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DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:56 pm

The DOT Air Carrier Fitness Division eysterday issued a reminder to California Pacific Airlines that time is running short on fulfilling departmental requirements by the airline.

In 2011, following the issuance of the carriers economic authority, the carrier has a 1-year period to meet additional conditions including achieving its Air Carrier Certificate and Operations Specifications from the FAA and launching commercial flight services.

The DOT has determined this 12-month deadline ends August 25, 2012, at which time the granted authority shall be revoked due to dormancy.

The DOT states, CP Air may request a waiver, but cautions such waivers are not granted routinely.


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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The DOT has determined this 12-month deadline ends August 25, 2012, at which time the granted authority shall be revoked due to dormancy.

Sooooo basically, they gotta start operations or state when they're starting operations by 8/25?

Not so often I've seen a DOT report telling an airline to get flying, actually   
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:59 pm

What does California Pacific still need to do before they are ready to begin service? They have an aircraft now, but how far along are they in staffing and training? Last I heard they were not planning to start service until sometime next year.
 
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:19 pm

What a switch, that a new carrier may be shut down before the the results of actually flying a dubious operation take affect.

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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:26 pm

I know for a fact that their training manuals were completed this week and submitted to the FAA. One of my friends wrote them, and they should be approved very quickly.
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:38 pm

The last info I have is that a second a/c is expected somewhere in the late August-September time frame and that might signal the start of scheduled, revenue flights. If that speculation proves to be true, then it seems quite possible that the August 25th deadline just might be manageable (but would probably require an extension?)

I can see CP Air getting off the ground with 2 planes, and then adding frequencies when their 3rd a/c arrives.

  

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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:09 pm

We are well aware of the 8/25 deadline and are working on getting an extension. We can't "fly" until our 121 certificate is granted and we continue our work on that effort.

We have nothing to do with the SCASD grant mentioned above, our sole focus is on Carlsbad, CA.
 
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:04 pm

Quoting flycpair (Reply 7):
We are well aware of the 8/25 deadline and are working on getting an extension. We can't "fly" until our 121 certificate is granted and we continue our work on that effort.

We have nothing to do with the SCASD grant mentioned above.

Thanks for the update Randy, and for taking care of that Nevada misinformation.

Continued good luck to all of you in Carlsbad on getting over the rest of the hurdles!

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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:06 pm

They are specifically named in and part of the SCASD grant request for Carlsbad however.....
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
They are specifically named in and part of the SCASD grant request for Carlsbad however.....

Which cities can name as targets even if the airlines aren't actively involved.
 
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:02 am

Well I for one hope they make it because the trend toward less airlines is not at all a good one.
 
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:18 am

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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:50 am

It's starting to sound like the abortive rebirth of Western Airlines.
 
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:12 am

Quoting timf (Reply 2):
What does California Pacific still need to do before they are ready to begin service?

Brett Snyder of The Cranky Flier covered a little bit of that in a blog last week.

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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:39 am

They will probably grant a short term extension - but may have to provide some additional financial information first :/
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RE: DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License

Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting timf (Reply 2):
They have an aircraft now

That makes no difference at all. Even if they had 200 airplanes already or 0 airplanes, for example, and not enough staff, it wouldn't still make a difference. They are required by law to have people in certain positions before they can fly. My question is: What is taking them so long?? The minimum they need, I believe, is a CEO, a COO, a safety manager, a chief pilot, a director of maintenance and at at least 1 A&P mechanic. That is not a complete list, but I am sure there are more positions required to be filled before they can get their 121.

Quoting usxguy (Reply 14):
They will probably grant a short term extension

That is not how the DOT works. The only way to get ANY extension from the DOT is to basically kiss ass... meaning that they have to come up with a very, very, VERY good reason as to why the DOT should not revoke their license.
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