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New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:05 pm

It appears that there's a new movie being released about a man who miraculously lands a plane after a mid-air-collision, however questions arise after the crash. Stars Denzel Washington and Don Cheadle.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount/flight/

Looks like they used a SK MD82 or 87 for the aircraft and retitled it and added winglets in the studio. Looks like a pretty good movie though.

Also, this opens up the door to all the innaccuracies to be pointed out and criticized by everyone!     
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:10 pm

I am really looking forward to this. Out Nov 2 in the USA. Not sure about Europe, hopefully around the same time. I like Denzel a lot, just rewatched The Book Of Eli the other day - what a great movie.

I wonder where they got the plane from. I don't mean it's a mystery, but what was it's history? It's true the fictitious airline's livery looks like SAS, a prolific DC-9 / Mad Dog operator.

Speaking of black pilots and scrapped planes being used in movies, Soul Plane is a bit of a shocker but the all-gold control wheels (from a Tristar) in that movie are for sale at a scrapyard I know. Wish the movie had been better, cos it would be awesome to own them!

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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:34 pm

Anyone know what actual aircraft was used?

It's clearly a mad-dog of some kind, but just because the fictitious airline livery "looks like" a particular real-world airline's livery, doesn't mean the plane itself is a retired example from that particular airline.

Movie budgets can easily cover painting an airplane.
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:47 pm

Looks like a good movie!!
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:35 pm

It isn't after a mid air collision but the incident is based on the Alaska flt which crashed into the pacific after the horizontal stab jackscrew problem.

i am looking forward to the movie's release though.

Regarding Denzel's solution to the incident in the movie. From capt vandeburgh (of AA fame), "Guys and gals, you don't have the pitch authority to fly inverted near or at pattern airspeeds period . . . Period." In addition transport category aircraft roll rates are abysmal compared with acrobatic aircraft.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting litz (Reply 2):

What I meantwas that it looked like they used a template of a SK MD82.

Quoting woodreau "It isn't after a mid air collision but the incident is based of the Alaska flt which crashed into the Pacific after the horizontal stab jackscrew problem"

I guess I misread incident as collision. My bad. Either way, I can't wait to see it!
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:26 pm

Looks like a good movie, cant wait for it to come out!
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:52 pm

The plot sounds like 'Airport '75', with Linda Blair and Charlton Heston.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting woodreau (Reply 4):
inverted near or at pattern airspeeds period . . . Period." In addition transport category aircraft roll rates are abysmal compared with acrobatic aircraft.

Watch out for absolutes! It is my understanding a certain (now retired) delta winged transport rolled just fine in real life and the sim.

Certain Canadian built transport aircraft from Montreal also have a roll rate that would amaze most folks. If you take weight off the wings (aka MD-80 series) the roll inertia is greatly reduced!

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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:05 am

I watched a fairly recent film last night called Airborne and is about a red-eye flight from the UK to JFK. Its the last flight to depart because of a storm approaching. What I found really odd was that there were only about 10 passengers and the aircraft they were using was a 747 (200/300 series). Although there are tonne of inaccuracies aviation wise, its quite a good horror flick.
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:25 am

If you ask me this is just another movie that gives all of us pilots a bad rep and give the public false stereotypes of how the aviation industry actually is. Not to mention I know people who won't eat meals on planes after they saw "Airplane!"  

Anyway I already have plans with a bunch of my flying buddies to go see it the day it comes out.   
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:53 am

Quoting woodreau (Reply 4):
In addition transport category aircraft roll rates are abysmal compared with acrobatic aircraft.

You'd be surprised. Nothing like a fighter but..
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting litz (Reply 2):
Anyone know what actual aircraft was used?

It's clearly a mad-dog of some kind, but just because the fictitious airline livery "looks like" a particular real-world airline's livery, doesn't mean the plane itself is a retired example from that particular airline.

Movie budgets can easily cover painting an airplane.

The interior is an AA S80 based on the seats and side panels.
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:12 am

Score another for the Georgia Film Commission
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 10):
If you ask me this is just another movie that gives all of us pilots a bad rep and give the public false stereotypes of how the aviation industry actually is. Not to mention I know people who won't eat meals on planes after they saw "Airplane!"

Really? From the previews this film seems to vilify the FAA/NTSB..

Quoting woodreau (Reply 4):

It isn't after a mid air collision but the incident is based on the Alaska flt which crashed into the pacific after the horizontal stab jackscrew problem.

Reminds me of AS 261 and the United/US Air 737 crash..

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
added winglets in the studio

Exterior model appears to be 100% CGI. Thankfully the cockpit and cabin seem to be true, or at least "more true than most films," to an MD-80.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:34 am

Looks like a good movie. I want to see it. Of course there will be inaccuracies in regards to aviation. What industry does Hollywood NOT exaggerate? Every cop movie ever made has things in it that police officers would just shake their heads and say "Yeah, that never happens in real life..."

I for one will go see it. As long as Snoop Dogg doesn't fly the 747.... I'm in  
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:45 am

Just realized the airport in the beginning is ATL. The red buildings is Delta North and you can make out the Southwest Hanger and a DL 330 resting to the side of it.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:47 am

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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:54 am

Denzel is one of my favorite actors. This movie will be good, as he has not let me down! It may not be perfect to us aviation nuts, but its going to have a good story line!
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:09 am

First he saves a train, now he's saved a plane.... Next will be a ship and a bus... Oh wait Sandra Bullock beat him to them.  

However, I will deffinately be there on opening night to see it.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:42 am

Interestingly enough; it should/could be stated that Bob Zemeckis is himself an IFR-rated pilot. So hopefully he will be able to bring plenty of accuracy to balance out the "Hollywood-ized" glamour, such as he did with "Forrest Gump".


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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:35 pm

I thought it was interesting to see winglets on a MD... Anyone else notice that?
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 21):
I thought it was interesting to see winglets on a MD... Anyone else notice that?

Yup

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
Looks like they used a SK MD82 or 87 for the aircraft and retitled it and added winglets in the studio. Looks like a pretty good movie though.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:52 pm

Gentalmen and ladies,

I happen to be a close friend to the one behind the Aviation Mockups used in the film “FLIGHT”. Doug Scroggins with Scroggins Aviation (www.scrogginsaviation.com ) supplies two MD80 series airplanes. In short what I can tell you is the crash plane is made up from two aircraft. The cockpit is an ex-Delta, MD88, N901DL and the rest is from an ex-American MD82, N442AA. The studio plane was an ex-Continental MD82, N16807, only the forward fuselage was used. Scroggins Aviaiton is the same company that did ABCs, Pan Am (2011) and NBCs, THE EVENT (2010). I hear thatAirlinerWorld magazine is running a story about the company in the next few months. Written by Nicholas A. Veronico.

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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 23):

So the winglets are real I see.

Off of what a/c are the wings then? Or did they really engineer winglets on an MD wing?
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:09 pm

That is the tail-cone of a DC-9 & not an MD-80
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 25):
That is the tail-cone of a DC-9 & not an MD-80

Actually, early build MD80's had the DC9 cone type tail. Not sure when along the productiuon line they were modified to the flat tail.

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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 23):

Is it me or does the left wing in the picture look fake? It just looks brighter and more hi-res than everything else in the picture.

Thanks for sharing this with us, though! Glad to know how they really did it.
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:46 pm

Quoting tribird1011 (Reply 26):

Thanks for correction on the early MD-80's
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:01 am

Quoting tribird1011 (Reply 26):

The MD-80 series saw the first "screwdriver" tail cone with the introduction of the MD-87 in 1987, seven years after the first deliveries. Approximately 400 MD80 series were delivered with the old DC-9 style tail cone prior to all aircraft being switched to having the screwdriver cone in mid 1987.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 27):
Is it me or does the left wing in the picture look fake? It just looks brighter and more hi-res than everything else in the picture.

That is from the angle of the camera and sun reflections. The crash footage is all actual aircraft parts.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 24):
So the winglets are real I see.

Off of what a/c are the wings then? Or did they really engineer winglets on an MD wing?

The winglets are made of wood.

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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 30):

Yes that is actual ac parts. i know because this was done right up the road from me in covington ga & amazing to see from the road. Due to my ignorance i was telling my friends that maybe an old DC-9 that DL was retiring and loaned temporarily to the shoot the movie scene was towed from the ATL airport that was only 50 miles away & trucked on I-20 to the open field.
 
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 31):
Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 31):
Yes that is actual ac parts. i know because this was done right up the road from me in covington ga & amazing to see from the road. Due to my ignorance i was telling my friends that maybe an old DC-9 that DL was retiring and loaned temporarily to the shoot the movie scene was towed from the ATL airport that was only 50 miles away & trucked on I-20 to the open field.

I just talked to Doug at Scroggins Aviation and he said N442AA came from Roswell, NM., and the other two are from Mojave, CA.

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Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 23):
I happen to be a close friend to the one behind the Aviation Mockups used in the film “FLIGHT”. Doug Scroggins with Scroggins Aviation (www.scrogginsaviation.com ) supplies two MD80 series airplanes. In short what I can tell you is the crash plane is made up from two aircraft. The cockpit is an ex-Delta, MD88, N901DL and the rest is from an ex-American MD82, N442AA. The studio plane was an ex-Continental MD82, N16807, only the forward fuselage was used. Scroggins Aviaiton is the same company that did ABCs, Pan Am (2011) and NBCs, THE EVENT (2010). I hear thatAirlinerWorld magazine is running a story about the company in the next few months. Written by Nicholas A. Veronico.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:31 am

Wow, "Gimme Shelter" in a movie trailer, that's original!

I dunno, I think it looks kinda dumb, but that's just me.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 23):

Excellent pictures, thank you for sharing.
Interesting to note that there is no disturbance behind the aircraft. One assumes the trail the aircraft would have left on the field behind it was digitally added to the film.
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RE: New Movie- "Flight"

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:00 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 19):
First he saves a train, now he's saved a plane.... Next will be a ship and a bus... Oh wait Sandra Bullock beat him to them.  

Actually, he saves a boat in the movie "Deja Vu".