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Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:10 am

Speculation can be put to bed -- it's true! Allegiant is buying Airbus A319s (used, of course). News was posted on the investor relations website:

http://ir.allegiantair.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=696301

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LAS VEGAS, July 30, 2012 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Allegiant Travel Company (Nasdaq:ALGT) today announced its intention to lease nine Airbus A319 aircraft from GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) and to lease and eventually purchase ten Airbus A319 aircraft from Cebu Pacific Air. The introduction of the A319 aircraft will support Allegiant's growth opportunities.

A photo accompanying this release is available at http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/prs/?pkgid=13833

"The A319 is a new aircraft type for Allegiant, but we otherwise see this as a continuation of our existing business model," said Andrew C. Levy, Allegiant President. "A319 asset values have significantly declined and now mirror the environment we saw when we first began buying MD-80s."

Allegiant plans to have the first two of these aircraft in operation in the second quarter of 2013.


EDIT: AAY has also posted a presentation here: http://ir.allegiantair.com/common/do...t%20Presentation%20-Jul%202012.pdf

[Edited 2012-07-29 22:07:09]
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting mrskyguy (Thread starter):
"A319 asset values have significantly declined and now mirror the environment we saw when we first began buying MD-80s."

Sounds like a dubious honor for the 319 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:12 am

I wonder where these aircraft will fly? Will we see them at MYR? They seem to make more sense than the MD-80s on routes such as MYR-HTS and MYR-FWA.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:24 am

Can't wait to see the final product.

IIRC these will be the first double over wing emergency exit in the USA too!  
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):

I wonder where these aircraft will fly? Will we see them at MYR? They seem to make more sense than the MD-80s on routes such as MYR-HTS and MYR-FWA.


The a319 will likely have lower capacity but Aldo the ability to open ip new longer transcontinental routes.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:30 am

Conference call at noon ET Monday. We should get some additional details then.

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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:40 am

Where will G4 be getting these frames from? What carriers were they coming from?

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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 6):



Where will G4 be getting these frames from? What carriers were they coming from

9 will be leased from GE Capital and 10 purchased from Cebu Pacific
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:43 am

This is from an e-mail that went out to G4 employees on Sunday night:




ALLEGIANT TO INTRODUCE AIRBUS A319 INTO FLEET

Las Vegas – 29 July 2012 – Allegiant Travel Company (NASDAQ: ALGT) today announced its intention to lease nine Airbus A319 aircraft from GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) and to lease and eventually purchase ten Airbus A319 aircraft from Cebu Pacific Air. The introduction of the A319 aircraft will support Allegiant’s growth opportunities.

“The A319 is a new aircraft type for Allegiant, but we otherwise see this as a continuation of our existing business model,” said Andrew C. Levy, Allegiant President. “A319 asset values have significantly declined and now mirror the environment we saw when we first began buying MD-80s.”

Allegiant plans to have the first two of these aircraft in operation in the second quarter of 2013.

Allegiant currently operates 58 MD-80 aircraft, four Boeing 757-200 aircraft and owns an additional two Boeing 757-200 aircraft.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:47 am

Sadly there have been 3 A-319's scrapped----with two of these bulit in 2002. GECAS is the culprit here scrapping these and other new a/c too soon rather than being patient and waiting for the buyers to come forth as Allegiant did----- The 319 is an excellent state-of-the-art aircraft and GECAS missed the boat (again) by thinking scrapping new a/c is the way to go.........trust me as low as Allegiant got these used a/c for, they paid a higher price than what their owners could have gotten for their parts.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:51 am

Allegiant's current business model has been based on low fleet utilization. The planes are cheap to own, but expensive to fly, so they own a lot of them and fly them relatively little (average fleet utilization of 6 hours I read somewhere on this forum, I think?).

I wonder if their model will change with the A319 aboard.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
Sadly there have been 3 A-319's scrapped----with two of these bulit in 2002.

Do you know which specific airframes these were and where they were scrapped?
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:56 am

Allegiant loaded the PPT presentation for the conference call already.

A few details in the presentation:
* The 9 from GE were previously with easyJet.
* The 19 aircraft will range in age from 7-10 years at delivery
* 156 seats (MDs are being refitted to 166 seats)
* Incremental estimated net income per aircraft per year is $1 million
* NO expectation of increasing aircraft utilization
* Estimate 25% lower fuel cost per block hour vs. MDs
* Estimate 40% lower maintenance cost per block hour vs. MDs
* Estimate 102% higher ownership cost per month vs. MDs
* Projected per passenger costs of $96 on A319s vs. $106 on MDs
* Range provides opportunity for longer routes
* Evaluating additional transactions beyond these 19 aircraft as an estimated 350+ aircraft will be on the market in the next 24 months
* Growth aircraft - no plans to retire any MDs except for the 2 MD87s
* 9 A319s in service by end of 2013; 14 by end of 2014; 19 by end of 2015
* Also indicate potential to add more 757s in 2013 to 2015 beyond the current 6 aircraft

More info at:
http://files.shareholder.com/downloa...t%20Presentation%20-Jul%202012.pdf

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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:09 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 11):
Do you know which specific airframes these were and where they were scrapped?

line #588 was scrapped at Kemble and lines #1729 and #1768 were scrapped at Greenwood,Mississippi
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:09 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
* NO expectation of increasing aircraft utilization

Interesting.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:13 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):* NO expectation of increasing aircraft utilization
Interesting.

They apparently anticipated that would be a big question by analysts. In the presentation it is top of page 4 in all capital letters and bolded to emphasize it.

The exact wording is "NO ASSUMPTION OF INCREASED FLEET UTILIZATION".
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:52 am

Well so those rumors were correct after all ha...  

A bit odd choice on the 319 however. Seems most of the worlds LCC are opting for the larger A320 to get benefit of the lower CASM. Was even mentioned on the Spirit conference call last week.

I guess the numbers penciled out better for the 319 for G4.


Here is press release photo:



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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:05 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):

Which means the 320 will have more demand from the airlines meaning higher acquisition costs.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:14 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
A bit odd choice on the 319 however. Seems most of the worlds LCC are opting for the larger A320 to get benefit of the lower CASM.

Not just the LCCs. DL's CEO has said, I believe, that it's hard to make the numbers work for their 319s.

However, that's the point: if GE was scrapping them because they're so hard-to-place, then that opens up the market for folks like Allegiant who can pay cash but are only interested if the price is great. Here, obviously not as great as the MD88, but they are calculating that it pencils out when you take into account the lower maintenance and fuel costs per hour.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 18):
like Allegiant who can pay cash

Interestingly, Allegiant says in the presentation they will lease instead of buying these aircraft outright for cash.

The 9 from GE will be on 96 month operating leases, the 10 from Cebu will be on 60 month capital leases.

EDIT - Allegiant says in the presentation that the falling aircraft price has created a reluctance by owners to sell since that means the owner may have a large book loss. So they say the current best move is to lease but expect in the future there will be buying opportunities.

[Edited 2012-07-29 23:37:32]
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:32 am

As of Satuarday, ln 588 (I-EEZQ) was in poor condition, (engines, tail etc gone) but not yet scrapped.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
Sadly there have been 3 A-319's scrapped

GECAS probably got more money for the individual parts than for the whole aircraft or in reaturn to leasing the frame...
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 13):
line #588 was scrapped at Kemble and lines #1729 and #1768 were scrapped at Greenwood,Mississippi

Interesting, thanks for sharing. By compariston, I believe only two Boeing 737-700s have been parted out (both ex easyjet).

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 20):
As of Satuarday, ln 588 (I-EEZQ) was in poor condition, (engines, tail etc gone) but not yet scrapped.

There are some photos of it on flickr.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:25 am

No, there are 3 U2 B737-73V scrapped already, (G-EZKC/D/G).
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:04 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
* The 9 from GE were previously with easyJet.

Any word on which easyJet aircraft are heading to Allegiant? I see 8 of their easyJet Switzerland aircraft are leased from CAT, which is a subsidiary of GECAS I believe?

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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:39 am

Spiritair97 said
"I wonder where these aircraft will fly? Will we see them at MYR? They seem to make more sense than the MD-80s on routes such as MYR-HTS and MYR-FWA."

I think SBN-LAS for sure as it is one of their longest routes and can benefit from the lower fuel costs. They almost lost this route when fuel costs were high even with 95% load factors. Passengers in SBN have also been asking for reasonably priced LAX service. That is a possibility.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:51 am

I knew they would like the easyJet option...

There aircraft have two over wing exits on each side and allow them to accommodate an extra row of seats, unlike most other airlines which operate the A319 and only have single over wing exit, limiting the capacity to less than 150. I think this is what clinched the deal for Airbus, when they offered them the extra capacity over the 737-700 they were also looking to buy at the time.

Is easyJet the only airline operating this type?
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 25):
I wonder where these aircraft will fly?

Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Allentown, Greensboro, Knoxville, Greenville, Plattsburgh, Niagara Falls to Las Vegas.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
I wonder where these aircraft will fly?

Someone refresh our memory on the range of the A319 then let the route speculation begin.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:29 pm

Did I read that right?? 156 seats on the A319.... that has to be a bit tight
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 26):
Is easyJet the only airline operating this type?

No, Germanwings, for example, has them as well. However, the additional 6 seats require an additional F/A, so not a smart move (IIRC, both easyjet and Germanwings do not operate the A319 with 156 pax capacity any longer).
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:32 pm

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 28):
Someone refresh our memory on the range of the A319 then let the route speculation begin.

3,600 n.m. per airbus vs 1,800 MD 80. Look for more long range flying, W.C. to SFB, E.C. TO LAS/LAX/AZA.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:44 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 15):
A bit odd choice on the 319 however. Seems most of the worlds LCC are opting for the larger A320 to get benefit of the lower CASM. Was even mentioned on the Spirit conference call last week.

I guess the numbers penciled out better for the 319 for G4.

If you cram 156 seats into an A319, you've basically got A320 capacity for A319 prices!!
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:44 pm

I think this will open up service out West to Las Vegas for many eastern cities, i.e. ABE and YNG to name a few. Two airports that have actively been seeking LAS service, but have been unable to get it due to the distance issues with the MD's. I think similarly we could see growth out to the East into Florida and MYR from some western cities. And oh yeah, watch for the Caribbean one of these days.

Exciting day for many airports in the Allegiant Air system as this means growth for them!
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:45 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 29):

Did I read that right?? 156 seats on the A319.... that has to be a bit tight

I've flown with U2 on their A319 a few times.. same seat count (156). Honestly, it's not that bad for short sectors 1-2hrs. I'm 5'10"..

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Here is press release photo:

Livery looks good on the A319.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
A bit odd choice on the 319 however. Seems most of the worlds LCC are opting for the larger A320 to get benefit of the lower CASM.

Because of that very reason A319s are probably more available.. a little similar to why Delta likes the MD-90/MD-95. They're not the best birds available, but they're a better business case.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 17):
Which means the 320 will have more demand from the airlines meaning higher acquisition costs.

  



[Edited 2012-07-30 05:46:57]
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 28):
Someone refresh our memory on the range of the A319 then let the route speculation begin.

I am sure someone will correct me, but I am sure I have read on here before that the early easyJet deliveries of the A319, have the centre fuel tank removed and this will obviously limit the range, compared to other A319's and limits the airline to operating routes up to about 3.5hrs.

The A319 has a better range than the A320, and should operate coast to coast flights without a problem and not face the issues the A320 and A321's experience with the likes of Jet Blue and US Airways at certain times of the year when there are strong head winds. However a high density A319 with 150 seats will be slightly reduced.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 26):
Is easyJet the only airline operating this type?

Air Berlin, Germania, Vueling and Hamburg Airways also operate Airbus A319s with double over-wing exits. Additionally Rusline and Brussels Airlines, but their aircraft are second hand: first owner was easyjet.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Sounds like a dubious honor for the 319

I wonder what has happened to A319 resale values. Anyone have a chart?

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
GECAS is the culprit here scrapping these and other new a/c too soon rather than being patient and waiting for the buyers to come forth as Allegiant did

GECAS is a business. If the plane is worth more as parts, it should become parts. It is a bit interesting how some A319s are not worth enough as parts and instead Allegiant is buying them. I would think the parts value would have remained high. Has there been any change in what Airbus charges for used parts?

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 21):
GECAS probably got more money for the individual parts than for the whole aircraft or in reaturn to leasing the frame...

For an unpopular model, such as the A318, that should be expected. Now what drove down A319 lease prices so much? Is Allegiant just benefiting from today's very low interest rates?

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 15):
The exact wording is "NO ASSUMPTION OF INCREASED FLEET UTILIZATION".

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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:24 pm

Ugh...let's see...they now charge for carry-ons...they fly to remote airports that aren't served by anyone else...and they're buying A319's.

Why don't they just merge with NK now and just get it over with?
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:35 pm

Can't wait to see these birds in Allegiant colours!

Quoting n797mx (Reply 3):
IIRC these will be the first double over wing emergency exit in the USA too!

Actually, a few of SkyBus' A319s were in the double over wing exit format.  
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Sounds like a dubious honor for the 319

Do you think/know the 737-700 is doing better ?

We saw with the A318 and 737-600 that both were the same failure for the same reason.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting LostSound (Reply 39):

So I guess he meant that it will be the first LASTING US Airline that operates the type.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:04 pm

Cebu Pacific has 156 seats in their A319s, according to their website. Do y'all think Allegiant will remove 6 seats so that they can fly these birds with only three FAs?
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 38):

Ugh...let's see...they now charge for carry-ons...they fly to remote airports that aren't served by anyone else...and they're buying A319's.

Why don't they just merge with NK now and just get it over with?

You left out, "and make money and don't have to declare bankruptcy to screw their employees out of their pensions".
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:14 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 42):
Cebu Pacific has 156 seats in their A319s, according to their website. Do y'all think Allegiant will remove 6 seats so that they can fly these birds with only three FAs?

The presentation indicated they would have 156 seats, so I wouldn't expect them to be removing any seats.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 30):
(IIRC, both easyjet and Germanwings do not operate the A319 with 156 pax capacity any longer).

Not sure where you got that from? easyJet is still flying as Y156
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 27):
Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Allentown, Greensboro, Knoxville, Greenville, Plattsburgh, Niagara Falls to Las Vegas.

Or the return of FWA-LAS or TOL-LAS, for that matter.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:19 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 29):
Did I read that right?? 156 seats on the A319.... that has to be a bit tight
Quoting timf (Reply 44):
The presentation indicated they would have 156 seats, so I wouldn't expect them to be removing any seats.
Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 45):
Not sure where you got that from? easyJet is still flying as Y156

I'm sure Allegiant will be using the newer, slightly thinner seats to help combat seat pitch issues, but none the less it will be tight. What I'm more curious of is if the extra six seats is worth the cost of a fourth flight attendant. When the plane is full it probably is, but even with Allegiant's great load-factors there's still some flights where that extra six seats isn't needed.
 
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 47):
When the plane is full it probably is, but even with Allegiant's great load-factors there's still some flights where that extra six seats isn't needed.

But when it's there, it's there.
6 seats + their average ancillary revenue ... that's $198 a flight.
If the plane does 2 flights a day that's $396.
For the sake of entertainment, let's say it flies 7 days a week - that's $2,772.
That's $144,144 a year.

Starting with that figure -

What's that against the cost of an additional flight attendant?

Plus if you have an extra set of hands, easier to shell out that liquor on those now longer flights and bring in even more income.
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RE: Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s

Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:34 pm

Isn't yield management a factor ? The last few seats on a LCC in Europe (or on a full service carrier) are hundreds of euros more than the cheapest seat.
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