thought DEL would have been served before BOM, but as you have mentioned, a premium configured 73G flies NRT-BOM
 
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 12):
From the schedule above it says a 763. I wonder if this is an Air Nippon one like the ones they send to MNL.

I believe it will be as majority if not all the ANA 767-300ERs are now operated by the Air Japan subsidiary.

Once schedules are up in GDS (I guess by the weekend) we will know for sure.

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 16):
Japan-DEL is not currently flown by NH? That's new to me.

Guess this shows how small the local market is relatively speaking. I at least know India is not big for Japanese tourists.

Yeah for being such major economic nations, the two have very little direct service between them.
Air India for instance surprisingly only serves NRT twice weekly !
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 16):
Japan-DEL is not currently flown by NH? That's new to me.

Guess this shows how small the local market is relatively speaking. I at least know India is not big for Japanese tourists.

ChinaIndia is even more sparse, particularly compared to the size of the populations though the trade between the two is meager.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

ANA as part of its JV with United will be launching Tokyo to Delhi India service effective October 27th.

Is there any confirmation that this is a part of the UA/ NH JV? Isn't that restricted to the trans-pacific sectors (like the UA/ LH JV is restricted to trans-atlantic from what I know)?

Given UA already serves Delhi on it's own metal, and via FRA/ MUC on JV partner LH, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they were adding NRT-DEL as well.

Of course it could just be a code share, but I'm not sure it's a JV (joint costs, joint revenues).
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:47 pm

One interesting thing is that on USA-NRT-DEL, UA will be the one offering the better hard product since the 767 fleet at ANA does not have fully flat seats. Of course, soft product is different too.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 21):

Given UA already serves Delhi on it's own metal, and via FRA/ MUC on JV partner LH, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they were adding NRT-DEL as well.

Going via NRT saves about 500 miles over EWR or FRA. It's not that significant, but from the west coast, it is a bit shorter going via Asia.

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Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 21):
Isn't that restricted to the trans-pacific sectors

I stand corrected, it extends to domestic flights at both ends as well.

From: http://www.businesstraveller.asia/as...ental-and-ana-launch-joint-venture

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The revenue sharing agreement applies to 120 flights per week: US domestic flight segments on United or Continental, transpacific segments with ANA, United or Continental and flights within Japan on ANA.

Also: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...cific-joint-venture-119064409.html

Quote:
The trans-Pacific joint venture connects 295 U.S. cities, 43 Japanese cities, and 11 routes between the two countries with nearly 120 flights per week. The carriers also are coordinating fares and schedules for travel to and from certain other points in Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean.

Could the NRT-DEL be part of the JV under the point in bold above? Can't say for sure until we see an announcement from UA or NH.
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 21):
Given UA already serves Delhi on it's own metal, and via FRA/ MUC on JV partner LH, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they were adding NRT-DEL as well.

Pax from west coast would definitely benefit from this. Going via EWR or FRA is much longer.

Take SFO-DEL. Via NRT is 14% longer than GC nonstop, but 23% longer via FRA or 28% longer via EWR.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 24):
Pax from west coast would definitely benefit from this. Going via EWR or FRA is much longer.

Yeah, I definitely appreciate this. Currently the fastest SFO-DEL flights are through HKG on CX (~26h), but the return trip is longer (~33h). This NH service with UA transpac (or NH transpac) should work well for me/other regular SFO-DEL travellers.

I find myself doing a mix of HKG (CX), FRA (UA/LH), or EWR (UA) transits currently.
 
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 21):
Isn't that restricted to the trans-pacific sectors (like the UA/ LH JV is restricted to trans-atlantic from what I know)?

See my Reply 14.

The JV covers far beyond just TransPac sectors. For example last year ANA was able to launched NRT-Manila under guise of the JV.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 22):
since the 767 fleet at ANA does not have fully flat seats.

True, but for premium passengers they are rolling out a decent "Cradle Seat" with 59-inches pitch on longer haul 767 sectors.

And for Y class, ANA is a good experience all around, including AVOD, powerports and USD connections and 34 inch pitch.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 26):
See my Reply 14.

The JV covers far beyond just TransPac sectors. For example last year ANA was able to launched NRT-Manila under guise of the JV.

Does this mean cost and profit sharing between UA and NH on NRT-MNL? Or is it limited to schedule coordination and a code share?
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 26):

True, but for premium passengers they are rolling out a decent "Cradle Seat" with 59-inches pitch on longer haul 767 sectors.

And for Y class, ANA is a good experience all around, including AVOD, powerports and USD connections and 34 inch pitch.

And ANA has a very similar seat on its 767s as JAL does on the 787 flying the same route.
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 27):
Does this mean cost and profit sharing between UA and NH on NRT-MNL? Or is it limited to schedule coordination and a code share?

Yes accordingly share cost & revenues.

From news story when the Manila service was launched:

According to Mr. Koji Nagata, United’s director for Asia-Pacific Communications, they will continue Continental’s Guam route while a joint venture agreement will carry passengers up to Tokyo, capitalizing on ANA’s new Manila-Tokyo daily flights and subsequent five flights to the U.S. adding to UA’s seven flights from Tokyo to the U.S.A.
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RE: ANA (in Cooperation With UA) Launching NRT-DEL

Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Currently Mumbai is served with its premium configured 737 aircraft..
Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 18):
but as you have mentioned, a premium configured 73G flies NRT-BOM

Reading this, I'm really surprised that NRT-BOM is only a 737 here, and a premium configured as well, especially with NRT being a slot constrained airport? I would think that a much bigger plane would be able to fill between these two giant cities, and even with top non-premium yields.

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