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Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:13 am

With SQ recently announcing they are going to 4 x daily 777 Perth - Singapore services and EK soon to go 3 x daily 777 Perth-Dubai along with CX announcing double daily PER-HKG, QR upgrading to daily PER-DOH 77L services etc the list goes on.

Out of the above what interests me is the EK/SQ services. Surely one of these two are getting close in the not too distant future to offering a regular A380 service to Perth. I know they always say that PAX want frequency but I still believe the A380 offers a trump card over the competition. Lots of the general public still seek it out to fly on it especially when there is no other services using that ac from their port.

Perth airport have announced their A380 ready gates have been brought forward and will be A380 capable from next year sometime. Has SQ/EK had discussions or dropped a hint about this?

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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting tim (Thread starter):
With SQ recently announcing they are going to 4 x daily 777 Perth - Singapore services and EK soon to go 3 x daily 777 Perth-Dubai along with CX announcing double daily PER-HKG, QR upgrading to daily PER-DOH 77L services etc the list goes on.

Sigapore is 4 hours from Perth, unlikely SQ will fly such a short haul A380, HKG to SIN is a differet market. Emirates is far more likely since they have mny more A380 then SQ and Dubai is much further.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:26 am

Perth-Singapore is a 5.5 hour flight although doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things its still a short flight. I would agree that EK would be most likely.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:33 am

It's highly doubtful that SQ would operate A380s to PER; They haven't operated aircraft fitted with First Class to Perth in recent memory. SQ has been serving PER with 2-class 772s and 333s although there seem to have been some instances where 773s and unrefurbished SQ-series (9V-SQ*) 772s were operated to PER of late. I believe the F-cabins were either blocked-off or used as J-cabins for a few very lucky pax.

For a regional route like PER, I would imagine frequency would take precedence over capacity for SQ as the A380 is simply too big an aircraft to fly to PER.

I reckon there would have to be a huge change in the operating circumstances for SQ to even consider sending the Suites-equipped A380 to PER.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):

Sigapore is 4 hours from Perth, unlikely SQ will fly such a short haul A380

I don't see that being an issue. If anything it's an advantage because SQ could easily schedule an A380 R/T to PER rather than leave the plane sitting idle in SIN.

Quoting 9VSWR (Reply 3):
It's highly doubtful that SQ would operate A380s to PER; They haven't operated aircraft fitted with First Class to Perth in recent memory.

This is a bigger issue but how is the demand for business class?
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:02 pm

Quoting tim (Thread starter):
Has SQ/EK had discussions or dropped a hint about this?

According to the West Australian earlier this month Tim Clark said EK

Quote:
wants to bring the giant 490-seat A380 to Perth within 12 months
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:49 pm

Quote "Emirates, the world's biggest international airline". But, not the world's biggest. period! Impressive sound bite, though.
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 6):
"Emirates, the world's biggest international airline".

Mmm....megalomania often comes back to haunt airlines......

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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
I don't see that being an issue. If anything it's an advantage because SQ could easily schedule an A380 R/T to PER rather than leave the plane sitting idle in SIN

But not for the about 10 hrs that a round trip would take.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting tim (Thread starter):
I know they always say that PAX want frequency but

To an extent, but I don't think EK need to offer four a day. It's a long flight to DXB, and virtually all of those pax are continuing on to Europe (or Africa or eastern Mediterranean) so by the time they arrive at their destination, they will have been travelling for up to 20 hours, so none of them are going to walk straight into a business meeting, so the difference to almost all pax between arriving at 6am or 8am, or 4pm or 7pm, is nil. I would think double daily is enough frequency to please most travellers, three tops.

In my opinion EK are adding 777s for capacity, not frequency, and are perhaps short of A380s, and there will be a shuffle of schedule when more aircraft are delivered - one of those 777s will vanish and another will become an A380.

(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:43 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)

In all marketing in Perth EK just push the Europe connection. i.e. (Have dinner in Venice tonight etc etc) That type of thing.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:53 am

Quoting tim (Reply 10):
(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)

Yes, they do. Maybe not via advertising but through the booking systems. I know several people that have done PER-JFK using this option.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:11 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?

Last time I was in the EK lounge in PER one of the passengers I ended up chatting with was on her way to IAH. For some people there are advantages to going west rather than via SYD and LAX.
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:14 pm

IMHO, for SQ what matters in this market is the frequency - hence they are unlikely to upgrade to A380 anytime soon. But for EK, they have now added flights to PER out of all three banks - so the next logical step would be to upgrade one of those to A380. However, I do not see this happening any time soon - at least not before April 2013.
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)

IAH-PER is EK's largest premium class flow market on IAH-DXB, so yes they are priced and offered
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:17 pm

Volumes & yields are there. It can be increase the utilization of the current SQ A380s
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 14):
IAH-PER is EK's largest premium class flow market on IAH-DXB, so yes they are priced and offered

Now that is interesting.....is that mineral related traffic?
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Now that is interesting.....is that mineral related traffic?

Chevron, Shell, BHP, Fluor, WorleyParsins, etc. Basically if you drive down the I-10W Energy Corridor, all those companies are sending people to PER and EK takes quite a few. QF still carries the majority of the traffic via LAX and DFW, but that's split over multiple flights. EK just has the one flight, so the traffic is more concentrated. It will be interesting to see how much of this traffic QR siphons off EK with the launch of DOH-PER.

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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:47 pm

IMO SQ reintroducing First on PER-SIN could actually be great in competing against EK who offer Suites from Perth. But I agree, my bet is on EK upgrading EK420/421 to an A380 by late 2013.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:14 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
In my opinion EK are adding 777s for capacity, not frequency, and are perhaps short of A380s, and there will be a shuffle of schedule when more aircraft are delivered - one of those 777s will vanish and another will become an A380.

It'll also be more interesting once EK, and EY, hit the maximum of UAE's alloted freqencies under the bilateral. Then we'll see if all of those 777's stay or if EK decided to upgrade some more Australia services to the A380. Frankly, if they do start doing that then SQ, even if it is just on PER-SIN, will need to start considering the same or risk losing premium pax to EK.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:58 am

Doubt SQ has the capacity to send A380's to PER with only two more on order & I believe at least one of these is set to take over the 77W on the 4th SIN-LHR route.
 
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RE: Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:51 am

I think you are all a lot of spoil sports. We only ever get to see an A380 in Perth when there is a medical emergency! And think of what it could do for the new viewing platform numbers watching on of those birds come in to land...ah well we can all dream I suppose...