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saleya22r
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Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:52 am

Hi! I am a frequent visitor but an infrequent poster(so far) on this site. My username Saleya22R refers as many know to LFMN Nice Cote d’Azur airport. Being the second busiest (correct me if I’m wrong!) airport in France by operations I believe it deserves its own thread on this site. Not too niche I hope! I even happen to have a place from where I can see the western part of the airport. Specially during the summer months visitors include interesting birds such as the Royal Bahraini 747SP, Saudia 747SP (last evening) to name a few.
Saleya 22R is my favorite approach where you circle around Cap Ferrat and Cap de Nice before turning to short finals in front of Cours Saleya (the famous market street in the old town). But to see something you should select a window seat on the starboard side and even then there’s only 10% change that 22 is active. What do pilots think about landing on 22 here? Any particular challenges? I see go-arounds almost daily (04 as well) but are they really more frequent here? What about the biggest operators? A couple of years ago I believe Easyjet was nr 2 after AF right? Norwegian has expanded a lot lately. Could they be nr 3 at NCE already?
Your comments are welcome!
 
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting saleya22R (Thread starter):
A couple of years ago I believe Easyjet was nr 2 after AF right? Norwegian has expanded a lot lately. Could they be nr 3 at NCE already?

Hello saleya22R,

For 2011 :

1. AIRFRANCE 2 698 120 passengers
2. easyJet 2 304 543
3. Lufthansa 537 902
4. British Airways 511 850
5. Air Corsica 374 877
6. Norwegian 315 987
7. SWISS 286 286
8. Brussels Airlines 238 557
9. Transavia 218 961
10. SAS 215 534

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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:24 pm

The approach and landing in the other direction (is it called ROMEO ?) is very nice as well. You turn around Cap d'Antibes and make the last turn (right) facing fort Vauban to align on the runway. NCE is definitely one of the best landing experience in metropolitan France (with AJA in my opinion). I'm not a pilot but I always heard that NCE was considered as a "dangerous" airport due to its difficult approach procedures (mostly designed as to avoid noise for the owners of the luxurious villas of the Cap d'Antibes) and the short runways. As soon as you have touched the ground, the pilots are always pushing heavy on the brakes.
NCE is indeed the 2nd busiest airport in term of number of pax, but only if you put CDG and ORY in the "same bag", as being Paris airports. Otherwise, NCE is the 3rd, after CDG and ORY.
 
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:04 pm

[quote=Alsatian,reply=1]Hello saleya22R,

For 2011 :

1. AIRFRANCE 2 698 120 passengers
2. easyJet 2 304 543
3. Lufthansa 537 902
4. British Airways 511 850
5. Air Corsica 374 877
6. Norwegian 315 987
7. SWISS 286 286
8. Brussels Airlines 238 557
9. Transavia 218 961
10. SAS 215 534

Alsatian, thanks for the update. I realised after having posted that LH probably is nr 3, I still believe that DY will be higher in the list this year. Their red nosed 738s are visible all the time and flying from many Nordic destinations including HEL. But it's partly seasonal I believe
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):

Yes, the landing on 04 is very beautiful indeed. I think the circle to land procedure where you avoid flying over Cap d'Antibes is the Riviera procedure. Correct me if I'm wrong. That's in good weather conditions(usually the case here)
In IFR conditions, the approach is over Antibes, glidesope intercepted somewhere near Iles de Lerins outside Cannes.
Pros can answer the question about the ROMEO procedure you mentioned.
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:54 am

I've been there 4 or 5 times, I love the runway on the water, it's like being on an aircraft carrier !
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:07 am

Quoting saleya22R (Thread starter):
Being the second busiest (correct me if I’m wrong!) airport in France by operations

Third busiest, both by aircraft operations and passengers.

Aircraft operations as followed...

CDG - 514,059 (2011)
ORY - 231,840 (2011)
NCE - 161,355 (2010)

As for passenger numbers....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...usiest_airports_airports_in_France

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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:24 am

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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:16 am

Saleya 22R is my all time favorite approach in Europe!

Get the speed down, configure on time. Take it slow. Follow the procedure, enjoy the view and then no PAPI's!!!

It takes some real flying, especially when it's gusty.

Love it!
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:27 am

Hi!

I also love Nice airport not just for the approaches but for the terminals too. They are not that big but are really nice places to walk around a get a coffee. As for the flying I have flown there many times in flightsim, normally flying the Riviera approach to 4L/R. It is a tricky approach even in the sim, especially when you don't have an FMC and have to tune in all the VOR's manually. The last part is purely visual with the right turn to finals. The 22 approaches are even harder. In real life I have flown in there as a passenger a few times but only onto 4L/R. Mostly it's been the Riviera approach but sometimes it's straight in ILS.

From what I've seen I find pretty much all of the regional airports in France to be really nice whilst the Paris airports whilst good for watching traffic, were not really as modern or clean.

Many thanks.

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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:34 am

It was a great approach as we came in over the ocean from Rome. I was wondering how long the runway was when we touched down and could feel the heavy braking. What a thrill.
 
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
As soon as you have touched the ground, the pilots are always pushing heavy on the brakes.

I haven't flown there as an active crew, but shouldn't almost 3000 meters of runway be more than enough to decelerate without heavy breaking? Any significant reason for that heavy breaking compared to other airport with similar runway length?
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RE: Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions

Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting airbuster (Reply 8):

I did not know that there's no PAPI for 22R!

Quoting cuban8 (Reply 11):

I have understood that thrust reversers are not recommended in Nice. Noise restrictions in addition to engine wear. In most landings here it's just autobrake I suspect. Pros please correct me if I'm wrong. Most of the year the breaking action is good with dry runways so I don't think breaking is any heavier than elsewhere.

Nice Matin writes today:

L'aéroport Nice Côte d'Azur a enregistré le dimanche 15 juillet 2012 un "record historique en matière de trafic sur une journée". Plus de 49.000 passagers ont transité ce jour-là par la plate-forme niçoise, soit 12% de plus que le dernier record.

"On 15 July 2012 a new record of passengers was recorded, over 49000 px for a single day, 12% more than the previous record(2011)
From the beginning of this year, the traffic has grown 6,5%(number of passengers)

So where's the economic crisis?