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Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:05 pm

Although there where no injuries and the crew managed to Go Around and land safely in other airport, certainly this could be one of the more serious incidents in Chile in the last few years. Sky Ariline B 737 200 trying to land in La Serena had to divert to Copiapo after the right wingtip contacted for seconds with the runway surface.
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There is a video of the aborted landing somewhere, but I couldn't find yet.

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:19 pm

Video in this link ( scroll down the pictures ).

http://www.24horas.cl/nacional/avion...s-al-aterrizar-en-la-serena-226769




Apparently they were doing a crosswind landing but something goes wrong ( wind gust ? ) when de-crabbing, the Go Around was really the only option they had.

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:25 pm

Can't see the video. Do you have a direct link?
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:54 pm

Looks like the new raked wingtips of the 787! LOL!
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:12 pm

Off runway centerline by a fair way judging by the location of the centerline visible in the video.
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:44 pm

We sometimes hear stories of "OMG my plane wing scrapped the runway"

This time it was true.

The video is from inside the aircraft in front of the wing showing the runway surface on the right side of the plane. It does not show the wing touching the ground - the camera being aimed too far forward - and that seat may not have had a view of the wing tip anyway.

The video shows right before touchdown. The plane comes in close to the runway surface and moves quite quickly left of the centerline. There is a light jarring of the camera and the plane appears to be pulling away from the runway.

Good job on going around. There was a thread on this forum a couple days ago about an off runway incident supposedly from a crew forcing such a landing.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
There was a thread on this forum a couple days ago about an off runway incident supposedly from a crew forcing such a landing.
GA 738 Off Runway In Pekanbaru (by Gonzalo Jul 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)

I started that thread too ( I was again the carrier of the bad news ).... funny how our minds works, this thread about Indonesia ( where an accident happened possibly because they didn't make a Go Around ) was basically ignored by everyone, and this where the runway excursion was avoided by the Go Around, is apparently much more interesting due to a wingtip scrapping...

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:32 pm

Flight was Sky Ariline 101 from Antofagasta to Santiago, with stop in La Serena.

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=CI28038&sch=SCSE


The airport in La Serena ( named La Florida ) is at the ( flat ) top of a hill when you land looking to the East, or you can have a panoramic approach making turns between the hills when you land looking to the west. No ILS, and a 6.300 ft runway.

Most part of the time has a very friendly weather, soft winds and sun, but sometimes can be tricky, in adverse conditions you can have dense fog ( no wind but no visibility either ), or good visibility but strong winds ( seems to be the case of this aborted landing ). I have tattooed in my brain two shaky Go Around on board of 732's trying to land here.

The thing that puzzles me a little is why they diverted to Copiapo instead Santiago, the distance is only 40 nm shorter ( and the difference in terms of all kind of facilities or emergency services is big )


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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:39 pm

Looks like it could be CC-CTK?
Also as I don't see it on any other 732 photos that I've looked at in the last few minutes, is it just a trick of the light or is there a burnt area on the fuselage? Is this a result of the incident or?

Either that or it's something completely obvious that I don't know about.

Edit: After looking at the news article I see on the low quality picture of passengers leaving the aircraft that it looks to have one on the other side too making me wonder if it's just a result of exhaust from the engines?



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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting OllieJolly (Reply 8):
After looking at the news article I see on the low quality picture of passengers leaving the aircraft that it looks to have one on the other side too making me wonder if it's just a result of exhaust from the engines?

Possibly from the reversers:


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Looks like something the Spanish Inquisition would call "Mr. Thingy". **Edit: I was thinking of an episode of Blackadder but, on second thoughts, credit must go to Gary Larson.

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:53 pm

From the last photo in the original post, it looks like they got the outer flap track fairing too. It seems like they'd have had to drag the engine too, to get that to happen. Or has it just been partially removed in that photo?
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 7):
The thing that puzzles me a little is why they diverted to Copiapo instead Santiago, the distance is only 40 nm shorter

Probably because the most important thing was to get to the nearest suitable airport as quickly as possible. Maybe that extra few minutes diverting to SCL could mean the difference between landing safely or there being catastrophic structural failure in the wing. The crew had no way of knowing that.

This was not a case of a diversion where they can just go to the most convenient place where there are good maintenance facilities and the passengers can be accommodated, and there is a nice terminal. This was potentially a very significant emergency where the difference of minutes might count for survival. The crew could not be assured of the structural integrity of the wing and how long it was going to hold together. The also probably felt that the conditions were not suitable to try to land again at the wing-scrape airport, given the uncertainty of the condition of the airplane.

I'm speculating the Captain's thought process, but in my mind he made the right decision in getting the airplane on the ground at a safe airport ASAP.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:32 pm

Given that it is a 732, if they also dragged the engine, and they would have to look at the wing, control surfaces ect. that the frame is probably done?
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting rwessel (Reply 10):
From the last photo in the original post, it looks like they got the outer flap track fairing too. It seems like they'd have had to drag the engine too, to get that to happen. Or has it just been partially removed in that photo?

Probably not. Don't forget since the aircraft was in landing configuration, the flaps are down pretty far. If they draffed the flaps on a clean wing, that would be a different story.
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:27 pm

Looks like a fairly old 737! Glad everyone is ok.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
Off runway centerline by a fair way judging by the location of the centerline visible in the video.

Wow yeah, way off centerline. I only got one view of the video due to this crappy hotel internet, but it almost looks like they were still making the turn to line up with the centerline as they were in the last 100 or so feet there. I didn't see when this happened exactly but the METAR's from the last 36 hours show very light winds.
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:04 pm

In a situation like this,has it ever happend that an aileron have been jammed because of it,and if it does, will it affect the other aileron and the roll spoilers?
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting b767 (Reply 16):

In a situation like this,has it ever happend that an aileron have been jammed because of it,and if it does, will it affect the other aileron and the roll spoilers?

There is a breakout if one aileron is jammed allowing the other to operate normally. The spoilers augment the ailerons in certain conditions. So you will mostly likely not encounter a condition where both ailerons and all flight spoilers become inop.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:22 pm

I found this passenger video of the attempted landing. I can't get the videos to play in the first reply, so I'm not sure if this was included in that.

All I can say is that was one wild landing attempt. It looked like they were at about a 30 degree angle crossing the threshold and almost went into the grass to the left, only to correct back to the right and come close to leaving the runway on that side before they finally became airborne again. Somehow, the passenger filming never moves the camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doqAUV5ET5g

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting rwessel (Reply 10):

Maybe that I a result of retracting the flaps after the go around.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 11):

The other issue is fuel, they would burn around 150% more fuel (I.e. normal fuel + 150%) to get to the alternate with flaps down, no guarantee they would retract.
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:05 pm

I wonder if the bird will be writtin off? Sad to see this on any aircraft, but there are so few -200's left.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 18):
I'm not sure if this was included in that.

That appears to be the original video. The short clip included in the news segment linked above only shows the aircraft over the runway and the bump when the wing hit the runway. The TV clip doesn't include the movement back across the runway and the liftoff.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 20):
I wonder if the bird will be writtin off? Sad to see this on any aircraft, but there are so few -200's left.

I wonder that, too. The frame is very old and has to be worth very little. It wouldn't take a lot of damage to be worth a W/O, I'm afraid.

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:38 pm

Wow I didn't get to see the video because the page wouldn't load for me yesterday but I just viewed it on YouTube and I didn't expect what I saw. I assumed the aircraft was landing normally and did a "sway" right such as the Lufthansa A320(?) landing. It really came across the runway at an angle didn't it?

Also, has anyone confirmed which aircraft this was yet? Apologies if I've missed something.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 20):
I wonder if the bird will be writtin off? Sad to see this on any aircraft, but there are so few -200's left.

Sky Airline is in the process of renewing its fleet and is phasing out their B732s in favor of A320 family a/c. Sky Airline will soon receive another A-319 that was previously in service with EasyJet (G-EZEA).
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:20 am

Wow, interesting stuff. This event is an example of how well documented incidents are in our age of smartphones. We have a video of the actual landing (before the accident even happened!), then the announcement by the captain, the rest of the flight, and tons of photos. Chile is a fairly advanced country in terms of consumer electronics and many people have smart phones and other gadgets.

So I guess it is safe to say this was the last flight of this bird? Will they scrap it right there at Copiapo?

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It was great to hear so much Chilean Spanish by the passengers. The captain seemed to have some sort of German accent though, can that be true? What do our Chilean a.net members say?

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:11 am

I've just made a little photoshop, I've put first the lines on the video and then I've shrinked them toghether, thus mantaining the proportions...

Any opinions whethether this is a 'normal approach' or the airline should put this pilot in 'hold' ?

 
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting 4tet (Reply 27):
Any opinions whethether this is a 'normal approach' or the airline should put this pilot in 'hold' ?

Your course has the plane about 50 degrees off the runway heading at 1,300 feet distance. I believe your are putting the plane at least 1,000 feet too close to the threshold.

That said, a curving visual approach into a crosswind is taught as a proper approach technique - at least in light aircraft. I've been on B727 and B738 aircraft that make such approaches as a normal practice at some airports in calm winds.

That said, I don't know if that is a practice in Chile. But I don't think that alone is proof of a problem or a bad approach.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting 4tet (Reply 27):

Interesting drawing. After looking at that, I watched the video again, and it does seem like for the last 10 or 15 seconds before crossing the threshold they were in a right bank. So it seems possible at the exact spot you paused the video, that's the direction the were facing. The bank continued to the runway and it seems like they just weren't able to straighten out quickly enough, overshooting the center line.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 29):
That said, a curving visual approach into a crosswind is taught as a proper approach technique - at least in light aircraft. I've been on B727 and B738 aircraft that make such approaches as a normal practice at some airports in calm winds.

Isn't that pretty much what the Expressway Visual into LGA is? With a crosswind, it seems like timing the turn would be difficult.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 30):
it seems like timing the turn would be difficult.

Yes and no.

My third landing in a GA aircraft in training was such a curve - through in calm winds. Because the tower wanted me in and to complete the touch and go before a King Air on four mile final got there. So my turn from base was even with the runway end. My instructor helped me with the turn and lineup with calm directions, and ready to take over in an instant if I got out of position.

The point is that it is actually a lot easier than it looks, especially after a lot of experience.

A pilot of the level to be flying commercial passengers should be able to do such a turn and line-up.

But it only takes one minor mistake to bend an airplane, and an unexpected wind gust could easily mess up the landing.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:46 pm

Can it be that the plane almost crashed because the passenger was filming when all electronic equipment should have been turned off? We've been told for decades that this is unsafe but never seen proof, maybe this is it?

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:53 pm

No. This landing attempt was obviously a visual approach.

I most strongly advocate against using electronics aboard aircraft at critical phases of flight - but that isn't the cause in the case.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 33):
I most strongly advocate against using electronics aboard aircraft at critical phases of flight - but that isn't the cause in the case.

I'm thinking Soren may have been saying that in a tongue-in-cheek manner.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25):
Sky Airline is in the process of renewing its fleet and is phasing out their B732s in favor of A320 family a/c. Sky Airline will soon receive another A-319 that was previously in service with EasyJet (G-EZEA).

Sounds like this bird is toast.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 30):
Isn't that pretty much what the Expressway Visual into LGA is? With a crosswind, it seems like timing the turn would be difficult.

I understand it in the crowded NYC airspace, but it is really needed to do this when you have plenty of space to align to the runway?
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:22 pm

New Video of the Sky 101 accident, this time from the observation deck in La Florida Airport. The man who is filming exclaims NO MY GOD NO !! when he sees the aircraft banking violently, since his son was on board.


http://www.chilevision.cl/home/content/view/428339/81/

Note : In the 4' 10 '' of the video, this "media experts", after the real incident of Sky and other real incident of Lufthansa, added an old joke available in Youtube with a supposed hard landing .... no comments...      
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:17 pm

Normally I would never even venture into speculating about these kind of accidents (safety of passengers was compromised, even if no one was hurt), but by looking at the videos/pictures, you can only conclude that this was not how a VMC approach to this airport should have been flown.

I have to say that I am really sorry for the pilot, who stated that at the last moment he was blinded by the low sun reflecting from the onsetting mist (which I totally believe). Nevertheless, the approach when coming from the North (as in this case) should have brought him many Kms to the east, so to have enough time to stabilize on the runway center-line. What he actually did, as can be clearly seen from the videos, was a carrier-style turning approach, totally uncalled for and unsafe.

Since he was trying to correct up to the very last second (the turning approach seems to have led him beyond the runway center-line), and coupled with the fact that he may have been temporarily blinded by the sun for a few milliseconds, was probably enough for him to misjudge his height and bank angle, with the right wingtip eventually scrapping on the runway. After that, he did the right thing, that is to abort the landing and head to the nearest possible alternate airport.

As a summary:
- VMC approach not correctly executed
- Turning approach left the airplane too close to the runway with too little time to stabilize
- Also turning approach was not finalized aligned with center-line but did slightly overshoot it

Besides using a different VMC approach, when the pilot realized that it was going to be a close call and/or he was blinded, he should have started the aborted landing procedure right away and not wait another second.

I have seen many times this kind of turning approaches by Sky in Santiago, but it's very different when you have these long runways that give you some additional margin for stabilizing. I just hope this is a wake-up call for the airline and its pilots that shows them that saving a few pounds of fuel are not worth the risks.

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:18 pm

Re:

Quoting acontador (Reply 38):
who stated that at the last moment he was blinded by the low sun reflecting from the onsetting mist (which I totally believe).

That could be the reason the following would not be a good practice.

Quoting acontador (Reply 38):
so to have enough time to stabilize on the runway center-line.

I've seen airports where stabilizing on the runway center-line on certain days, certain weather conditions, will make it almost assured the pilots will have significantly reduced visibility due to the sun/ glare in their eyes.

I cannot say this is the case here - but a consideration as to why he flew a curving approach.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 35):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25):
Sky Airline is in the process of renewing its fleet and is phasing out their B732s in favor of A320 family a/c. Sky Airline will soon receive another A-319 that was previously in service with EasyJet (G-EZEA).

Sounds like this bird is toast.

Yet another A-319 will join H2's fleet soon that was also in service with EasyJet (G-EZEP). Today, another Sky Airline flight made an emergency landing at ANF due to engine problems:

Avión de Sky ahora sufre falla mecánica y regresa a Antofagasta
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 40):
Today, another Sky Airline flight made an emergency landing at ANF due to engine problems:

Avión de Sky ahora sufre falla mecánica y regresa a Antofagasta

After Four incidents in a few days, today the aviation authorities of Chile, the DGAC, confirmed to the press that a full audit will be performed within the next days, to the operational area and maintenance services of Sky Airlines. The audit will take between 5 to 7 days.

http://www.latercera.com/noticia/nac...gral-a-la-empresa-tras-nuevo.shtml


Seems appropriate, although the other three ( apart form the wing scrapping ) " incidents" where so different ( and common occurrences in the industry, being a Pressurization problem, an engine problem and a fuel leak on the ground, in totally different planes ), that I think this is more a public relations move to give tranquility to the flying public.

Let's see what they find with this audit...

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:55 pm

Whilst apparently unrelated, perhaps they are concerned about a general malaise.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:43 pm

METAR for the relevant time of the accident:

SCSE 182100Z 29007KT 6000 SCT010 BKN013 11/09 Q1012 [17:00 LT / 21:00 UTC: Wind 290 degrees at 7 knots; Visibility: 6000 m; Scattered clouds at 1000 feet AGL, broken clouds at 1300 feet AGL; Temperature: 11°C, Dewpoint: 9°C; Pressure 1012 mb]
SCSE 182200Z 29007KT 3000 VCFG SCT004 OVC006 10/09 Q1013 [18:00 LT / 22:00 UTC: Wind 290 degrees at 7 knots; Visibility: 3000 m with fog in vicinity; Scattered clouds at 400 feet AGL, broken clouds at 600 feet AGL; Temperature: 10°C, Dewpoint: 9°C; Pressure 1013 mb]

Consistent with what the pilot reported (possible temporary being blinded by the low sun bouncing of the onsetting mist).

There is now also talk about possible windshear right at the end of the turning approach, but we will have to wait for the formal investigation to know more about this.

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:32 pm

The above link for chilivision.cl wouldn't load the image, but it's not linked to YouTube. It looks like it's very windy out beyond the runway towards the mountains with the dust being kicked up. It's quite the different view from another YouTube video of a Sky Airlines 737 landing at La Serena.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGAzvNi594
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting flyjoe (Reply 44):
The above link for chilivision.cl wouldn't load the image

They changed the location of the video. Try this link :

http://www.chilevision.cl/home/content/view/428532/881/


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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:24 pm

I don't know who made this , ( and obviously the Investigation will tell us exactly what happened) , but still , I think is interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZFIsI2913g


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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 46):
I think is interesting.

I would be surprised if it was not made by 4tet who did the sills above.

It still offsets the aircraft position as about 1,000 feet (350M) too close to the airport.

The video has the same mistake as the still frames above. The offset aircraft position is plotted on the ground from the aircraft seat view and is plot as the actual aircraft position on the ground.

If you can see that point on the ground from the aircraft window - it is obviously not the direct under the aircraft position. To get the exact parallax offset - we have to know precisely the aircraft bank angle and the aircraft altitude.

But I'm pretty sure it was close to 1,000 ft (350M) farther back down the track away from the runway than shown in the still above or the video.
 
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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:49 pm

In one of the most ridiculous twist of an air travel incident for the recent times, today was presented a class action in a Chilean court against the carrier Sky Airline, from 72 passengers demanding a compensation of around USD 48.000 each ( totalling around USD 3.400.000 ), for the " moral damage" caused by the wing tip incident.

In one of the most hilarious statements I heard from a lawyer, the man said in an interview that "not only the death must be compensated, but also the injuries"...... What injuries ??????? There were not a single broken nail here !!!!!!
Oh, and the airline should pay "because they tried to land too fast and distracted "....So MR. Lawyer and the passengers he represent, solved the case BEFORE the investigation in course by the DGAC...                


http://www.adnradio.cl/noticias/naci...-serena/20120802/nota/1734563.aspx

I really hope this ridiculous case will be dismissed at first sight.

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RE: Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway

Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 48):



Gonzalo,

I don't know how "ridiculous" this case really is, and I think you are doing the same mistake you are blaming on this lawyer/passengers, that is solving the case before the investigation is finalized.

If the investigation might prove that the pilot did not follow established standard VMC approach procedures, and that the airline approved of this behaviour in the past, the airline might very well possibly be held liable for endangering the lives of the passengers. I am not saying that this is what happened, but it is possible, so I wouldn't be so quick in dismissing this class suit. We have to wait for the result of the investigation before taking any conclusions.

You know that in any case, passengers will have a hard time proving their damages, as local courts are not overly keen to assign "moral damages", they want to see bills and real expenses.

Overall, I think it is positive (from the local passenger point of view) that our airlines feel that they cannot continue doing business as they like and not acknowledging passenger rights. I sincerely hope that eventually we will end up with some sort of special legislation increasing our rights as airline passengers and forcing our local airlines to match the level in the EU.

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