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Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:28 pm

Norwegian starts, it's announced cheap route to New York in May next year. The cheapest tickets will cost from Oslo down to 1000 kroner a way - in low season. -

Cabin crew will follow the aircraft and be based in Bangkok, confirmed Kjos at the international aviation conference GBTA in Boston.

In the long term maintenance will also be done abroad. Boeing will deal with that part. Pilots and cabin that will fly the new long haul routes will not be engaged in Norwegian, but hired by staffing agencies. This will save Norwegian personnel costs. The cabin crews must live in Bangkok - The cabin crew are mainly Thais. Anyone can apply, but they must stay in Bangkok. The most important thing is that they are experienced and skilled. Since Norwegian Air Shuttle is Norwegian, we need pilots with European certificates, says CEO Bjørn Kjos.

- The airline industry is extremely competitive. It is important to be as flexible as possible when we enter a new market. We will start with a hired crew and the possibility start with employment after a while, says head of information Åsa Larsson.

Holiday westward

- It is important to understand that long-distance routes are a global market. Asians will be on vacation in the west. At first, 10-15 percent of the customers on the longhaul routes will be Asians. In five years they will account for half. In a few years, the majority will be Asians, says Kjos.


Translated excerpt from Norwegian article:

Google translation:

http://e24.no/jobb/bangkok-blir-base...gians-langdistansesatsing/20257865

Original Norwegian article:

http://e24.no/jobb/bangkok-blir-base...gians-langdistansesatsing/20257865
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:55 pm

No news really. Only confirmation from the horses mouth about DY's Thai long haul plans.

Should be interesting to hear Thai cockpit and cabincrews welcoming you onboard Norwegian (Nolwegian  ) bound for NYC or BKK.

Do we know which airport DY will fly to in the NYC area?
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Does DY have any unions? It's interesting to hear an airline publicly say none of the staffing/mx will be local, even though I'm sure many airlines would like to do so.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
The cheapest tickets will cost from Oslo down to 1000 kroner a way - in low season. -

That probably won't even cover the fuel
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 1):

Do we know which airport DY will fly to in the NYC area?

JFK is what I've heard all the time
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:33 pm

Those who think JFK will be the only launch destination in the US are in for a big surprise.

In September we will know 



[Edited 2012-07-29 15:11:40]
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:45 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Does DY have any unions? It's interesting to hear an airline publicly say none of the staffing/mx will be local, even though I'm sure many airlines would like to do so.

The unions are furious due to the recent practice of using contractors instead. A strike was avoided recently and I suppose this announcement is just more fuel on the fire.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 4):
Those who think JFK will be the only launch destination in the US are in for a big surprise

How secretive you are. Miami I guess it will be then.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 5):
How secretive you are. Miami I guess it will be then.

It's not a bad guess 
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 6):
The unions are furious due to the recent practice of using contractors instead. A strike was avoided recently and I suppose this announcement is just more fuel on the fire.

Yes, it was heartbreaking to se all the sympathy and engagement from especially their Scandinavian colleagues from competing airlines during the spring..... Fortunately, some airlines are able and willing to set their disputes inorder to secure the future of their airline 

I'm not particular in favour of contractors my self, but Norwegian managed to enter an agreement with their unions.
This have secured their Intercontinental operations. The fact that they will use contractors for their IC operations have been known for a very long time Im therefore a bitt uncertain of how this article would add more fuel on the fire?



[Edited 2012-07-29 15:13:24]
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:48 pm

Great!

I'm probably flying to NY next summer from CPH so I guess I could do CPH-OSL-JFK for cheap. 

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Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 1):
Should be interesting to hear Thai cockpit

Mind you, they have to hold a JAA license, so I'm sure there are people from here willing to be based in BKK in order to get the job.
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 1):
Should be interesting to hear Thai cockpit and cabincrews welcoming you onboard Norwegian (Nolwegian ) bound for NYC or BKK.

I am guessing that the pilots will not be Thai:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Since Norwegian Air Shuttle is Norwegian, we need pilots with European certificates, says CEO Bjørn Kjos.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:58 pm

So...with cabin crew being Thai...will they even speak Norwegian? (or at least another Scandinavian language)
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:54 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
So...with cabin crew being Thai...will they even speak Norwegian? (or at least another Scandinavian language)

No info on that yet.

I am not sure how important that is ?
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
I am not sure how important that is ?

I don't know. But, for instance, my grandmother likes to travel, however, she always travels with someone, as she doesn't speak English. But, with Norwegian, I wouldn't be surprised if she dared to travel alone, thinking they will speak Norwegian on the plane. This can cause problems, and I'm sure she isn't the only traveller from Norway that wonn't speak English.

Maybe, DY should have one Norwegian speaking purser at least on the flight. And keep things like menus in multiple languages.

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Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 9):
I am guessing that the pilots will not be Thai:

I guess basing the crew in Asia means lower income tax for the employee and therefore Norwegian can save money on wages even though the pilots are from Europe.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:22 am

Quite sad really. Norwegian might as well change its name.

They can get around the language requirement by just playing loads of pre-recorded messages in Norwegian. Hopefully there will be at least a few cabin crew that can speak it.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:29 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):
I guess basing the crew in Asia means lower income tax for the employee and therefore Norwegian can save money on wages even though the pilots are from Europe.

Probably pilot crew will have to accept lower salary as well compared to what they could get in Europe. Mind that they will be hired on a contract basis as well just like the cabin crew. But with the requirement of a JAA license pilots will probably get a nice package that will still be attractive considering the cost of living in Thailand.

Wonder what they will offer cabin crew. Probably in the range of THB 15K-20K/month. I assume that would also attract applicants from the SE-Asian region like the Philippines. Newcomers at Thai makes around 30K/month while Orient Thai pays around 15K+flight pay.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:53 am

I don't think it will be that difficult finding Norwegian/Swedish/Danish cabin crew that would like to live in Thailand. Flight Crew may be more difficult since they need a JAA/EASA license.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:32 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
I am not sure how important that is ?

I would bet a lot of elderly Scandinavians wouldn't really like flying to New York with Thai aircrew who can't speak a Scandinavian language. Contrary to what many think Scandinavians don't all speak and understand English, I'm sure Norwegian will have a couple of attendants on each flight who speak one of the Scandinavian languages, they'd be mad not to.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
I would bet a lot of elderly Scandinavians wouldn't really like flying to New York with Thai aircrew who can't speak a Scandinavian language.

Those (usually) won't go to New York anyway, neither BKK, but go to the Canary Island or somewhere else in the Mediterranean where they have spent their holiday the last 30 years
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:52 am

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 8):
Mind you, they have to hold a JAA license, so I'm sure there are people from here willing to be based in BKK in order to get the job.

Sure, but they will also get payed after Thai standards so I guess around 10000 NOK a month...

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 15):
Probably in the range of THB 15K-20K/month. I assume that would also attract applicants from the SE-Asian region like the Philippines. Newcomers at Thai makes around 30K/month while Orient Thai pays around 15K+flight pay.

I think you are quite correct. Cockpit crews will probably make from 45000 bath and upwards, but since these also will be contract hires I think there will big differences.

How hard would it be for a Thai pilot to get a JAA license?



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
I'm sure Norwegian will have a couple of attendants on each flight who speak one of the Scandinavian languages, they'd be mad not to

On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:02 am

A low salary in Scandinavia is a very high salary in Thailand for sure. You can add 4 times the value to the NOK if you live in Thailand. A captain that would make say 40 000NOK would equal 160 000 in purchase power in Thailand.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:41 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14):
Hopefully there will be at least a few cabin crew that can speak it.

the Norwegian base in HEL mainly have Estonian cabin crews, they have been criticized for their skills in Finnish, though its getting better I've heard. The Swedish speaking Finns hardly can expect to get service in Swedish.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:12 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 19):
On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...

Wonder if this puts off Norwegians and sends them over to SAS instead. Really crazy that crew can't speak Norwegian (or at least a Scandinavian language) on a domestic flight in Norway with a Norwegian Carrier.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:36 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 22):
Really crazy that crew can't speak Norwegian (or at least a Scandinavian language) on a domestic flight in Norway with a Norwegian Carrier

That's the joy (and result) of low-cost air travel. Ticket PRICE is king, nothing else matters.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 18):
Those (usually) won't go to New York anyway, neither BKK

They do go to BKK, loads of older Norwegians travel there for holidays.

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 19):
On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...

Sad isn't it.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 22):
Wonder if this puts off Norwegians and sends them over to SAS instead.

I'm sure it would.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 23):

That's the joy (and result) of low-cost air travel. Ticket PRICE is king, nothing else matters.

Not true, I'd rather pay a couple hundred NOK more and fly SAS. More often than not where I travel SAS is cheaper.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:02 pm

Funny, I have flown Norwegian alot lately, and I have never had any problem with the cabin crew language. On all my flights they have spoken Norwegian or another Scandinavian language. Never heard any eastern european english onboard, but alot of Swedish and Danish english ... I think certain people here blows the language thing out of proportians.

Besides, you will find foreigners in many types of jobbs in Norway, and it does'nt seem to be a problem to the general public.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 25):
Besides, you will find foreigners in many types of jobbs in Norway, and it does'nt seem to be a problem to the general public.

Well my Norsk is pretty bad, the times when I do have to resort to it are fairly frequent; it doesn't surprise me when a Norwegian (all age groups) can't understand English, IMO one in three aren't capable or comfortable in English.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:41 pm

A lot of Virgin Atlantic flights to Asia have Asian based crews (the flights are operated with a mix of UK and International based crew) they have local crew based in PVG, DEL, HKG.

They are also agency and are employed of different terms etc and have different pay scales, however benefits within the company remain the same and they are equally trained and qualified as the LHR based crews, they also must speak fluent English and the common language of the base that they are from.

It's not something that is new to the industry but I think Norwegian will be the first to do it to this extent. If the travelling public are willing to warm to foreign crews who's mother tongue is not the same as the carriers nation is another story. I know in the UK a lot of customers of banks and other firms etc get a bit irate when they call customer services to be put thru to a call centre in India. It's not that they hate Indians or anything, it's just sometimes explaining what Your trying to explain can be difficult for the staff member your trying to talk to to understand what it is that your harping on about. I mean they speak fluent English but there mother tongue is Indian, and here in England, we all speak our own dialects in each region.

At my previous airline when I was crew, some of the crew were from Lithuania, and spoke excellent English but they used to really struggle sometimes when conversing with passengers and it was common for breakdowns in communication with the passengers which often led for them to seek a English crew member for assistance.

The bottom line is cost, and for a LCC having the lowest price will always be the competitive edge over a full service carrier. If they can save some money on the crewing of the aircraft, then it means the tickets can be a little bit cheaper.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 27):
If the travelling public are willing to warm to foreign crews who's mother tongue is not the same as the carriers nation is another story.

I dont think the majority of the Norwegian traveling public will give a rats @ss where the cabin crew is from, as long at they can fly to Las Palmas or NYC for a cheaper fare than the Airport Express train, or Europark will charge them.

Its really sad actually. It SHOULDNT cost 1000NOK to travel to NYC or BKK from OSL. The result of this is basically social dumping and the out-flagging of Norwegian jobs, and a severe deteriation of the stable working conditions we are fortunate to have in Norway. Which in general does NOT include being hired for 2-3 years at a time, and having to pay your taxes, insurance and pension savings yourself. (To be responsible to paying for your own taxes is AFAIK borderline illegal when you are solely working on a contract for one employer only. Which is why the Norwegian tax authorities have started looking at the pilots in FR and DY and their contracts)

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 26):
Well my Norsk is pretty bad, the times when I do have to resort to it are fairly frequent; it doesn't surprise me when a Norwegian (all age groups) can't understand English, IMO one in three aren't capable or comfortable in English.

Really?
I dont know a single Norwegian person between early teenager and senior citizen that does not know how to speak English. Kids are starting their English learning in the 2nd or 3rd grade in Norway, and no English/American movies or TV shows are being dubbed AFAIK (Except cartoons)
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 26):
it doesn't surprise me when a Norwegian (all age groups) can't understand English, IMO one in three aren't capable or comfortable in English.



Must be the Kiwi dialect ...  

Seriously, it's the first time I have heard this ...

In general, Scandinavians are far better in English, than many of their European non English speaking counterparts. Norwegians are no exception.

Quoting CO38 (Reply 28):
The result of this is basically social dumping and the out-flagging of Norwegian jobs, and a severe deteriation of the stable working conditions we are fortunate to have in Norway. Which in general does NOT include being hired for 2-3 years at a time, and having to pay your taxes, insurance and pension savings yourself. (To be responsible to paying for your own taxes is AFAIK borderline illegal when you are solely working on a contract for one employer only. Which is why the Norwegian tax authorities have started looking at the pilots in FR and DY and their contracts)

Unfortuently, these stable working conditions are a thing of the past. I'm afraid that the airlines will have to become much more effecient, in order to survive in the airline industry today. The SAS option is not working well and even a top airline like Lufthansa is cutting these days. Norwegian have to do what they are doing in order to compete with the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet.

Now, most Norwegians don't seem to have a problem flying with Ryanair, even thoguh in all fairness they are far worse than Norwegian. No one seems to be complaining about their Eastern european crews, their salary and lack of service, as long as they can get to their destination almost for free. Atleast with Norwegian there is still some class left, both in cabin, service and generell public display.

As for the Thais ... It is ofcourse possible for them to learn Norwegian. Wether Norwegian Air Shuttle is prepared to invest in making their Norwegian language skills good and if they se it as such an important issue for their product remains to be seen.

[Edited 2012-07-30 12:42:08]
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:39 am

Quoting CO38 (Reply 28):
Really?
I dont know a single Norwegian person between early teenager and senior citizen that does not know how to speak English. Kids are starting their English learning in the 2nd or 3rd grade in Norway, and no English/American movies or TV shows are being dubbed AFAIK (Except cartoons)

I agree for most under 30. But, when you leave the cities towards more regional areas this gets larger. For instance, my parents (50 now), did not need to do English in school, my mother chose to, while my father did German. And for those that stayed in the regional areas, they haven't needed to learn English, and only experience it rarely. None of my grandparents could speak English, except one of my grandfathers who thought he spoke it much better than he actually did. A few of my uncles on my fathers side don't speak English (they know a couple of phrases, but are not comfortable with it).

However, I don't think it is 1 in 3 as KiwiRob said.

But, you have to consider, on DY, it will be Norwegians with English as a second language speaking to Thai Crew also with English as a second language. When neither speak their mother tongue, things can get difficult. DY should really have at least one fluent Scandinavian on each flight.

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Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:19 am

Quoting CO38 (Reply 28):
Really?
I dont know a single Norwegian person between early teenager and senior citizen that does not know how to speak English.

I'm a native English speaker, you're not, I think I notice this more than you do since I'm speaking English to Norwegians daily, do you?

Quoting CO38 (Reply 28):
Kids are starting their English learning in the 2nd or 3rd grade in Norway, and no English/American movies or TV shows are being dubbed AFAIK (Except cartoons)

Kids start learning English from 1st grade. What I think is odd is that Swedish kids programs like Pippy are being dubed from Swedish into Norwegian.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 30):
However, I don't think it is 1 in 3 as KiwiRob said.

In smaller cities like Molde, Kristiansund, Alesund, Lilliehammar it's easily 1 in 3, I also find in Olso the non Norwegians tend to speak Norwegian and their native tongue but not English.

Back on topic I think hiring all Thai crews will backfire on them, as a Norwegian passanger I would expect the crew on any flight I take with a Norwegian airline to be able to speak to me in Norwegian.
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:48 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 31):
it's easily 1 in 3, I also find in Olso the non Norwegians tend to speak Norwegian and their native tongue but not English.

As you stated earlier; the key word is comfertable. There are a lot (and I do mean A lot!) of Norwegians (and Swedes for that mater) that don't have the skills necesery/or feel comfertable with conversation in english.

Should DY as a "Norwegian" carrier cater for this? Hell yes! will they? Probably not...
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:52 am

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 32):
Should DY as a "Norwegian" carrier cater for this? Hell yes! will they? Probably not...

I'm fairly certain that they will alienate a large number of potential passangers because of this.
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:41 am

It is funny to see how the tables are turning. Asian crew members were introduced by European legacy airlines some 20-30 years ago, for service and security reasons it was said back then.

Now and in the future I guess European airlines need at least a few European crew members for communication. This is just too funny... Oh well, the world is changing!  

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Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 33):
I'm fairly certain that they will alienate a large number of potential passangers because of this.

Maybe a few but not a large number. On long-haul flights there would be a foreign crew anyway in most cases.
As a Finn residing in Oslo I find this interesting. Nonstop to MIA with DY would serve all Nordic countries I guess. An off-tppic question: Does AY fly to MIA nowadays during the winter season?
I usually compare DY prices with say LH. Very often I find Lufthansa less expensive on the days I want to travel. The typical difference to NCE during high season is up to 1500-2000NOK/person. And they market themselves as a LCC.
I think some Norwegians are not doing enough comparisons or maybe they have too much money, just don't care or want to fly nonstop to the destination.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting saleya22R (Reply 35):
Does AY fly to MIA nowadays during the winter season?

No they don't fly to MIA.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting saleya22R (Reply 35):
Maybe a few but not a large number. On long-haul flights there would be a foreign crew anyway in most cases.

Yeah but what's odd in this instance is that very few Thai's will be flying to Scandinavia, usually where there are foreign crew it's because they are needed for their language, in this instance they are using them because they are cheap.
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 29):
Now, most Norwegians don't seem to have a problem flying with Ryanair, even thoguh in all fairness they are far worse than Norwegian. No one seems to be complaining about their Eastern european crews, their salary and lack of service, as long as they can get to their destination almost for free. Atleast with Norwegian there is still some class left, both in cabin, service and generell public display.

The different in my opionion though is that Ryanair (or AF, KL, LH etc etc) is a foreign carrier. It is expected that they don't speak Norwegian. If I'm on an airline named "Norwegian" flying from OSL, it is expected they speak Norwegian, or at least Swedish or Danish since they're understood by all three.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 37):
Yeah but what's odd in this instance is that very few Thai's will be flying to Scandinavia, usually where there are foreign crew it's because they are needed for their language, in this instance they are using them because they are cheap.

Agreed. The article did not reveal anything more about routes from Bangkok. One gets the impression that the hub would primarly serve the traffic to and from Scandinavia, right? That means mainly holiday traffic, not px with connections elsewhere.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting saleya22R (Reply 39):

Kjos expects to have 10-15% Asian px initially, 50% in 5 years time. We'll see.

That's a laugh, Norway is far too expensive for the average Asian tourist to visit, it's a high cost destination.
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 40):
That's a laugh, Norway is far too expensive for the average Asian tourist to visit, it's a high cost destination.

Tourism from Asia is on the increase in Norway. Lately, especially from China. Tourists from China has increased by several 10 000's to Norway in the last few years, despite the cold front from the Chinese government regarding the Nobel Peace Price award.

Chinese guests that spent nights on hotels in Norway increased by 57 % in 2011 from the year before.

The South Korean tourists have also been on a dramatic increase to Norway with an increase of 19 % from 2010 to 2011

Japanese tourists has had a modest increase, but still an increase

The tourists from remaining Asian countries increased by 19 % back in 2011

I am sure the trend is ongoing..
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:18 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 41):

Mortyman, are you employed by DY? Your cheerleading of DY, their strategy and plans is thinly disguised in many a topic in this forum. Or are you merely a shareholder?
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting raggi (Reply 42):
Mortyman, are you employed by DY? Your cheerleading of DY, their strategy and plans is thinly disguised in many a topic in this forum. Or are you merely a shareholder?

 

I'm afraid I have to dissepoint you "raggi" .

I am not employed by DY or a shareholder of DY.


Can't say I'm cheerleading for Norwegian. I for one miss the days, when flying was something of a more exclusive thing and lowcost carriers was unheard of. However I'm afraid that airlines like SAS, air France, KLM and the likes gonna keep on having a difficult future with the type of concept they have.

When it comes to Norwegian, I think the CEO, Mr. Kjos is playing a high stakes game, when he is promissing more and more longhaul destinations, but have yet to receave his first 787 Dreamliner. However he has been good at his game so far and I chose to beleave that he knows what he is doing. Time will tell.

I do think that it will be interesting for most people here on the forum to follow Norwegian and see how far the airline can go with the concept they are going for. Especially if the longhaul plans will work out or wether the company will fail in their strategy.

[Edited 2012-07-31 19:04:16]
 
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Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:37 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 41):
Chinese guests that spent nights on hotels in Norway increased by 57 % in 2011 from the year before.

Ahnd now that the Chinese have banned Chinese tour groups to Norway that number is sure to decrease in 2012. The problem for DY is they aren't flying from China they are flying from Thailand, it might be great for all the Thai brides in Norway but I doubt the average Thai has any interest in visiting Norway nor could they afford it.
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:29 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
I would bet a lot of elderly Scandinavians wouldn't really like flying to New York with Thai aircrew who can't speak a Scandinavian language. Contrary to what many think Scandinavians don't all speak and understand English

Then what are they doing on a flight to NYC or BKK anyway? As if they can speak Norwegian there  
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:18 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 41):
The tourists from remaining Asian countries increased by 19 % back in 2011
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 44):
Ahnd now that the Chinese have banned Chinese tour groups to Norway that number is sure to decrease in 2012. The problem for DY is they aren't flying from China they are flying from Thailand, it might be great for all the Thai brides in Norway but I doubt the average Thai has any interest in visiting Norway nor could they afford it.

Even if there's a "dramatic" increase in Asian tourists as claimed, they would fly directly from their country of origin as KiwiRob points out. BKK is not an ideal connection for the Chinese and Japanese. Furthermore, for many Asian tourists HEL is just a stopover, a connection further to Europe. The same would apply to Oslo. It's London, Paris etc that counts. So how would DY feed the BKK route with local travellers to Europe as I asked in reply 39?
I believe the route will be mostly used by Norwegians, other Scandinavians but also by the Thai community here.
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Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:40 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 45):
Then what are they doing on a flight to NYC or BKK anyway? As if they can speak Norwegian there

The charter resorts in Thailand all have Scandinavian speaking staff, they eat Scanhinavian food and drink Scandinavian beer, it's Scandinavia with sun.
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 44):
Ahnd now that the Chinese have banned Chinese tour groups to Norway that number is sure to decrease in 2012. The problem for DY is they aren't flying from China they are flying from Thailand, it might be great for all the Thai brides in Norway but I doubt the average Thai has any interest in visiting Norway nor could they afford it.

The point of my post was to show that many Asian tourists in general are not as poor as you seem to think in your reply nr. 40.
 
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RE: Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:27 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 48):
The point of my post was to show that many Asian tourists in general are not as poor as you seem to think in your reply nr. 40.

They are significantly poorer on average than a European let alone a Norwegian.

Going back to Kjos expecting 10-15% of the passangers being Asian, where is he going to get the feed into Bangkok from to generate these pax? So back to my point this 10-15% will come from Thailand itself, and I just don't see the average Thai being able to afford to come to Norway.