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Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:36 am

I was in North Korea for an aviation tour last week and we talk with Air Koryo's staff about their future fleet as they informed us they plan to withdraw Il-62 from the fleet this year.
It seems Il-96 could join the fleet (no idea if new or second hand) and the An-140 could replace old An-24 and Tu-134.
We noticed the arrival of an ex Cubana Il-62 (Cubana colors on the tail but without Cubana written on the front. We didn't see the registration) but we had no information about this aircraft (spare, new aircraft to replace an Air Koryo older one? Strange as they plan to retire them.........).
Il-96 seems big to me but as both flight from and to Beijing (Il-62 and Tu-204-300) were full (even a second flight to Beijing was needed), it could be possible.
The guide told me tourism was growing in North Korea and the airlines could reopen an european destnation, so Il-96 could help.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:21 am

Would LOVE to hear how you all enjoyed that trip! I know a few that were there. Any TR's in the future? Cheers!
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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting SIBILLE (Thread starter):
It seems Il-96 could join the fleet (no idea if new or second hand)
Quoting SIBILLE (Thread starter):
The guide told me tourism was growing in North Korea and the airlines could reopen an european destnation, so Il-96 could help.

Oh WOW~ That sounds impressive. Can't wait to see an Il-96 in Air Koryo colors.

Maybe they'll order some of the used A340's leaving the fleets these days      

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 1):
Would LOVE to hear how you all enjoyed that trip! I know a few that were there. Any TR's in the future? Cheers!

Please post the TR here  
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:46 am

Quoting SIBILLE (Thread starter):
The guide told me tourism was growing in North Korea and the airlines could reopen an european destnation, so Il-96 could help.

TOURISM? In NORTH KOREA? Do tell!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
Please post the TR here

I too would love to see your trip report! But I ask that you post it in our Trip Reports forum rather than here in Civil Aviation. Thanks!
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:48 am

Quoting acidradio (Reply 3):
TOURISM? In NORTH KOREA? Do tell!

I did hear rumors that the regime is trying to open the country up more. Unfortunately, Americans still can't partake, according to that rumor
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:58 am

Quoting SIBILLE (Thread starter):
The guide told me tourism was growing in North Korea and the airlines could reopen an european destnation, so Il-96 could help.

Highly unlikely due to the current situation(s) and sanctions by the West. But who knows, Mickey and Minnie preformed before the great leader a couple of weeks ago.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:59 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
I did hear rumors that the regime is trying to open the country up more. Unfortunately, Americans still can't partake, according to that rumor

However, there's a travel agency -- I believe in Chicago -- that specializes in organizing trips from the US to North Korea.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:03 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 6):
However, there's a travel agency -- I believe in Chicago -- that specializes in organizing trips from the US to North Korea.

This New Zealand travel agency claims to offer North Korea, too, from Beijing.

http://www.exploreworldwide.co.nz/ho...details/north-korea-adventure-tour

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Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:17 am

The tours all start in Beijing. One of my colleagues is heading there next month ... she's looking forward to the visit.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:26 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 6):

However, there's a travel agency -- I believe in Chicago -- that specializes in organizing trips from the US to North Korea

There was an agency known as I-Explore, in Chicago near Harpo studios, that did lots of off the beaten path custom built trips, I used to do the air arrangements for their travellers and N. Korea was on the menu, but from what I understand they have ceased operations.

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 8):
The tours all start in Beijing. One of my colleagues is heading there next month ... she's looking forward to the visit

What people I have sent to N. Korea their side journeys did start in Beijing each time, but that was due to the land operator that was used for the tours we were booking.
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:17 am

Quoting acidradio (Reply 3):
TOURISM? In NORTH KOREA? Do tell!

My buddy went on one provided by Juche tours. They've got some aviation themed tours planned for the future. See below:

http://www.juchetravelservices.com/The%20Tours/Group%20Tours.html

Just to add, there is no issue with Americans visiting N Korea. Only they have to fly in/out and are not permitted on the China-N Korea train service.

[Edited 2012-07-23 01:21:20]
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 10):
Just to add, there is no issue with Americans visiting N Korea. Only they have to fly in/out and are not permitted on the China-N Korea train service.

Oh wow, sign me up! I hope they're not too crabby about photography, cuz I tend to take quite a few photos  
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:38 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Oh wow, sign me up! I hope they're not too crabby about photography, cuz I tend to take quite a few photos

Feel free to take photos of anything, they tell you can take photos of I guess. I believe there are some restrictions, just be sure you check out what is cool to photograph before you go, and if possible ask your tour guide if your in any question.

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 10):
Just to add, there is no issue with Americans visiting N Korea. Only they have to fly in/out and are not permitted on the China-N Korea train service.

And you must be on an escorted tour, there is no random tourism in N Korea yet, especially for Americans, I don't know if this changes with those citizens of countries N. Korea has diplomatic relations with, like China.
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:55 am

As my English is far to be perfect, I will let the trip report to one of the other participant (and I'm sure some of them will post) but to help you waiting, here are the two first video I posted this morning
Il-62 and Il-76 flight (the next will follow this week).
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am

AWESOME!!! Thanks for sharing!
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:07 am

OMG. This is great (the videos). How the hell did you manage to take sightseeing flight on IL-76? I am so jealous!
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:21 am

If anyone has access to the Airliner World magazine there is a very good report in the Aug 2012 edition of a flying enthusiasts visit to North Korea and it seems the guys on the trip had a ball - and little or no restriction on photography at airports.
 
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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:26 am

They will depend on models built in China or Russia without usage of any Western parts - this leaves not much choice, even the SuperJet is out. To Beijing there is ome choice, there are enough air worthy Tu154 out there, or a Tu204. But to go further, the Il96 is the only choice.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Darn, I guess that ends the rumor that they wanted to purchase a few 787s and 737 Max at full retail price!  
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting acidradio (Reply 3):
TOURISM? In NORTH KOREA? Do tell!

I guess most of it stems from the attraction of seeing a completely backwards society, closed in on itself where there is no freedom, no uncensored information and a brutal political regime in a very poor country with delusions of grandeur.

They also seem to have found a niche attracting aviation enthusiasts and allowing them to get a taste of soviet era aviation.  

I'd go have a look if I could.

Ironically, as the country opens up to the modern world, assuming it does eventually, the interest will wane and the tourists will stop coming...
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:37 pm

Like Imiakhtar already posted, this was from July's aviation tour. Juche Travel Services is running several tours over the course of the year (May and July have already finished. I think there's one in August, I'm going on the September tour, and there are more in October and into 2013). They include flights to Pyongyang from Beijing for a week, including the IL18, 62 and 76, Tu20, 154 and 134, An24 and Mil-17. The IL76, Mil 17 and AN24 are all optional sightseeing flights for a bit extra.

It's an awesome opportunity and at a pretty modest price considering you have a weeks acommodation, excursions, 7 domestic flights and two international on some of the rarest aircraft in the world!

Every time I see North Korea on the news or anything about these tours I get more and more excited for September!
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting SIBILLE (Thread starter):
The guide told me tourism was growing in North Korea and the airlines could reopen an european destnation, so Il-96 could help.

What European nation would have them?
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:37 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
I did hear rumors that the regime is trying to open the country up more. Unfortunately, Americans still can't partake, according to that rumor

I'm American and I'm going to the DPRK in Sept. as part of the aviation tour. Cannot wait!
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 20):
Like Imiakhtar already posted, this was from July's aviation tour. Juche Travel Services is running several tours over the course of the year (May and July have already finished. I think there's one in August, I'm going on the September tour, and there are more in October and into 2013). They include flights to Pyongyang from Beijing for a week, including the IL18, 62 and 76, Tu20, 154 and 134, An24 and Mil-17. The IL76, Mil 17 and AN24 are all optional sightseeing flights for a bit extra.

In fact, it's a MI-8, not a Mi-17.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 23):
In fact, it's a MI-8, not a Mi-17

The recent article in airliner world and everywhere else I've looked quotes them as being Mi-17's. Though you've actually been out there and flown on one so I'm more inclined to believe you. They both look identical anyway  
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 13):

WOW! Amazing!!!!

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 22):
I'm American and I'm going to the DPRK in Sept. as part of the aviation tour. Cannot wait!

Nice! i did read that travel agency website and they did address the touchy points, so in a few years I may add DPRK to my world tour  
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:45 pm

Please don't be so stupid as to go on a tour to North Korea. Any tour you go on to North Korea literally funds Kim Jong-un's sadistic crime regime.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
I did hear rumors that the regime is trying to open the country up more. Unfortunately, Americans still can't partake, according to that rumor

I went to North Korea on May.

All nationalities are welcome except South Koreans.
There is no random tourism in North Korea, it's always guided tours.
One can have a guided tour for oneself though, but that's more expensive and then again the guides never leave your side.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 21):
What European nation would have them?

I think they spoke about flying to Germany, but don't quote me on this.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:03 am

This is certainly a topic that I never expected to see discusses on a thread here. Thanks for posting the videos. They really are a rare treat. It is hard to believe they were only made a few weeks ago! The interior and the cockpit of the Il-62 looks so old! The meal looked half decent though!
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 27):
went to North Korea on May.

All nationalities are welcome except South Koreans.
There is no random tourism in North Korea, it's always guided tours.
One can have a guided tour for oneself though, but that's more expensive and then again the guides never leave your side.

Maybe I'm a bit cautious but I would imagine having a North Korean stamp in one's passport would invoke some 'extra questioning' at customs entry points in various countries?
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting jetblast (Reply 29):
Maybe I'm a bit cautious but I would imagine having a North Korean stamp in one's passport would invoke some 'extra questioning' at customs entry points in various countries?

I was given to understand that you receive a card prior to departure from PEK to FNJ that gains you entry into the country which is collected upon departure and that no stamp is made in the passport, (unless you live a country that has DPRK consular services...then a visa is affixed to a passport page.) This is how the Soviet Union also handled visa issuance back in the day.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting jetblast (Reply 29):
Maybe I'm a bit cautious but I would imagine having a North Korean stamp in one's passport would invoke some 'extra questioning' at customs entry points in various countries?
Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 30):
I was given to understand that you receive a card prior to departure from PEK to FNJ that gains you entry into the country which is collected upon departure and that no stamp is made in the passport, (unless you live a country that has DPRK consular services...then a visa is affixed to a passport page.) This is how the Soviet Union also handled visa issuance back in the day.

That is exactly how it works.
If you have a DPRK embassy in your country, you can have a regular visa which will be stamped as usual, but if not, you can have a tourist card which they stamp and then retain upon departure from the DPRK. I had this (more because of lack of an embassy here). I picked it up in Beijing.

I know some people with the tourist card that have asked the immigration officer in the DPRK to stamp their passport regardless, some have been succesful and some not (pretty much depends on the officer you get and his/her mood in the moment).

I have known of people with DPRK visas and stamps going through US and Japanese immigration without hassle, but I guess there may be some extra questioning at places perhaps.
I think it would be most problematic in South Korea of all places (but that's just what I think, I don't have any actual facts to support it).

I guess some people would be interested in this, this is my tourist card for the DPRK, front, back (with the stamps) and info page:



------------------

As for the topic in discussion, what we were told in may is that some regulations come into force in 2013 that would render the Il-62 in its current Air Koryo configuration illegal for flying abroad. I do not know if it has to do with noise or something else. They told us they would keep it airworthy though, but what do I know...

[Edited 2012-07-23 21:49:39]
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:47 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 31):
As for the topic in discussion, what we were told in may is that some regulations come into force in 2013 that would render the Il-62 in its current Air Koryo configuration illegal for flying abroad. I do not know if it has to do with noise or something else. They told us they would still keep it airworthy though, but what do I know...

I've heard the same thing and it's for noise, apparently. Can't recover my source, though  
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:59 am

I really wish they flew the IL 96 !! This aircraft would suite their fleet .
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:58 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 26):
Please don't be so stupid as to go on a tour to North Korea. Any tour you go on to North Korea literally funds Kim Jong-un's sadistic crime regime.

Why should one not be allowed to visit a particular country? For an aviation enthusiast the DPRK is heaven on earth where you can fly types of planes that you couldn't fly elsewhere (or as cheap?). If one should stop visiting countries that don't comply with the human rights then he or she shouldn't travel much. What with countries that actually perform executions? If people would take this in consideration then few would visit the USA for example, what about countries where prisoners are put into to small cells? It happens here in my country, so maybe people should stop visiting Belgium also? What about women's rights? There are plenty of countries where women don't have the same rights as men. Should we stop visiting these countries too? I can continue this if you want... What I mean is, if one should only visit the countries in the world that 100% comply with every international law then we wouldn't travel at all. The most important is your own personal safety. If it's safe to travel and if it's legal to travel one should be able to travel to everywhere on the planet (and beyond when the space travel picks up in a few decades).

I agree that the DPRK is off charts from our point of view and yes, travelling to the DPRK does fund the regime (a little bit), but stopping to travel to the DPRK is only a drop on a hot plate (like we say here). It won't make any difference at all.

We can only hope that a peaceful solution can be found and from what I see and read I think there's a decent chance that the DPRK will be more democratic in the (far?) future, but you'll need to give it some time. Rome wasn't built on one day you know  


Anyway, I find it marvelous that you can actually fly on board of planes that many of us never have flown with.

[Edited 2012-07-24 01:20:41]
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:03 am

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 30):
Maybe I'm a bit cautious but I would imagine having a North Korean stamp in one's passport would invoke some 'extra questioning' at customs entry points in various countries?
I was given to understand that you receive a card prior to departure from PEK to FNJ that gains you entry into the country which is collected upon departure and that no stamp is made in the passport, (unless you live a country that has DPRK consular services...then a visa is affixed to a passport page.) This is how the Soviet Union also handled visa issuance back in the day.

Isn't this what Israel and Cuba can, or already do for visitors? I know an Israeli stamp can keep many from entering a myriad of middle eastern countries.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:15 am

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 34):
Why should one not be allowed to visit a particular country? For an aviation enthusiast the DPRK is heaven on earth where you can fly types of planes that you could fly elsewhere (or as cheap?). If one should stop visiting countries that don't comply with the human rights then he or she shouldn't travel much

  
I went on this tour last week and of course I took in consideration if it were immoral. But the small 3 figure sum they keep as net profit on me is most likely spent on prestige objects; keeping their fleet in the air, rebuilding the airport, maybe a small part of a new Kim statue or a new hardly used sports stadium, will that hurt human rights? The positive thing is the country is slowly opening and compared to my earlier visit 2 years ago things seem to be going in the right direction
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 19):

May i learn from where did you got such a great objective insight on the situation in North Korea if you have never been there neither ever studied its history (what's seem to be obvious from your comment)?
Do you know how the "brutal etc." came to power and why the country is as it is?
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:54 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 26):

Sadistic crime regime? Oh, common, how many countries did North Korea invade in the past 60 years and toppled their democractically elected governements, destroyed societies around the world militarly and/or financially?
I think you're very bad placed to talk about "brutality" and crime in other countries. I suggest you first stop dreaming, open your eyes and look what is happening in front of your nose. There is no public shooting sprees in North Korea. How come you don't call for boycot of Saudi oil that you're driving your car with? Cause next to Saudi Arabian regime North Korea looks like Disneyland.
But i guess you didn't knew that, your Masters didn't tell you to think that way, sorry, i should have guessed...

The US exercises the same if not greater level of control over its citizens, just in a more sophisticated, elaborate and manipulative/disguised way which is by far more damaging to the human being cause it is your mind that is being enslaved and you're just the perfect proof of it, same as the French poster i quoted above.

If the US was as "brutal" as North Korea is, not exporting its problems and fueling civil wars around the world, i think the world today would be a much better place to live.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 35):
I know an Israeli stamp can keep many from entering a myriad of middle eastern countries.

Indeed it does - Some years back I was refused an entry visa to Saudi because I had visited Israel - I was very happy! [My boss slightly less so as he had to find someone else to go].
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 39):

DOD and State Department Charters often don't get passport stamps. One Charter I was several years ago, U.S. Customs actually were on the aircraft with us, and collected out passports at ADW, and returned them 10 days later in ADW. Not one stamp, or mark in the passport. I've done DOD charters, were I was "relieved" from going through Customs.

I have two friends going to North Korea for the charters. I'm so jealous! (and both are avid photographers, so there better be lots of pictures!)
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 26):
Please don't be so stupid as to go on a tour to North Korea. Any tour you go on to North Korea literally funds Kim Jong-un's sadistic crime regime.

This is the dumbest thing that I've read here in a long time.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:25 pm

Last year there was a thread about JS planning two flights with TU204 to SXF.

Air Koryo To Berlin Schönefeld (by something Oct 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)#1

It seems like the flights have been cancelled due to the need to deploy the aircraft on other routes, but that are just rumours from a German Forum.

http://www.nordkorea-info.de/forum/thread-652.html (German only)
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 41):
This is the dumbest thing that I've read here in a long time.

The country has no economy. Other than trading weapons on the black market, and foreign aid. How do you think they generate revenue?

You guessed it. Guided tours to North Korea.

Idiots.
 
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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:19 pm

Note: I have NOT yet gone to North Korea. 

Anyway...

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 43):
The country has no economy. Other than trading weapons on the black market, and foreign aid. How do you think they generate revenue?

You guessed it. Guided tours to North Korea.

Idiots.

I don't think you're generating any more good will by denigrating forumers based on their travel preferences. And, I must agree: all countries have skeletons in their closets, whether it be North Korea, the United States, the Philippines, etc. The only difference between North Korea and the rest of us is that North Korea, by hook or by crook, at least keeps its skeletons somewhat amusing and interesting to see (I mean seriously, who wouldn't want to see all the "gifts" given to Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il, right?) compared to the rest of us, which in turn adds to the novelty.

Pray tell, then: if you are so intent on not wanting people to go to North Korea, where then should they go, if all countries have skeletons in their closets, and all countries are not as saintly as you'd portray them to be compared to North Korea?

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Anyway, to stay on-topic: since the Il-62s will be pulled out of international service based on what I'm reading, I wonder where they'll be deployed to domestically. Or will they be scrapped?

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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 43):
The country has no economy. Other than trading weapons on the black market, and foreign aid. How do you think they generate revenue?

You guessed it. Guided tours to North Korea.

Idiots.

It has economy other than what you say (in case what you say is true, I have no proof myself).
That it may have little or no growth or may or not be enough to sustain itself is something different.

If I did not spend money on countries that do things the way I don't like or don't condone I wouldn't even pay a single cent of taxes to my own government since they suck and I absolutely do not approve of them.
North Korea has many bad things going on (in my mind especially the kwan-li-so camps like Yodok or so) but one had to be a very closed person not to grasp the opportunity to see the country from the inside (as much "guidance" and propaganda there is, indeed) and in my case, have the chance to fly mighty Soviet airplanes I would not be able to fly anywhere else. The regime may collapse tomorrow for all we know and then the chance is gone forever (like the Soviet Union for example).

Perhaps it would be good if you turned the TV off for a second.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 44):
Anyway, to stay on-topic: since the Il-62s will be pulled out of international service based on what I'm reading, I wonder where they'll be deployed to domestically. Or will they be scrapped?

What they told us in may is that they intend on keeping them Airworthy, but I do not think they would have much scheduled activity internally. These regulations may not fully apply to military flights, and they still have one Il-62 that is kind of the "presidential" transport, or was some years ago (reg: P-618).

I don't think they'll scrap them.

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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 43):
The country has no economy. Other than trading weapons on the black market, and foreign aid. How do you think they generate revenue?

You guessed it. Guided tours to North Korea.

Idiots.

And bringing 3x 10 people a year for 1600 euros a head will contribute to the economy.
 
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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting SQ22 (Reply 42):
It seems like the flights have been cancelled due to the need to deploy the aircraft on other routes, but that are just rumours from a German Forum.

They only have like 3 or 4 TU204s apparently
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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:42 pm

The North Korean Olympic team left Pyongyang last week - so they should be here in London by now.

There is a video clip of them at the airport walking across the apron to what seems to be their plane for the journey.

To my untrained eye it looks like a TU204 which tallies with the 2 TU204 treated as exceptions to the Air Koryo ban on entering EU airspace. Does anyone know for sure which type they used, and on the assumption it wouldn't fly non-stop to London which route it took?

Here's the link to the video clip

http://www.wltx.com/video/1739528878...Korean-Athletes-Leave-For-Olympics
 
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RE: Rumor About Air Koryo's Future Fleet

Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 48):
The North Korean Olympic team left Pyongyang last week - so they should be here in London by now.

There is a video clip of them at the airport walking across the apron to what seems to be their plane for the journey.

To my untrained eye it looks like a TU204 which tallies with the 2 TU204 treated as exceptions to the Air Koryo ban on entering EU airspace. Does anyone know for sure which type they used, and on the assumption it wouldn't fly non-stop to London which route it took?

Here's the link to the video clip

Quick trip down to Beijing and onto Air China connection one expects ,not too many of them in squad with officials and security.

Looks like the Tu204-300 - P632 .

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
They only have like 3 or 4 TU204s apparently

They had just two a Tu204-100


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The two passenger IL62m aircraft are excluded from the EU due to incomplete Mx records.