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Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:00 pm

Ok, we all know that TG WFU the A340-500 from the fleet. Does anyone know where TG stored the aircraft? BKK? Returned to lessor and taken to the desert?
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:15 pm

HS-TLA/B/C are all stored in BKK but each took local (test) flights during June.

HS-TLD appears to be doing some Government flying and is currently in Paris having been to Berlin earlier this week, along with possibly some other European destinations.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:10 am

HS-TLA, HS-TLB and HS-TLC are at DMK and start to look pretty dirty.

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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:22 am

what a pity for one of the most beautiful aircraft in history.... especially in Thai colours...
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:10 am

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 3):
what a pity for one of the most beautiful aircraft in history.... especially in Thai colours...

Yes, what a sad thread... the Concorde and the Thai A345, best looking aircraft I ever saw.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
the Concorde and the Thai A345, best looking aircraft I ever saw.

We need a Museum of Aviation Aesthetics to preserve such frames.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:35 am

Many thanks guys to say such nice things about the A345 , which is one of my favourite birds .
I am still surprised that no more EU members answer that topic , Let It Be !

Concerning the HS- TLD , thanks to your info, i have just known by a friend of mine , that she is at ORY for a gouvernment mission

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Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:05 am

The Thai PM is touring Europe and she has been to Berlin as well.
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:07 am

So sad to see these wonderful aircrafts, been put out of regulare Thai service. Miss them at OSL ....
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:09 am

Quoting dennys (Reply 6):
I am still surprised that no more EU members answer that topic

Thailand is a bit far away for us to drive by after work...
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:37 am

Are they owned by Thai?
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RE: Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting dennys (Reply 6):
Many thanks guys to say such nice things about the A345 , which is one of my favourite birds .
I am still surprised that no more EU members answer that topic , Let It Be !

Concerning the HS- TLD , thanks to your info, i have just known by a friend of mine , that she is at ORY for a gouvernment mission

Kind regards
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Brings up a question, since the A345 is a long range, quad and quiet, she seems ideal for other governments as a state platform. UK, Germany, etc. Wonder if Thai could sell these at an attractive price.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 1):
HS-TLA/B/C are all stored in BKK but each took local (test) flights during June.

I'm guesing that this will be something to do with their certificate of airworthiness being maintained?
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 12):

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 1):
HS-TLA/B/C are all stored in BKK but each took local (test) flights during June.

I'm guesing that this will be something to do with their certificate of airworthiness being maintained?


Well, thinking about it, possibly they ferried to DMK as Thomas_Jaeger in reply 2 states that is where they are?
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
We need a Museum of Aviation Aesthetics to preserve such frames.

And to this I would add the VC-10 in BOAC scheme.
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:21 pm

agree with all the above....and I'll nominate the L-1011 in classic Delta livery for the Museum.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting Beeski (Reply 15):

agree with all the above....and I'll nominate the L-1011 in classic Delta livery for the Museum.



I would like to add a PA 707 and a TW 757 to this Museum of Astetics. Guess we also better put the Super Guppy in there too. 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 14):
And to this I would add the VC-10 in BOAC scheme.

G-ASGC at Duxford is in this scheme.
Given they don't know what to do with these aircraft and Airbus still have some unsold green tails, I wonder if they'll put them back into service like Emirates and misuse them on routes to Europe just to add capacity.

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Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:54 pm

I'd be absolutely delighted if the RAF bought them up as strategic lift to ease the pressure on the Tristar/Vc10/Voyager fleet.

They have enormous under-floor cargo capacity and i think as troop transports they'd do very well in a QC config - RAF can then change the layout and interior if VIP transport etc is needed. I'd guess the fact that they can easily do Brize - Falklands non-stop at full payload would make them attractive as well. Just carrying troops and their kit and no cargo they could probably go anywhere on the planet non-stop near enough I'd have thought.

Could pick up all four for considerably less than the price of one new Voyager and about half the price of a new C17 (whcih we also need more of, very badly).

Could you also fit them with wingtip refueling pods like the Tristars have?

Common type rating with the Voyagers.
Same Trent engine cores and spares trains/pools.
Pretty low-cycle airframes, not been worked very hard.
Immaculately maintained and in great condition considering.
Similar ramp footprint to the Voyagers and share the same GSE / handling equipment.


I'm sure they are looking at them. Madness not to be, frankly.

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RE: Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
The Thai PM is touring Europe and she has been to Berlin as well.

Ummm did she travel on a 345?

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 17):
Given they don't know what to do with these aircraft and Airbus still have some unsold green tails, I wonder if they'll put them back into service like Emirates and misuse them on routes to Europe just to add capacity.

Agreed. As relatively inefficient as the 345 is, parking such young aircraft seems premature, unless Thai is losing $ and needs to shrink to a profitable core.
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 19):
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 17):
Given they don't know what to do with these aircraft and Airbus still have some unsold green tails, I wonder if they'll put them back into service like Emirates and misuse them on routes to Europe just to add capacity.

Agreed. As relatively inefficient as the 345 is, parking such young aircraft seems premature, unless Thai is losing $ and needs to shrink to a profitable core.

They are roughly comparable to a 744 in trip costs - perhaps 10% less in fuel but they carry a lot less pax. The 744s are paid off, the A345s are not full amortised yet so are costing money in financing.

A fully paid off, debt free A345 is still an efficient machine. Just not as efficient as the 744/A346
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:11 pm

Am I glad that I was on their BKK-LAX-BKK runs shortly before they pulled the plug.
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 11):
Brings up a question, since the A345 is a long range, quad and quiet, she seems ideal for other governments as a state platform. UK, Germany, etc. Wonder if Thai could sell these at an attractive price.

Might as well reserve one for themselves to replace this.....

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Ummm did she travel on a 345?

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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:56 pm

Since this is quasi related to the LAX since the A345s were mostly dedicated to the LAX run, around April 2013 ish or so, LAX will become a TG 747 route offering F/Biz/Y, which I think is great news!
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 23):
Since this is quasi related to the LAX since the A345s were mostly dedicated to the LAX run, around April 2013 ish or so, LAX will become a TG 747 route offering F/Biz/Y, which I think is great news!

Not if you are actually flying on the plane.
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:58 pm

HS-CMV was at Luton last Tuesday, perhaps the B737-400?
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 23):
Since this is quasi related to the LAX since the A345s were mostly dedicated to the LAX run, around April 2013 ish or so, LAX will become a TG 747 route offering F/Biz/Y, which I think is great news!
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 24):
Not if you are actually flying on the plane.

Amen, mate. I much prefer TG F on the A340-600 than the 747-400 (just don't like being in the nose - feels too cramped).

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Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 23):
Since this is quasi related to the LAX since the A345s were mostly dedicated to the LAX run, around April 2013 ish or so, LAX will become a TG 747 route offering F/Biz/Y, which I think is great news!

Is this a IYO or is there something official stating this. Quite surprising since the 747 is not very economical.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 26):
Amen, mate. I much prefer TG F on the A340-500 than the 747-400 (just don't like being in the nose - feels too cramped).

There is no F on 340-500, only Royal Silk = Business class!

You prefer the low ceiling and not so exclusive of zone A on 340s?

Our PM travels on government paid TG A340-500 run, as poor as we are, however, we can afford the PM to fly one of the most expensive aircraft!!
Let's just blame it on yields.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
Madness not to be, frankly.

Not a lot of rational behavior in the UK MOD. Retiring Tranche 1 Typhoons, shaky plans for carriers, huge base closures, etc.

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 2):
HS-TLA, HS-TLB and HS-TLC are at DMK and start to look pretty dirty.

At least they are not underwater, so far.
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RE: Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 28):
There is no F on 340-500, only Royal Silk = Business class!

My bad. Thinking of the A340-600.


Quoting nethkt (Reply 28):
You prefer the low ceiling and not so exclusive of zone A on 340s?

I just find the nose section of the 747 claustrophobic when 10-12 suites are present. Even BA's new FIRST - which looks magnificent - seems packed in this picture:


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Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 30):
I just find the nose section of the 747 claustrophobic when 10-12 suites are present. Even BA's new FIRST - which looks magnificent - seems packed in this picture:

WOW... not much walking space there...but those seats look comfy!!!
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 28):
Our PM travels on government paid TG A340-500 run, as poor as we are, however, we can afford the PM to fly one of the most expensive aircraft!!

Better than pulling a production aircraft out of service, which they usually do ..
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 11):
Brings up a question, since the A345 is a long range, quad and quiet, she seems ideal for other governments as a state platform. UK, Germany, etc. Wonder if Thai could sell these at an attractive price.

Actually I had the same idea, but I was thinking about the A345 still owned by Airbus. The German "Flugbereitschaft" being part of the Air Force purchased two used former LH A340-313X and some new smaller aircrafts from Airbus (A319 CJ) and Bombardier (Global 5000). So there will be no German A345.
 
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RE: Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:30 pm

Wasn't Conviasa out of Venezuela going to get some A345? Maybe these beauties are heading to Caracas...

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Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
We need a Museum of Aviation Aesthetics to preserve such frames.

I totally agree with you (and some other Airnutters). There are so many beautiful machines waiting out there. Not to mention historic airframes that have managed to survive the ravages of time, only to meet the scrapman after several decades of service (while brand-new machines are already being parted out). As an older Airnutter - and a nostalgic one at that - I would love to see more aviation history preserved. I love the idea of a Museum of Aviation Aesthetics. There is only one problem: there are too many airplanes to choose from. Every airplane is beautiful in its own way, the Super Guppy included.

But I regress... er, digress. Back to those Thai A350s: I am amazed to hear that they are sitting there, getting dirty and moldy. It seems like just yesterday (sorry about the cliche) that Thai was taiking out full-page advertisements in aviation enthusasts' magazines, announcing the "first nonstop flight on the longest air route in the world," proclaiming it as an "histroric event." That choice of wording is indeed ironic in this context!

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Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:27 pm

IIRC, ZS-OOS was DBR after hitting a rather large pothole in the taxi way.

IMO, DBR is not the same as being retired.

My understanding is that the DC8's career was also ended prematurely.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:31 pm

The 345 is one of my favourite aircraft around, I have flown on SQ's numerous times and every flight has been amazing. I wish an airline would pick these birds up so they don't end up in the scrapyard.
 
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RE: Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 24):
Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 23):
Since this is quasi related to the LAX since the A345s were mostly dedicated to the LAX run, around April 2013 ish or so, LAX will become a TG 747 route offering F/Biz/Y, which I think is great news!

Not if you are actually flying on the plane.

It's going to work for me. LAX has not had F service since the A345s went into service. It's a very welcome change.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 36):
IIRC, ZS-OOS was DBR after hitting a rather large pothole in the taxi way.

IMO, DBR is not the same as being retired.

My understanding is that the DC8's career was also ended prematurely.
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RE: Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:55 pm

I sure hope these pretty Aircraft find new homes - and fast. It would be sad if they met a similar fate to the ex-Olympic Airbus A340s. Always sad to see such beautiful aircraft being retired from service. I'd take an A340 over a 747 any day of the week.

Quoting Carls (Reply 34):

Wasn't Conviasa out of Venezuela going to get some A345? Maybe these beauties are heading to Caracas...

They are getting A345s from Etihad.

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 35):
Back to those Thai A350s

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RE: Where Are TG's A340-500s Stored?

Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:37 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 25):
HS-CMV was at Luton last Tuesday, perhaps the B737-400?

HS-CMV is mainly used for members of the Thai royal family.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 22):
Might as well reserve one for themselves to replace this.....

The A319CJ has been flying again for quite some time now, so seems to have survived the flood.
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