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SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:24 am

This winter, Singapore Airlines will swap the aircraft used on the SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-FRA-JFK routes. The means SFO will see the A380 and JFK the B777-300ER.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/24/sq-w12update2/

Have these airports seen SQ service with these aircraft types already?
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:35 am

Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):
Have these airports seen SQ service with these aircraft types already?

NO.

I've been asking for years about SQ operating the A380 into SFO. And all the naysayers said Singapore would not operate the A380 into SFO anytime soon.

SQ flying the A380 into SFO is the best airline news of the year for me. I'll even go further than that, I'm confident SFO will have SQ A380 service year round soon.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:43 am

In addition to that....it looks like NRT and LAX will both get another A380. Two for NRT through SQ and a new rotation (continuation of SIN-NRT into LAX). I think QA is the only other A380 operating out of LAX if I am not mistaken?

"Tokyo Narita will be served with two A380s each day instead of one. This will also be on a seasonal basis between 28 December and 24 March in place of B777-300ER services. The existing A380 service will continue to operate to Tokyo Narita and beyond to Los Angeles."

http://www.impactpub.com.au/micebtn/...-50/12146-singapore-shuffles-fleet
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:46 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 2):
The existing A380 service will continue to operate to Tokyo Narita and beyond to Los Angeles."

Misread the article as LAX is already apart of the SIN-NRT-LAX A380 routing. Looks like just a 2nd rotation for NRT only out of SIN.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:56 am

When SQ introduced the A380 many thought SFO to HKG would be th second route to get the plane, it seems to be the last major SQ route to get it. IT took long enough but finally we can all take the A380 to HKG from the USA.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:02 pm

A surprisingly quick change of heart, but not all that shocking. SFO is becoming quite an A380 hotspot these days...
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:08 pm

Interesting to see SIN-FRA-JFK downgrading from A380 to 77W. In June I had problems getting seats on SIN-FRA. I flew on a Monday with the Saturday and Sunday flights wait listed and even the Monday flight went out full (at least in Y). However, it could be that the load on FRA-JFK is poor.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):

This winter, Singapore Airlines will swap the aircraft used on the SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-FRA-JFK routes. The means SFO will see the A380 and JFK the B777-300ER.

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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:13 pm

Might this mean that SQ might need a few more A380s?
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
SFO is becoming quite an A380 hotspot these days...

well they only Lufthansa and now Singapore. AF pulled the A380 out of SFO

LAX is up to 4 A380 operators
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
well they only Lufthansa and now Singapore.

As of now, it will be LH in the summer and SQ in the winter.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:27 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 10):
As of now, it will be LH in the summer and SQ in the winter.

LH extended the 380 route just until JAN13.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
Interesting to see SIN-FRA-JFK downgrading from A380 to 77W.

Don't forget that USA-Europe demand drops off sharply after the summer season. I think LH pulled their A380 from FRA-JFK last winter as well.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 2):
I think QA is the only other A380 operating out of LAX if I am not mistaken?

LAX has QF, KE, SQ, and AF.
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:32 pm

FRA will be down to two A380 operators (LH/KE) until TG starts service in December.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:47 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):

Oops, sorry. I didn't realise AF had pulled their service...

Is this change seasonal, or year round?
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
Oops, sorry. I didn't realise AF had pulled their service...

Is this change seasonal, or year round?

They only operated June 6 to September 9, 2011, following the confusion after pulling the A380 off the NRT route.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
However, it could be that the load on FRA-JFK is poor.

Apparently so. There is quite a bit of competition and the departure time from FRA (08:20) is very early. Also, they only codeshare with US, not LH or UA. I wonder why that is so.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:26 pm

I think it's a shame to downgrade the SIN-FRA-JFK from a A380 to a 777. That is a very long flight and I think the passengers will miss not being able to walk around.

I hope they find an A380 to do that route.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:26 pm

SQ sure loves moving it's A380s around.

They moved the a380 off the MEL route earlier this year to put it onto FRA/JFK, although the flight is back now and they are adding the 2nd daily here also. The priorities are obviously reviewed on an ongoing basis to allocate this aircraft around.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:33 pm

Anyone have thoughts about how CX will respond to this?
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
That is a very long flight and I think the passengers will miss not being able to walk around.

I did not know they could not walk around on a 77W?  

Glad to see SQ 1/2 being flown by the A380. Besides Chinese New Year, kind of odd to start during the Winter season. If it pans out, I would expect it to be flown during the S13 season.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:40 pm

Hopefully this will become year round quickly. Hong Kong is the busiest international destination from SFO with nealry a million passengers annually on three airlines. It's about time SQ stepped up to the plate and put their flagship bird on their flagship route.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:48 pm

Is this a seasonal change @ JFK? It is such a shame and I'm sure gonna miss seeing the exotic aircraft. Plus, this does not help in the war between JFK and LAX to see who can get more a380s!  
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
However, it could be that the load on FRA-JFK is poor.

That might be a reason why during the fall months you find these seats at quite promotional price on the market. In 2011 there was an offer like 499 Euro including taxes RT, a few years ago I saw one at 349 Euro including taxes.

SQ could have better load factors on this segment if they would fly later, most transfer passengers can not make it in due time for the departure at 8:30 from FRA, and to pay one extra night in the hotel, visa issue, makes these offers interesting only for residents of the Rhine-Maine-Area.
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:15 pm

No matter how great the SQ product is, SQ is never going to have an easy time in a market such as FRA-JFK...it's not a "natural" market for SQ given that neither end of this route is SQ's home market. LH will have the lion's share of the market from the German end, and the US carriers control a good portion on the US side. The regular traveler also almost never thinks of SQ when they want to fly between Germany and NY, hence SQ often has to offer discounts both in Y and in J between JFK and FRA.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 15):
Also, they only codeshare with US, not LH or UA. I wonder why that is so.

Long time ago, LH used to codeshare on SQ's FRA-JFK but they ended that relationship only one or two years after.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
Interesting to see SIN-FRA-JFK downgrading from A380 to 77W. In June I had problems getting seats on SIN-FRA.

I had trouble getting on a flight JFK-FRA on April 14. Eventually I made it on that flight, but it was packed. Not a single seat left and Y, J and F.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting FN1001 (Reply 22):
SQ could have better load factors on this segment if they would fly later, most transfer passengers can not make it in due time for the departure at 8:30 from FRA, and to pay one extra night in the hotel, visa issue, makes these offers interesting only for residents of the Rhine-Maine-Area.

Totally agree. I had this issue myself. I did JFK-FRA (with SQ) and then FRA-CPH (with SK) which was a perfect fit transfer-wise. But I have been looking at going the other way back to the States and the departure 8.30am is just impossible to make.

As SQ26/25 is 11H35Mins on the ground in JFK it probably wouldn't matter with a later arrival. Leaving 9.45am or 10am. would be perfect. Not sure how that would work in terms of a later departure from SIN, but AFAIK, some flights leave around 1am. And arriving 1 hour later into FRA probably wouldn't be an issue later (especially with business pax in mind).
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 20):
It's about time SQ stepped up to the plate and put their flagship bird on their flagship route.

SQ has many routes with more frequencies (BKK 5x daily, HKG 7x daily) for instance.

For historical reasons and sheer frequency, I would say SIN-LHR would be the closest SQ has to a flagship route with 3 daily 388's and 1 daily 77W.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):
Have these airports seen SQ service with these aircraft types already?

I am pretty sure that one of the several daily SQ SIN-HKG frequencies is served with an A380.
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:07 pm

Quoting abba (Reply 8):
Might this mean that SQ might need a few more A380s?

Maybe. I see SQ being a bit conservative in aircraft orders for another ~18 months.

Quoting panamair (Reply 23):
The regular traveler also almost never thinks of SQ when they want to fly between Germany and NY, hence SQ often has to offer discounts both in Y and in J between JFK and FRA.

I'm not surprised. In particular as there seems to be little code sharing at FRA. How about at JFK?

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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 13):
FRA will be down to two A380 operators (LH/KE) until TG starts service in December.

Not sure when TG will have the A380 on the FRA route but as SQ will do the switch to the 777 on 27DEC, the possibility for only 2 A380 operators is not very big.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 15):
Apparently so. There is quite a bit of competition and the departure time from FRA (08:20) is very early. Also, they only codeshare with US, not LH or UA. I wonder why that is so.

Because SQ is not part of the transatlantic JV of LH/UA/AC.

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
I think it's a shame to downgrade the SIN-FRA-JFK from a A380 to a 777. That is a very long flight and I think the passengers will miss not being able to walk around.

I hope they find an A380 to do that route.

What is the difference between walking around in a A380 compared to a 777? As you cannot walk through the Biz Class there is no big difference.

SQ always had difficulties filling the FRA-NYC flight. There are not many codeshare feeder and SQ is offering many cheap fares only out of FRA so they don't have to pay a pro rate.
Since JAN12 CO/UA has also a early morning flights so another advantage is not there any more.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 20):
Hong Kong is the busiest international destination from SFO with nealry a million passengers annually on three airlines.

You are incorrect. There are more weekly seats and flights SFO-TYO then there are SFO-HKG.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting fraT (Reply 29):
Quoting LH422 (Reply 15):
Apparently so. There is quite a bit of competition and the departure time from FRA (08:20) is very early. Also, they only codeshare with US, not LH or UA. I wonder why that is so.

Because SQ is not part of the transatlantic JV of LH/UA/AC.

SQ doesn't even codeshare with UA. They've never been the best of friends.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:38 pm

I think this is much more about reality in Europe and FRA/JFK market then how great SFO might be.

SQ simply has to place the A380 someplace, and SFO was the least worst option at the moment.

Hopefully Europe will stabilize a bit in the coming year, and SQ and reintroduce the A380.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):
Have these airports seen SQ service with these aircraft types already?

SFO has seen the SQ 744 (RIP   ) and the 77W. We have only seen A380 service with LH and AF. Both LH and AF served us with the A380 last summer; only LH is using that type this summer.

Unsure if JFK has seen the SQ 77W on regular service.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
A surprisingly quick change of heart, but not all that shocking. SFO is becoming quite an A380 hotspot these days...

Which is good and bad because it means that we get more A380's   but suggests that we won't be seeing many 787's   (given that it implies that our demand is large enough to justify A380's). Not even UA really plans on operating the 787 out of SFO.

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
I think it's a shame to downgrade the SIN-FRA-JFK from a A380 to a 777. That is a very long flight and I think the passengers will miss not being able to walk around.

They're both widebodies with two aisles and multiple crossovers that will allow passengers to walk around if they want. The only difference is that the A380 has two decks.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:51 pm

Top SFO international market is indeed HKG.

Per DOT in 2011, 891,257 flew the route.

Second largest is LHR, while to Asia the second largest is ICN at 635,575.
In comparison NRT was down the list a bit with 565,957.
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 2):
I think QA is the only other A380 operating out of LAX if I am not mistaken?

QF has daily MEL and Daily SYD
KE has daily ICN
AF has daily CDG
SQ has daily NRT-SIN

Does this mark the first time officially that SFO will have more SQ service than LAX?
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
Interesting to see SIN-FRA-JFK downgrading from A380 to 77W. In June I had problems getting seats on SIN-FRA. I flew on a Monday with the Saturday and Sunday flights wait listed and even the Monday flight went out full (at least in Y). However, it could be that the load on FRA-JFK is poor.
Quoting FSDan (Reply 12):

Don't forget that USA-Europe demand drops off sharply after the summer season. I think LH pulled their A380 from FRA-JFK last winter as well.

   . No codeshares and the rather early westbound departure makes the flight less desirable for the majority, even though SQ's service is among the best.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 17):
SQ sure loves moving it's A380s around.

They do and should. That's how an airline makes money. Up and downgauging a/c according to demand!

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 35):

Does this mark the first time officially that SFO will have more SQ service than LAX?

I believe it is since SIN-LAX-SIN is not a daily flight and carries ways fewer passengers than SQ's 77Ws versus the A345 on the ULH nonstop.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 35):
Does this mark the first time officially that SFO will have more SQ service than LAX?

SQ has operated more seats out of SFO for the past several years, at least since the LAX-TPE-SIN went to the 345 LAX-SIN nonstop.

Quoting bioyuki (Reply 30):
You are incorrect. There are more weekly seats and flights SFO-TYO then there are SFO-HKG.

LOL--Last I checked the statistic has zero to do with the number of flights and/or seats

Quoting bkkair (Reply 26):

For historical reasons and sheer frequency, I would say SIN-LHR would be the closest SQ has to a flagship route with 3 daily 388's and 1 daily 77W.

The SQ 1/2 flight numbers would typically indicate the flagship route. This is likely up for debate, but that's how I have always understood it. I would also doubt there is bigger moneymaker for them to North America...
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 7):

If they're just swapping aircraft, why would SQ change the flight numbers?

A bit off topic but... how long has SFO held the SQ 1/2 flight numbers?
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 34):
Top SFO international market is indeed HKG.

Per DOT in 2011, 891,257 flew the route.

Second largest is LHR, while to Asia the second largest is ICN at 635,575.
In comparison NRT was down the list a bit with 565,957.

In terms of capacity for summer 2012:

SFO-TYO: 9,100 weekly seats
SFO-HKG: 9,023
SFO-ICN: 8,225
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 37):
SQ has operated more seats out of SFO for the past several years, at least since the LAX-TPE-SIN went to the 345 LAX-SIN nonstop.

LAX daily capacity on SQ
A380
471
A340-500
100
Total: 571


SFO daily capacity on SQ
2x 777-300ER
2 x 278 = 556

So, on the days that the LAX-SIN nonstop does fly, LAX has more SQ capacity than SFO. And it ocasionally does go daily.
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:47 am

About time SQ1/2 goes whale jet.

SQ1/2 is very difficult to secure seat in J- especially saturday departure.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:08 am

I am guessing LH and SQ have something worked out on the JFK-FRA route.

Also, I be UA and SQ have something worked out as well out of SFO to make it probably stay year round.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 34):
Top SFO international market is indeed HKG.

Per DOT in 2011, 891,257 flew the route.

Second largest is LHR, while to Asia the second largest is ICN at 635,575.
In comparison NRT was down the list a bit with 565,957.

Do these stats only consider O&D traffic? I would believe that. In terms of available capacity, it's very close. Currently:

SFO-HKG
UA Daily 744
CX Daily 744
CX Daily 77W
SQ Daily 77W

SFO-NRT
UA Daily 744
UA Daily 772
DL Daily 767
NH Daily 77W
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SFO-HND
JL Daily 772

If the numbers include connections, then some of the Tokyo flights must be quite empty...
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:52 am

This is great news for me because it's my best shot of flying the A380 this year  

Why would they be changing the flight numbers though from SQ1/2?
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:17 am

Not experienced on FRA-JFK but from what I heard, this 5th freedom flight was never high yielding for SQ, Many here were surprised when they announced a 380 for this route. Guess they thought the hype they generated with their marketing for this craft would have bumped this route up but it didnt.

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 37):
The SQ 1/2 flight numbers would typically indicate the flagship route. This is likely up for debate, but that's how I have always understood it. I would also doubt there is bigger moneymaker for them to North America...
Quoting bkkair (Reply 26):
SQ has many routes with more frequencies (BKK 5x daily, HKG 7x daily) for instance.

For historical reasons and sheer frequency, I would say SIN-LHR would be the closest SQ has to a flagship route with 3 daily 388's and 1 daily 77W

Depends on what you consider a flagship route.

I would think of SQ's flagship as SIN-KUL. Yeap, that 30-40minute flight. For historic albeit early historic reasons. SQ and MH started as Malayan Airways, later renamed Malaysia-Singapore Airlines when Sg was kicked out the Malaysian federation. Only 7 years later did they split into the two different airlines they are now. MSA was based out of SIN and primarily a domestic and regional airline with SIN-KUL being perhaps the most important route for it.

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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:38 am

FINALLY.

People forget that the San Francisco Bay Area (indeed, much of northern California) has a huge expatriate population of Hong Kong-born Chinese (including me!  ), and they would welcome more seats available between SFO and HKG. I think SQ is discovering that the 777-300ER might be just a tad too small for the route between HKG and SFO, hence the reason why they're finally assigning the A388 to this route. Besides, LH operating the A388 between SFO and FRA has shown SFO can handle the A388 with no problems.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:20 am

Hi Ray I was wondering when you'd reply. I had tracked your posts on SQ2/1 going A380 from 2008:


SQ 380 New Routes (by Planetime Aug 19 2008 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4113149&searchid=4115723&s=Docpepz#ID4115723
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Tue Jul 1 2008
I still think once the Summer Olympics this year are over, SQ may start the A380-800 on the SQ 001/SQ 002 route, with a 747-400 flying on alternate days. The San Francisco Bay Area is home to a HUGE ex-patriate Hong Kong community (e.g, plentiful demand for the segment between San Francisco and Hong Kong!)

Reply 51, posted Thu Mar 13 2008 08:57:27 your local time (5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1041 times:
From what I've read, SQ can fly SIN-NRT with the A380-800 because they can do it with one plane (fly both ways within 24 hours). However, once SQ gets its sixth plane by July 2008, that will finally allow SQ to fly the SIN-HKG-SFO route (they'll need two planes to fly this route).

Reply 155, posted Sun Mar 9 2008 23:02:19 your local time (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5562 times:
I believe that with six A380-800's in service by July 2008, expect SQ to start putting the plane on its most financially lucrative route: Flights SQ 001/002 between SIN and SFO via HKG.

Reply 30, posted Thu Feb 14 2008 23:08:52 your local time (6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4070 times:
A little off-topic, but I think once 9V-SKF is delivered in June 2008 expect SQ to finally put the plane on its most lucrative route: SIN to SFO via HKG (SQ 001/002 route).

Reply 24, posted Sun Jan 13 2008 14:53:28 your local time (7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1955 times:
I think SQ may start the SIN-HKG-SFO SQ 001/002 route earlier than people think. There is more competition on the LHR-SIN route, and given the fact the segment between HKG and SFO is probably SQ's most profitable route (thanks to a huge Hong Kong ex-patriate community living in northern California, including me! ), SQ may want to use the A380 on this route at the earliest opportunity.

Reply 17, posted Sun Jan 6 2008 22:32:52 your local time (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
I personally think that Singapore Airlines may put the A380-800 on the SIN-HKG-SFO route sooner than you think--possibly by the time SQ gets their fourth A388. The reason is simple: the SQ 001/002 route is that airline's most profitable route, even more profitable on a per-seat basis than LHR-SIN-SYD. Why? Mostly due to the HUGE Hong Kong expatriate population that lives in northern California (that includes me! ). Why do you think Cathay Pacific has gone double-daily flights between HKG and SFO?

Reply 36, posted Thu Jan 17 2008 11:36:45 your local time (7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
I still think Singapore Airlines wants to get the A380-800 on the SQ 001/002 route (SIN to SFO via HKG) as soon as possible--it could be SQ's third route after flights to SYD and LHR from SIN. There's really good reason for this: the segment between SFO and HKG has HUGE amounts of O&D traffic, thanks to the very large population of Hong Kong expatriates living in northern California.

Reply 24, posted Sun Jan 13 2008 14:53:28 your local time (7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1955 times:
I think SQ may start the SIN-HKG-SFO SQ 001/002 route earlier than people think. There is more competition on the LHR-SIN route, and given the fact the segment between HKG and SFO is probably SQ's most profitable route (thanks to a huge Hong Kong ex-patriate community living in northern California, including me! ), SQ may want to use the A380 on this route at the earliest opportunity.

Reply 21, posted Thu Nov 15 2007 12:42:35 your local time (9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8993 times:
I think by summer 2008 Singapore Airlines will be ready to start flying the A380-800 on its most lucrative route: Singapore to San Francisco via Hong Kong (flghts SQ 001/002). I expect SQ to fly a mix of 747-400's and A388's on this route until late 2008, when it goes all A388 service.

Reply 13, posted Fri Oct 19 2007 11:12:57 your local time (10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5363 times:
I think it's far more likely SQ will try to push for using the A380-800 on the SQ 001/002 route (SIN to SFO via HKG) as soon as possible. The reason is simple: this is SQ's most profitable route, even more so than SIN-LHR; the sector between HKG and SFO is highly desirable given the huge Hong Kong expatriate population that lives in northern California.

Reply 5, posted Tue Oct 16 2007 12:56:51 your local time (10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4815 times:
I'm not surprised SQ will fly the SQ 001/002 route later in 2008. The reason is simple: the HKG-SFO segment is perhaps SQ's most profitable route, thanks to the huge Hong Kong expatriate community in northern California (that includes me! ).

Reply 5, posted Sat Aug 11 2007 16:35:24 your local time (1 year 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6145 times:
I do think that SQ will try to start flying the A380-800 on the SQ 001/002 route (between SIN and SFO via HKG) probably by late summer 2008. With good reason: the segment between HKG and SFO is probably SQ's most lucrative route outside of SIN-LHR, given the very large Hong Kong expatriate population in northern California (that includes me! ).

Reply 10, posted Tue Aug 14 2007 22:42:14 your local time (1 year 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7828 times:
Not surprised that the A380 will come to SFO in October. After all, Singapore Airlines wants to fly the A380-800 on the SIN-HKG-SFO route (a big moneymaker for the airline),

Reply 40, posted Wed Sep 19 2007 09:40:26 your local time (11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 533 times:
I think Singapore Airlines' second A380 route after the LHR-SIN-SYD route will be SIN-HKG-SFO. The reason is simple: the sector on SQ 001/002 between San Francisco and Hong Kong is perhaps Singapore Airlines' most financially lucrative route, given the HUGE number of Hong Kong expatriates living in northern California (that includes me! ).

Reply 58, posted Sat Apr 7 2007 18:52:33 your local time (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10446 times:
I have this feeling that SQ may get as many as 3-4 A380-800's by the end of 2007. That may be enough to fully implement the LHR-SIN-SYD by March 2008. This may mean SQ will fly the A388 on the SIN-HKG-SFO route probably by early summer 2008.

Reply 56, posted Sun Feb 25 2007 22:27:54 your local time (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 864 times:
I've read that perhaps Singapore Airlines' most profitable route is between SIN and LHR, followed closely by SIN to SFO via HKG. In fact, SQ's flight segment between HKG and SFO is a huge moneymaker, and that's why SQ wants to put the A380-800 on this route as soon as they get enough planes.

Reply 70, posted Fri Feb 16 2007 23:04:12 your local time (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7596 times:
Folks,
I think one of the first significant airports in the USA to get A380-800 service is San Francisco (SFO) for a couple of good reasons:
1) Singapore Airlines wants to fly the A388 on the SIN to SFO via HKG route as soon as they get enough planes, thanks to the HUGE Hong Kong expatriate community in northern California (that includes me! ).

Reply 25, posted Fri Oct 20 2006 07:22:06 your local time (1 year 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 858 times:
Airbus will need to fly the A380 to HKG because SQ may try to put the A380 on the SQ 001/002 route (SIN to SFO via HKG) as soon as possible. Just the segment between HKG and SFO is probably SQ's most lucrative flight due to the huge number of Hong Kong expatriates (including me! ) living in northern California.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:20 am

There are lots of Hong Kong people in San Francisco indeed. How does that compare to Vancouver? Which city has more Hong Kong people? The A380 is a smart move.

Wonder when will SQ exercise the remaining options of the A380 or order more even. Perhaps we will see up to 30 A380s at some point
 
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RE: SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:03 pm

It seems KE are also pulling their daily A380 off the FRA route for the winter.