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When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:09 pm

I found this article stating that NH is planning to downgauge SEA-NRT from 77W to 788 sometime in October:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2018559995_dreamliner30.html

Is this still holding true and feasible with the current 787 production schedule? Does anybody have a hard date for the switch? All the flights are currently loaded as 77W...
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:14 pm

NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way, so I see no reason why they would not have a 787 available when it comes time to pull the 777-300ER.

That being said, losing First Class will be a bummer when the 77W goes.
 
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way, so I see no reason why they would not have a 787 available when it comes time to pull the 777-300ER.

I thought most of the current and future deliveries were domestic config, not international config frames? I'm about to book SFO-TPE for late October and would consider SFO-SEA-NRT-TPE to get my first 787 flight in 
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way, so I see no reason why they would not have a 787 available when it comes time to pull the 777-300ER.

There should be enough delivery slots in there.   I count three that are about to be delivered, so with 14 in the time frame of interest, I think ANA will pull it off.   

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2012/07/u...87-delivery-info-for-july-and.html

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
That being said, losing First Class will be a bummer when the 77W goes.

Neither SEA nor NRT is famous for a large premium market. IMHO, NA will make more money without paying to haul 1st seats where there is low demand.

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Correction,
ANA has FOUR 788s that could be delivered in August and possibly one or two more in September.  biggrin 

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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:53 pm

Interesting. There's also the SJC-NRT route to be considered in this discussion, right? If NH has a 787 available for trans-Pac flying this year, why would they put it on SEA rather than deploy it to SJC and get that route started? (AFAIK, the expected start date is still March/April 2013?)

I assume the down-gauge of SEA is due to less traffic in the fall, or is it because they need the T7 elsewhere at that time? Otherwise, I don't quite get the holding off of SJC...

(Actually, won't it take 2 birds to get either route -- SEA or SJC -- up and running daily?)

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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way

Do you know how many of the 11 delivered to date have the longhaul configuration vs. the higher-density domestic/regional configuration?
 
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
Neither SEA nor NRT is famous for a large premium market.

Tokyo, really? The largest single urban GDP city in the world with over 30 million people doesn't have a large premium market? Surley you have to be making that up. While I could see most premium traffic wanting to use HND because of it's location compaired to Tokyo, HND does not have service to all the international cities that NRT does.

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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:39 pm

We are booked outbound from SEA to NRT on October 25th on NH. Crossing my fingers....
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:16 am

@IrishAyes...just make sure you check your seat reservations periodically so you don't lose your optimal seat.
 
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:28 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Do you know how many of the 11 delivered to date have the longhaul configuration vs. the higher-density domestic/regional configuration?

Just two in the long-haul configuration. (JA805A & JA806A)
Four are in a temporary domestic configuration. (JA801A, JA802A, JA804A, & JA807A)
The rest are all domestic configuration. (JA808A, JA809A, JA810A, JA811A, & JA812A)
The domestic aircraft cannot be used for long-haul because of the obvious seat set-up.
The current two long-haul 788s are based out of HND for the HND-FRA flying.
To reasonably fly NRT-SEA daily, NH would need two 788s to be based out of NRT. The NRT-SEA has a turnaround of approximately two hours at each station and would leave very little slack in scheduling for maintenace and irregularities. I have no ideas on what configuration are planned for future deliveries.
 
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting atlflyer323 (Reply 6):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
Neither SEA nor NRT is famous for a large premium market.

Tokyo, really? The largest single urban GDP city in the world with over 30 million people doesn't have a large premium market?

With Ichiro traded to the Yankees, I would think there will be fewer Japanese tourist coming to Seattle.
 

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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:53 pm

My prediction: NH or UA on this route will bite the dust in 6 months.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 10):
With Ichiro traded to the Yankees, I would think there will be fewer Japanese tourist coming to Seattle.
 
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:57 pm

Let's all use upgauge / downgauge in future in place of upgrade / downgrade - its a much more accurate descriptor for an airline decision to deploy a larger / smaller aircraft.
 
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 11):

My prediction: NH or UA on this route will bite the dust in 6 months.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 10):
With Ichiro traded to the Yankees, I would think there will be fewer Japanese tourist coming to Seattle.



I suspect UA may not last since it is one of the few non hub international routes on the airline. Yields are better than LAX - NRT but they may drop some.

However I don't think it is guaranteed to fail. SEA-NRT briefly sustained two 747s and a 777 in the late 90s. An A330, 787, and 777 may be manageable in the summer but u would not think three flights per day could be sustained in the winter. It is good ANA will downsize to the 788.
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 12):
Let's all use upgauge / downgauge in future in place of upgrade / downgrade - its a much more accurate descriptor for an airline decision to deploy a larger / smaller aircraft.

Did you even bother to read the thread? You're the only person using the phrase 'upgrade' or 'downgrade' in here...
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RE: When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?

Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:49 am

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