airmale
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Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 7:58 pm

there were a total of 80 passengers minus the crew on the hijacked Saudi Arabian 777, isnt that a 300 plus capacity a/c? on the PIA 747-300 that was carrying the CE of Pakistan from NewYork to Islamabad(the flight that got the bomb threat and had to return to JFK) there were also just 80 passengers on board, why are these large capacity a/c made to fly more then half empty services, dosent the airline go at a loss this way 
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lxlgu
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:51 pm

I once flew SAA from Johannesburg to Frankfurt
with 747 200-only 15 pax on board.We were delayed
on departure because of loading extra freight.
Freight can make up for low pax loads.
 
LJ
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 11:15 pm

I've flown ATL-AMS on a KLM B767-300. Only 30 pax in ecomomy and a few Business class (I guess 15). I've been told that the number of passengers on a off season Monday can be very low as it is not a very popular time to travel.

Another reason why these scheduled flights leave is that maybe only the inbound or the outbound flight is profitable. Furthermore, scheduled service means that the service has to go ahead regardless of the number of passengers. Finnaly, don't forget that a flight can be very probitable if the majority onboard are high yield passengers.

Regards
Laurens Janssen
 
dutchjet
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 11:26 pm

While it is low season, I agree that the 2 subject flights were very "light". Do not forget that many airlines (mainly those that are gov't owned) keep certain routes on their timetables for international prestige and not pure economics. After recent problems with India and Pakistan, I do not think PIA is the most popular airline with US or European pax, and Saudi Arabian flies many of its flights with light-loads, but with well-paying premium class pax, as mentioned above - at least Saudi Arabian does not have to worry about fuel prices!
 
Airbus A3XX
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 12:15 am

I remember seeing a report on 1-1-2000 saying that people were afraid of flying and the flight to JNB form HKG on 31-12-1999, there were only 20+ passengers on board and all Y class passengers were upgraded to C class! What a good luck on CX's flight........
 
airsicknessbag
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:44 pm

I was on a Condor DC10 FRA-MUC with about 20 pax - the plane had about 370 seats.
Daniel 
 
Adam84
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 6:34 pm

I was once on a CO 733 from MSP-IAH, it was a very early departure and there was only about 10 people on the plane.
 
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 7:24 pm

Many Many moons ago I left LAX on a Qantas 747-200 to Hawaii and on to Sydney. This aircraft had about 30 pax in economy. In Hawaii we hubbed with the QF flight from SFO, which then flew to Fiji and Melbourne.
After Hawaii the Sydney flight was about half full and I guess the other one was too.
 
NJTurnpike
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 9:31 pm

On a redeye LHR-bound Virgin 744 about 2 years ago, there were only about 50 of us in Economy. I could just strrrrrretch out along my row and go to sleep.

~NJTurnpike

 
AAR90
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RE: Less Than Half Capacity Being Flown?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:34 pm

AA used to fly B767-200 SAN-ORD redeye flight with an average 30-50 passenger load for years. Needed to be 767 due to large volumn of fresh cut flowers being flown in the cargo holds every night.
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