Starship
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Any Future For The Aerocar?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:50 am

Various people have had a go at it. Even the stunt crew on a James Bond movie set had a go at a flying car in the 1974 movie "The Man With The Golden Gun" (however, by today's standards that wasn't very convincing). It was based on an AMC Matador Coupé, driven and piloted by the infamous Scaramanger (played by Christopher Lee). With the flight tail unit, the complete machine was 9.15m long, 12,8 m wide and 3.04 m high. It was exhibited several times at motor shows. In the film it flew from Bankok to an island in the China Sea, but in reality it could only go about 500 m, so it was replaced with a meter long remote controlled model for some of the filming. Despite an extensive internet search I couldn't find a pic of this car, although somewhere in the Starship archives I should have one. If you are desperate to see what an AMC Matador looks like you can find a similar one here:
http://rush.brophy.com/eodweb/htmls/preview1999/scan111.htm

Aeronautical engineer, Moulton Taylor is considered to be the father of the flying car and built various examples. He in turn was inspired by Robert Fulton's 1946 Airphibian flying car.


Convair Carplane (1950)

Of all the Aerocars built the most famous is the one sold to Bob Cummings from the hit T.V. Show. He used the car as an intro to his show and also as personal transportation around the country. The same car was also used for some time as a traffic watch aircraft for the Radio Station KISN out of Portland Oregon.


1960 Aerocar


1968 Moulton Brown Taylor Aerocar


1980 Moulton Brown Taylor project


Proposed Model VI Aerocar

A slight variation on the theme below. Molts incredible Mini IMP design, also known as the Witches Broomstick. Popular home built kit that helped start the Experimental Revolution. Speeds of up to 180 mph have been obtained with this on minimal horsepower. This one proudly owned by Pat Hart from Vancouver Washington.



So guys and girls - what do you think - will the masses take to the air in their cars to avoid the traffic congestion on the freeways one day. Personally, I don't think so for one minute . If the chaos on the roads is anything to go by, heaven forbid any of them take to the air!
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RE: Any Future For The Aerocar?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 11:08 am

Those older cars never panned out obviously. I doubt the idea ever will. Too many loose ends.

However, believe it or not, this wacky idea still lives in commercial form. There is one company, founded by an eccentric genius of course, that is producing experimental "sky cars".

I'm waiting for the minivan version.

Moller International



Hmmmm...
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Starship
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RE: Any Future For The Aerocar?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 6:26 am

I knew if I searched long enough I would eventually come up with a pic of the flying AMC Matador from the Bond movie The Man With The Golden Gun. The pic is terrible and I must assume that this is the radio-controlled model that was used during filming.

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Mini-van Version Of Flying Car

Tue Oct 17, 2000 6:38 am

LOL! I don't know if you all realise it, but the thing has been out for quite some time now. It's called the Shorts Skyvan - surely one of the uglier aircraft in the air!


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You have to admit, the thing looks like a Ford Econoline with wings, tail and two engines!

Seriously, though, I agree with Starship - the masses will never take to the air, and thank God for that! Imagine as many stupid fliers in the air as there are stupid drivers on the road...it would literally be raining airplane parts!
 
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This Is More Like It!

Tue Oct 17, 2000 7:49 am

M400 Skycar

From your garage to your destination, the M400 Skycar cruises comfortably at 350+ MPH at 15 miles per gallon. No traffic, no red lights, no speeding tickets. Just quiet direct transportation from point A to point B in a fraction of the time.

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RE: Any Future For The Aerocar?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:57 am

Moller's skycar is not much of an innovation at all. Sure it flies, but does it drive? The trick is to be able to do both. The M400 looks far to wide for legal road use. And it seems to have four engines for two occupants and not much else. No headlights, no wipers, no signals. How fast can it go on those skateboard wheels? How fast can it negotiate a turn? How does it steer without vectoring prop blast into other cars and people?

Putting tires and a steering wheel on a small helicopter would achieve everything this experimental aerocar does and it would do so with only one engine. And without experimentation.

These Moller vehicles have virtually no wing area, so they are kept in the air simply by very fast forward speed, or by vectoring air downward when fast forward speed becomes less than that for landing. This is achieved by the tilting the front engines in the case of the M400 or, in the photo of the M150 I posted earlier, its two engines, like a tilt rotor Osprey.

But how can you arrive at a parking lot without blowing away the old lady in the convertible next to your space? How do you take-off from the grocery store without blowing pebbles, stones and other debris into the paint work of every car in the lot?

Moller is going about it in a backward way. Instead of making an aeroplane, he needs to first make a car. People don't need aeroplanes, they need cars. Make a car legal, road worthy, functionable, and practical. Then find away to make that car fly. So far he has made an tilt rotor aeroplane. I suggest he start with a fresh sheet of paper. He needs to attach his engines to a Chrysler minivan and make that fly.

Hmmmm...
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RE: Convair's Car Plane

Sat Oct 21, 2000 7:14 am

I saw Convair's Car Plane many many times when I was a boy. It was, as I remember, on display in the San Diego Aerospace Museum on Laurel Street. Approximately 1978 was when that museum was lit ablaze and destroyed by a fire bug. Everything inside was destroyed except for a small few items. That Museum had more Convair items in it, I think, than the present one in the Ford rotunda.

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