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First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:53 am

According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday with service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!   

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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:04 am

N507LX has been repainted in the UAX colors. Saw it today at work, it looks great! It is/was sitting at gate A62 or A64 in DEN. I did not have time to go see it, but I hear the seats are in the blue leather and not in the green it used to have.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:48 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):

Awesome! I'm sure we'll see more and more of them popping up at the end of Concourse B in the next few weeks.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:31 am

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 2):

By the way, welcome to A.net!
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:02 am

Think those will do well at mile high Denver....more seats and almost as quick as the rj's they are replacing. Be interesting to see their performance in winter in ski country....could be good!
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:28 am

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday

Very exciting to see all of the [remaining] Colgan and Lynx Q400s finding a new role in this operation. Will all 32 of the Q400s be based at DEN, or will they be operated from other UA hubs as well? This seems to be the perfect aircraft for the higher density short hops out of any and all major hubs. Examples include:

All routes previously flown by the Q400 out of EWR, IAD, and IAH, and/or new Q400 routes out of ORD, LAX, or SFO like

ORD-CVG
ORD-DSM
ORD-DTW
ORD-GRR
ORD-IND
ORD-STL

LAX-SMF
LAX-PHX
LAX-SLC
LAX-TUS

SFO-BOI
SFO-BUR
SFO-PSP
SFO-RNO

On many such routes, the Q400 would be much more efficient than the RJs and in some cases mainline aircraft currently flying on them. I guess it all depends on where it may be feasible to establish cost effective, yet sustainable YX bases for the aircraft and its crews...

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!

LOL, these Q400 sound strangely familiar, don't they? In addition to DEN-DRO/MCI/RAP/MTJ/COS, I bet we may see these birds on DEN-ABQ/ASE/BIL/BOI/BZN/EGE/FSD/HDN/ICT/JAC/OKC/OMA/SLC/TUL as well. Perhaps we'll even see them on DEN-AMA/BIS/CID/DSM/ELP/FAR/GPI/GTF/GUC/HLN/LBB/LNK/MAF/MSO/RNO/TUS/XNA too, depending on how many of them end up being based in DEN.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:30 am

There are many sub 500 mile routes from DEN that make a lot of sense for the Q400, freeing up CR-7s and ERJ-170s for 1,000+ mile routes.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:59 pm

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 4):
Be interesting to see their performance in winter in ski country....could be good!

QX flies year-round to MMH (and seasonally to SUN). They seem to do pretty well with it.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday with service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!

I'm surprised RAP (Air Force) got Q service and not ELP (Army) considering we always end up boarding side-by-side.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):

I'm surprised RAP (Air Force) got Q service and not ELP (Army) considering we always end up boarding side-by-side.

They try to keep the Q400s on routes under 500 miles, that's the sweet spot for the Q400s where they are competitive with the RJs in time. DEN-ELP is 564 miles while DEN-RAP is 300 miles.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:14 pm

Question: Will any of the Q400s have the long-rumored F seats in the front of the cabin?
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
DEN-ELP is 564 miles while DEN-RAP is 300 miles.

Ah, I see.

Plus DEN-ELP-IAH-ELP-DEN and the vice-versa is probably better equipment utilization.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):

507LX doesn't have them.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):

Thanks!

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):

I've been wondering the same thing. I personally think on such short routes that the Q will be flying, FC isn't necessary. Economy and Economy Plus would work fine just on their own.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:57 pm

I truly hope the Q's are used successfully out of DEN if no other reason that I like seeing them. However, F9 also tried them here and they just didn't take in the marketplace. I suppose that UA's broader customer base will give them a substantial leg up.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:04 pm

I really hope they stay over here at EWR and IAD. I'm planning a trip to NY from MYR and am looking at UA just to fly the Q400. Hopefully I'll still get the chance to! Plus, I'll miss seing them coming in from IAD at PVD.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):

507LX doesn't have them.

Hey Airframe, do you know if that's just temporary or a change in strategy? I know when Bryan announced the flying, he mentioned that they would contain a premium cabin in addition to Y+/Y.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 16):

It may be Y+/Y in there, not sure. But I have only seen freshly taken pics, that's it. I did not get a chance to go over myself and look yesterday. I got stuck at B20 with two consecutive delayed flights which was exhausting!
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
There are many sub 500 mile routes from DEN that make a lot of sense for the Q400, freeing up CR-7s and ERJ-170s for 1,000+ mile routes.

70 seat RJs are extremely inefficient on 1000 mile plus routes. The CASM bottoms out around 750-900 miles, RASM continues to fall. Airlines should use DH4-800s to park 50 seat RJs.

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday with service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!

MCI surprises me.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:35 pm

These planes are perfect for DEN ops

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 15):

That's a long one. Over 1 hour and 40 minutes in duration. Wouldn't want to be stuck on a prop that long.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 19):
That's a long one. Over 1 hour and 40 minutes in duration. Wouldn't want to be stuck on a prop that long.

FAT-SEA is close to that..maybe closer to 2 hrs..and it is a very comfortable ride..you do not really notice the few extra moments as compared to the CR7.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:13 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
LOL, these Q400 sound strangely familiar, don't they? In addition to DEN-DRO/MCI/RAP/MTJ/COS, I bet we may see these birds on DEN-ABQ/ASE/BIL/BOI/BZN/EGE/FSD/HDN/ICT/JAC/OKC/OMA/SLC/TUL as well.

Also reminds me of Rocky Mountain Airways. Or is that what you meant?   Too bad the Avon Stolport is now a Walmart.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):
Question: Will any of the Q400s have the long-rumored F seats in the front of the cabin?

Several already do have the F cabin.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Airlines should use DH4-800s to park 50 seat RJs.

That I agree with, but also the 70 seater RJs on sub 500 mile routes.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
MCI surprises me.

MCI is an RJET Q400 MX base.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 23):

It's also a crew base for Republic. They don't have many other options for domiciles considering (besides DEN) there are no other bases nearby.

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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 24):
It's also a crew base for Republic.

It is, however, it is an Ejet only crew base at the moment. Although MCI FA's are being Q400 trained in batches.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:48 pm

What would the flight time be DEN-MCI on a q400 compared to a 737?
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting quickmover (Reply 26):

The estimated flight time for the UA Q400 flight is 2:10, compared to a Southwest 737 at 1:50. So really, not much of a difference at all.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 27):
The estimated flight time for the UA Q400 flight is 2:10, compared to a Southwest 737 at 1:50. So really, not much of a difference at all.

Well...not enough of a difference when comparing it to economics vs. the alternative aircraft...but 20 minutes is enough time to be noticeable. When I use to fly between Nashville and Houston frequently I preferred the WN flights because the ERJs on CO would seem to dredge on and on.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 27):
The estimated flight time for the UA Q400 flight is 2:10, compared to a Southwest 737 at 1:50. So really, not much of a difference at all.

That's actually rather significant. If it was 5-10 it would be one thing but 20 extra minutes is not worth it -- espeically with 2 32S on the route.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 27):
The estimated flight time for the UA Q400 flight is 2:10, compared to a Southwest 737 at 1:50. So really, not much of a difference at all.

Actual flight time is remarkably shorter though.

Today there have been 3 DEN-MCI flights, all on jets so can't really guess the Q's flight time. Is the Q really that much slower that it would add 20 minutes?

Republic 190 - 1 hr 10 min
United A320 - 59 minutes
Southwest 733 - 1 hr 10 min
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 30):

I don't know the exact flight times, I was just basing it off of the estimated times on the United and Southwest websites. Of course, those aren't exactly always right on target, so it could defiently vary.

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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 31):
I don't know the exact flight times, I was just basing it off of the estimated flying times on the United and Southwest websites. Of course, those aren't exactly always right on target, so it could defiently vary.


True.
I know they say the Eastbound flight is blocked for something like 1:20 or 1:30. Both 737s and 319s usually make it in close to 1 hour. I'm betting the Q could make the trip more quickly as well.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 28):
Well...not enough of a difference when comparing it to economics vs. the alternative aircraft...but 20 minutes is enough time to be noticeable. When I use to fly between Nashville and Houston frequently I preferred the WN flights because the ERJs on CO would seem to dredge on and on

Well that doesn't make sense. ERJ and 737 cruise speed is identical - Mach .78

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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 33):
Well that doesn't make sense. ERJ and 737 cruise speed is identical - Mach .78

Cruise speed is .78 IF the pilots decide to fly that speed...
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:41 pm

According the United.com, the service for 8/1 and 8/2 are with aircraft #507 and #510 and are to DRO and MCI only. Planespotter.net shows N508LX as the only Republic Q400. Are they getting the Colgan units? If so, does someone have N numbers?
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
these birds on DEN-ABQ/ASE/BIL/BOI/BZN/EGE/FSD/HDN/ICT/JAC/OKC/OMA/SLC/TUL as well.

DEN-OKC has been in the schedule for about a month now with the Q400. Start early Sept. at 3x a day. Mainline remains.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
There are many sub 500 mile routes from DEN that make a lot of sense for the Q400, freeing up CR-7s and ERJ-170s for 1,000+ mile routes.

So uhhhh....what would theoretically fly the 500-1000 mile routes?
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:23 pm

It sure would be nice if the Q400s would replace the E120s out here, on the west coast. Any chance of that, or will Skywest hang on to the E120s until they rattle apart?
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 33):
Well that doesn't make sense. ERJ and 737 cruise speed is identical - Mach .78

'902

You're right about the cruise speeds, but in my experience, there was a real difference in climb. That is, leaving a hub behind a EMB-145*, their slow climb caused ATC to slow down the climb speed or delayed higher altitude clearances (along the same route). Either way, the net effect is to slow down the Boeings and Airbus'.

An airplane that climbs quickly gets to the cruise portion of the flight sooner.

*The EMB-145XRs seemed to be much better climbers that the other (earlier) EMB RJs.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:37 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 31):
I don't know the exact flight times, I was just basing it off of the estimated times on the United and Southwest websites. Of course, those aren't exactly always right on target, so it could defiently vary.
Quoting quickmover (Reply 32):
rue.
I know they say the Eastbound flight is blocked for something like 1:20 or 1:30. Both 737s and 319s usually make it in close to 1 hour. I'm betting the Q could make the trip more quickly as well.

Keep in mind that airlines ALWAYS pad the flight time in case of delays and route deviations. For instance, I fliew WN recently from ISP to BWI to CHS, and ISP=BWI got in 20 minutes early,according to the F/A, hence we had to wait ten minutes for somebody to hook up the jetway, but then we left 15minutes late (due to overbooking) and still arrived 15 minutes early. Another good example is UA's EWR-MYR on the Q400. According to United, it is scheduled to be 2 hours and 20 minutes, yet it always makes it in under 2 hours.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 35):

I'm not sure on the tail numbers, but I know they'll be getting the units from Colgan. 32 aircraft in total: four from the Lynx operation, and the remaining 28 from Colgan.

Quoting turk0167 (Reply 38):

I sure hope so! Being right around 6 feet myself, those 6'7 Q400 ceilings are MUCH more comfortable than EMB.  
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
It may be Y+/Y in there, not sure.

These are in an all Y 74 seat configuration. Only the 4 lynx aircraft will be starting services immediately in DEN.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 22):
Several already do have the F cabin.

Those are/were the Colgan aircraft operating on the east coast. Those won't be in UA service for a while, there is some lead time with the 9L/YX transition that will delay their re-entry to the fleet when they leave 9L.

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 41):
I'm not sure on the tail numbers, but I know they'll be getting the units from Colgan. 32 aircraft in total: four from the Lynx operation, and the remaining 28 from Colgan.

Correct.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 41):
I'm not sure on the tail numbers, but I know they'll be getting the units from Colgan. 32 aircraft in total: four from the Lynx operation, and the remaining 28 from Colgan.

Colgan had 31 Q400, but Republic is only taking 28 Q400. What is happening to the other 3?
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:18 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
There are many sub 500 mile routes from DEN that make a lot of sense for the Q400, freeing up CR-7s and ERJ-170s for 1,000+ mile routes.

QX does that.

I've done SEA-BIL-SEA more than once on QX Q400s at 662 sm each way.
 
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday with service from DEN
Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 13):
F9 also tried them here and they just didn't take in the marketplace.

What an irony here.

Wasn't it Sean Menke, who was in charge of F9, wanting to start Lynx so the F9 could have provide nearby low-cost feeder routes into DEN? I believe SM barely had Lynx in its infancy, and then the F9 BK happened. So whether or not Lynx was successful at the time..... I think that it was just to early to tell here.

Then with the BK, of course, RAH came in, SM was gone, and then one of the first things that RAH did (or wanted to and tried to do) was get rid of Lynx and the Qs - citing everything from pax avoidance to high maintenance.......

Now????? They're back flying the very same planes for UA, a big F9 competitor, that they got rid of for Lynx.

And what is really bad about this, IMHO, is that RAH again finds itself in conflict over its resources that it gives F9, and then with its contract flying for others. And yes, even though the contract for UA here helps RAH, it can not really do anything to help F9.......

Hopefully, whatever separation RAH plans for F9, ideally, it will be a complete one, because as exampled here, there are too many conflicts for a regional to be operating a brand.


  

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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:52 pm

Two questions here: Republic doesn't have their own rampers for the Q400's (they were ground handled by mainline F9 in the past). Who is going to ground handle the 4 Lynx planes in DEN?

What gates will these 4 planes depart out of in DEN?
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:05 pm

F9 did it wrong, imho. Lynx was a great idea that they failed to develop, and really it was Republic's fault it didn't go.

The Q400 is the perfect plane for the Denver hub - they can fly that GD thing 10 times a day DEN-COS, with superior comfort to the CRJ, and fill it for a fraction of the cost.

Since they have no meaningful competition there - in COS in general either, they will do well.

The reality is that people need to be exposed to the finer turboprops more, and they will become more accepting of them.

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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 47):

I agree. QX doesn't have this problem and their Q400's are serving them quite well! I like the Q400.
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RE: First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:21 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 47):
F9 did it wrong, imho. Lynx was a great idea that they failed to develop, and really it was Republic's fault it didn't go.

Whoa - the Q400's in the Lynx (Frontier) fleet never did well for Frontier, well before Republic. They are comparatively expensive to operate for LCC and were beset by mx issues, causing considerable unreliability.

All 10 had to be rotated back to Montreal to try and fix those mechanical issues.

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