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Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:08 am

Hello everyone,
Welcome to another Turkish Aviation thread.
I have been very busy and slacking recently, I apologize. I will try to catch up as soon as things slow down for me.

Recent news;
-TK starting Maldives with 332. Wow! I have never ever in my wildest dreams seen this.
-How is Atlasjet doing with their London flights?
-Is there a timeline when all TK 77W/333 to get wi-fi on board? Any idea it this will stay a free service.
-What is up with the Turkish Government 332, it has been in retrofits for soooo loooong!
-How is everyone coping with the heat and humidity and the crazy traffic in Istanbul?

Best Regards,
Please continue will all the news, pictures, rumors, ideas, rants and sense of humor.

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:08 am

Hello everyone,

I could not understand what "wingo" was so I decided to visit the web page shown on the ad (www.turkishairlines.com/wingo). It redirects to an error page and gives "404 - the requested page was not found" error. Some things never change.

Any more info on "wingo"?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:20 am

Thanks for the new thread! And here's a new route announcement from TK:

TK641 IST0945 – 1215SEB 320 247
TK642 SEB1310 – 1730IST 320 247

Starts Sep 2, 2012.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:44 am

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 1):
Any more info on "wingo"?

It appears to be TK's new mascot. They use this 'Goose' to announce their promotional fares. IMHO, a very poor and childish attempt to build up your brand image.

Advert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qByn3w2Q9nE&feature=plcp

Link to Wingo: http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-int/join-wingo

I hope they realize what being a Goose means in Turkish....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:51 am

Hey thanks for starting the thread as always.
Forgot to add my crushing news on recent news  DL suspending IST for winter.

Was in Istanbul from July 6th to 30 th, of course flew DL both ways. As much as I am pissed that DL is axing IST for winter, they had it coming. In my last 10 flights after the 332 service, I flew with the upgraded 767 2 times only. They kept sending non- mod 767 with the non-flat J seat, 10 year old menu, Y forget about it. At least they should have put the upgraded 767 with flat bec avod etc. it makes a difference.
Having said that I still am not convinced of switching to TK with their status match. I did a intra europe with TK and everything you guys complain about is 100 percent correct, like rest of Turkey ac is set to super high, everyone is sweating balls, there is zero consistency in service. I am sure long haul hard product is light years ahead of DL, but did DL always take care of me and my loyalty. Countless upgrades when Y is overbooked IROPS handled perfect super communication. Especially in IST they take care of their plats and DM's I guess because we areva dying breed flying IST.

As I am planning to move back to Istanbul, I will say the status match is great for me, was wondering if you lose your DL status once you do that, because I have a few more flights booked and couple IST trips before I Become a 1MM. Call me what you want, but after all this time it matters to me 

I am amazed at maldives but I love it. If it lasts would love to go there with TK. So many go on their honeymoons there from Turkey. I guess this flight will be timed to connect with russian arrivals to IST for connections. Good luck to them. They will need it.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:06 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-TK starting Maldives with 332. Wow! I have never ever in my wildest dreams seen this.

Certainly an interesting route and should attract some European transit traffic as its a popular destination. Hope it works well for TK.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:18 am

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 4):
As I am planning to move back to Istanbul, I will say the status match is great for me, was wondering if you lose your DL status once you do that, because I have a few more flights booked and couple IST trips before I Become a 1MM.

You will still be able to keep your DL status and become a 1MMer after the status match. Also the Miles and Smiles Credit Card by Garanti is a great way to earn miles together with TK/Star Alliance flights. Good luck with your relocation to Istanbul.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:46 am

Here is a short trip report on my recent IST-JFK and LAX-IST flights both in Comfort Class;

- in both flights Comfort Class was full 100%
- LAX-IST flight was actually 100% in all classes
- I really liked CC, awesome legroom, wide seats
- CC food portions are I think a little more than economy
- in both flights, "kofte" was served as usual! The flight leaving IST had good quality food, however the flight leaving LAX had poor food
- both flights did not have inflight WiFi and live TV. I think it is a bit misleading that TK advertises this all around but the airplanes are not ready yet.
- IST-JFK flight the FA was the best FA I came across in my entire aviation life, she was simply great in service and kept her smile all 10 hours
- In LAX when I boarded the plane, the plane was filthy!! Never seen something like this before. The seats were not clean: they had crumbs of bread on the seats, the floor wasnt clean, there was empty water bottles around and some seats did not have pillow some did not have amenity kits, some did not have blankets.
- LAX check-in was horribly slow, they need to do something about it

Overall I was very impressed with Comfort Class. It is at the quality of Business Class in most airlines. The only problem I had was that the seat does not recline enough. But then I thought, if it did, then no one would buy business class anymore. Way to go CC!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:03 pm

Rumor is a Chinese group is interested in purchasing part of ESAS Holdings share of Pegasus Airlines.

Also the private owner of Onur Air is in final talks to sell majority share to Lebanese and Qatar parties. Reportedly for about €250mil.

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 7):
Way to go CC!

Yeah its a pretty awesome product compared to other airlines and for its price which is often only about $500 more roundtrip compared to regular economy.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:48 pm

For all those fans of TGS - Turkish Ground Handling which is a 50/50 JV between THY and TAV Airport Holdings, they will be expanding.

Besides adding additional domestic service points of Bodrum, Dalaman, Trabzon and Samsun, TGS will also go abroad.

Plans are for TGS in 2013 to expand abroad and initially offer above wing services at larger Turkish Airlines stations most likely in Europe first. TGS will also eventually start taking over cargo handling services for THY as well.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Plans are for TGS in 2013 to expand abroad and initially offer above wing services at larger Turkish Airlines stations most likely in Europe first. TGS will also eventually start taking over cargo handling services for THY as well.

...and also domestic ticketing services until the end of this year. So far, this was solely old THY personnel.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):

I am a bit confused, so what will happen with TAV in let's say SKP? Will they be rebranded as TGS?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:45 pm

TAV is an airport group. That is not changing.

TAV simply has a partnership for a ground handling venture with Turkish Airlines called TGS.

What will happen is TGS now will expand beyond Turkey, and look to secure ground handling contracts at foreign airports a bit like Menzies, Swissport, etc… Initially starting in 2013, Turkish Airlines will turn over handling at some foreign stations to TGS.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
For all those fans of TGS

I'm sure there are not many. BTW, TAV subsidiary Havas is TK's partner in TGS. Looks like Havas becomes increasingly marginalized.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):

Cool, thanks for that. I guess that their first international destination might be SKP since they do operate the airport there. I remember reading somewhere that they were interested in Podgorica...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:19 pm

What is the status of My Cargo 747s are flying ACMI for other operators now?

According to TK cargo schedule they have launched Kiev, Karachi and Seoul dropped New York, Cologne and Shanghai.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:40 pm

Well, another Libyan destination (4th) to be served by TK. Istanbul-Sebha thrice weekly starting September 2nd. Have been told that business is booming in Libya again...

Schedule:

TK641 IST0945 – 1215SEB 320 247
TK642 SEB1310 – 1730IST 320 247

Link: http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/01/tk-seb-sep12/

[Edited 2012-08-01 14:41:32]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:57 am

Still waiting order from THY during August. Next board meeting is on 3th of August...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:27 am

Nice to see the first A330F for MNG airlines http://www.airliners.net/photo/MNG-A...d=8fe7163c435b3d6639d73a52b1ec95d4 Do we know how many they have ordered and what routes will they be flying with the A330F ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:37 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 18):
Nice to see the first A330F for MNG airlines http://www.airliners.net/photo/MNG-A...d=8fe7163c435b3d6639d73a52b1ec95d4 Do we know how many they have ordered and what routes will they be flying with the A330F ?

indeed a very nice livery on this bird; however, we heard that MNG offered those planes to TK Cargo. If I'm not mistaken they have four on order.

on a side note, TK Cargo will receive another three frames

[Edited 2012-08-02 02:39:34]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 19):



Interesting thanks for that speaking of cargo when will TK retire the 3 A310F ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:09 am

Quoting tozbek (Reply 17):

Fingers crossed hopefully they order something soon otherwise Boeing might have 797 and Airbus might have A370 by the time TK decided ! What are they waiting for ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:09 pm

THY Cargo did not want MNG's A330F's  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:56 pm

Don't ask me who, but someone told me they picked the 748 over A380. I am sure there will be A350's to balance out the order.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:35 pm

Whatever the choice, if it ever happens; will be huge news for TK and Boeing/Airbus. Both programs need a fresh order.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:34 pm

Its going to be interesting what MNG does with its A330F.

Having new aircraft with an expensive monthly bill unlike its older A300 fleet will require it to keep the aircraft busy.

Either it will need to go out and secure long term ACMI contract where it operates the aircraft on behalf of someone, or it needs to keep them busy flying its own scheduled service routes.
MNG has authority to China, the US and all over Europe and Middle East, however it has been reluctant to do much with scheduled flying as the commercial risk is fully on MNG.

Either way, the expensive new assets need to be kept busy...
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 23):
Don't ask me who, but someone told me they picked the 748 over A380. I am sure there will be A350's to balance out the order.

Hahaha ... I think at this point we'd be happy if they even ordered some Canadian Geese!  

748/388/350/788/333/332/77W ... we got plenty rumors for each already!   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 am

And now Djibouti (JIB) from TK, starting Sep 4. The routing IST-KRT-MGQ becomes IST-JIB-MGQ, while Khartoum starts receiving terminator flights.

TK686 IST2325 – 0440+1JIB0530+1 – 0705+1MGQ 320 24
TK687 MGQ0830 – 1005JIB1055 – 1600IST 320 35

I should've known this was coming very soon when I saw JIB on TK route map in the August issue of their magazine, unlike other destinations previously announced.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:11 am

Maybe they are waiting for the airport approval and guarantees. If they know for sure "in 5 years we will have huge airport capacitites" they could also add some narrowbodies to the order. For middle and long term planning this airport issue is essential.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:45 pm

I have been reading a lot about TK ex LAX. Some clients of mine flew on that route. They too said check in was a nightmare- and boarding even worse. They said the plane was mostly full of Iranian Americans- who ignored boarding by row , saying " no English" but became educated urbane people as soon as they were on board. Only a story mind... So don't hold me to it..

I have also spoken to a few pilots ( Dutch amongst others) who told me That Turkey was the best country for aircraft turn arounds. He said that he got the cleanest plane the fastest of all his European destinations. If a TK aircraft is departing LAX dirty, then TK needs to have a word with their contracted company in LAX.

So in essence if TK wants a smooth boarding procedure they have to employ the same discipline that they do in London, where they do 5 flights a day inc 2 wide body in summer. And the boarding announcements are made by the station manager himself, who does it bi-lingually and his ex -sas ground crew brook no trouble from the multi ethnic passengers.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:42 pm

I saw Turkish Transport minister provided some more details about the new Istanbul airport this week.

o They intend to offer a BOT (Build, Operate, Transfer) model for the tender
o Portions of tender could be ready as early as end of August - already 9 companies including 8 foreign ones have expressed interest in participating.
o Airport will be build in stages - first stage 90mil capacity, opening 2015, with growth up to 150mil in future stages
o 80% of the land ne for the airport is already government property. Remaining 20% would be subject to expropriation
o Name of airport might be Ataturk Airport also.
o Current TAV operating lease at IST runs till 2021. Once the new airport opens, questions about need for IST. Might be converted to a small urban "boutique" airport (whatever that means)
o They dont want to discriminate against airlines that have invested in IST, nor want to hurt TAV. So some might stay.
o Construction of the 3rd Bosphorus bridge will go hand in hand with airport. Might do a national poll to name the bridge.


I also see Boeing prepared a Turkish version of its 747-8 website
newairplane.com/style/#/turkish
(add www. to the front. For some reason the link does not work here on A.net)

=

[Edited 2012-08-03 15:44:34]
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
o They intend to offer a BOT (Build, Operate, Transfer) model for the tender
o Portions of tender could be ready as early as end of August - already 9 companies including 8 foreign ones have expressed interest in participating.

Raising the financing will be the real challenge in this global economic environment for who ever wins the tender.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
o 80% of the land ne for the airport is already government property. Remaining 20% would be subject to expropriation

Apperantly they already started some of the expropriation.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
o Current TAV operating lease at IST runs till 2021. Once the new airport opens, questions about need for IST. Might be converted to a small urban "boutique" airport (whatever that means)
o They dont want to discriminate against airlines that have invested in IST, nor want to hurt TAV. So some might stay.

Well, I think that TAV will be the biggest contender for the new airport project. IST might become another Gimpo (S.Korea).

Finally, a good rail/metro connection will be crucial.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:17 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):
Raising the financing will be the real challenge in this global economic environment for who ever wins the tender.

Can TK be part of both the financing and the operation part? They are going to be the biggest tenant there, so maybe they may get their own terminal and in return dish out some money? That could help solve the problem of finding loans. They already operate (through their subsidiaries) a lounge, ramp operations, ticket sales, etc. so they can easily - in conjunction with TAV for example - operate their own terminal.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:21 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):
Can TK be part of both the financing and the operation part? They are going to be the biggest tenant there, so maybe they may get their own terminal and in return dish out some money?

It would certainly make sense for TK to have their own terminal at the new mega hub. They might contribute financially to that aim as well. However in terms of the larger project, I believe that the Treasuery should step in with loan guarantees if needed. The strategic importance of this investment warrants such action.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):
Raising the financing will be the real challenge in this global economic environment for who ever wins the tender.

I doubt getting international syndicates to provide loans for a new Istanbul airport would be a problem. BOT models are quite common and rather low risk as the project provides a steady revenue stream during the operate phase.

Anyhow as mentioned above, yes I think the Turkish treasury would provide loan gurantees as well as they are the sponsor of the project.
Banks are sitting on huge piles of money, and would love to see a high quality low risk project to invest in.

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):
IST might become another Gimpo (S.Korea).

Yeah will be interesting how they define the future of current IST.

Somehow they would need to limit slots, or type of operations to encourage carriers to utilize the new airport.

Also the land where IST sits today is quite valuable so can certainly envisage portions being sold over time and redeveloped.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):
Can TK be part of both the financing and the operation part?

I seriously doubt TK wants to be in the airport or terminal operation business. Its much cleaner to be a tenant and have someone else worry about the big and small details.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:03 pm

I was going through some statistics and noted that Turkey again in 2011 blew away air traffic volume to the US.
Give it probably another 2-years and Turkey will be on of the Top-25 foreign markets to the US.

Its fascinating to watch how traffic has grown between the US and Turkey.

Below are enplanements numbers by year for direct/nonstop services (does not include counts of travelers connecting via 3rd countries). I also included commentary about significant route events.

2011 - 764,296 --- TK opens LAX. JFK 2nd daily goes year-round
2010 - 595,902 --- TK opens IAD
2009 - 492,747
2008 - 444,439 --- TK adds 2nd daily JFK flight during summers.
2007 - 333,205
2006 - 326,477
2005 - 309,050
2004 - 308,992
2003 - 263,633
2002 - 278,201 --- travel decline post 9/11
2001 - 314,056 --- TK ends MIA
2000 - 358,518 --- TK adopts transit optimized flight scheduling
1999 - 311,843 --- TK opens MIA. DL tries ATL-IST
1998 - 286,510
1997 - 238,170 --- TK opens ORD
1996 - 127,213 --- DL starts JFK-IST nonstop
1995 - 110,124
1994 - 67,985 --- all TK NYC ops back to JFK. New A340 utilized across Atlantic.
1993 - 34,242
1992 - 31,446 --- Some TK NYC services transferred to EWR
1991 - 31,387 --- First Gulf War
1990 - 26,304
1989 - 21,387 --- TK first full year crossing the Atlantic (A310 IST-BRU-JFK)


Pretty amazing from where to where !
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):

Thanks as always, for providing the info. The growth is staggering. Makes it even more pathetic that DL suspended service for winter.( Yes I am still bitter)
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:44 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):

Thank you,very comprehensive indeed.

The number is in fact much less than the actual Turkey North America traffic because it lacks the numbers for pax travel via Europe (mainly, MUC, FRA, LHR, ZRH, CDG, FCO etc.) Adding ESB and ADB also will show the number.

This can be another chapter issue but TK is stealing a lot of traffic from BA, LH ,LX and AF/KL over the North America sector. These carriers historically have very high loads of pax between Noprth America and Turkey. Good for TK but more needs to be done in terms of putting codeshare by UA and AC over the North America flights operated by TK, currently these code shares only appear on North America and Turkey domestic sectors. The obstacle there is LH of course who does not wish to see Germany is by passed but this has to happen eventually.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 37):
This can be another chapter issue but TK is stealing a lot of traffic from BA, LH ,LX and AF/KL over the North America sector. These carriers historically have very high loads of pax between Noprth America and Turkey. Good for TK but more needs to be done in terms of putting codeshare by UA and AC over the North America flights operated by TK, currently these code shares only appear on North America and Turkey domestic sectors. The obstacle there is LH of course who does not wish to see Germany is by passed but this has to happen eventually.

I doubt if TK is really so much dependent on codesharing within the US. With its strong network TK can fill its planes between the US and IST. Who else is offering such a variety of destinations in Africa, Middle East, Eastern Europe and Central Asia ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 36):
The growth is staggering. Makes it even more pathetic that DL suspended service for winter.( Yes I am still bitter)

I don't think traffic volume was the real problem for Delta, but more the type of passenger and revenue (lack of) it represented.

Over time DL just has been marginalize in the Turkish market to the point of today feeding on the scraps.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 37):
Good for TK but more needs to be done in terms of putting codeshare by UA and AC over the North America flights operated by TK, currently these code shares only appear on North America and Turkey domestic sectors. The obstacle there is LH of course who does not wish to see Germany is by passed but this has to happen eventually.

There might be some codeshare listing across the Atlantic, but it will simply be a formality, not a deep partnership.

Problem for TK, is that AC-LH-UA have the Atlantic++ JV (alliance within an alliance), and they will always prefer to send traffic across their own metal for such reason.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:59 pm

TK has overtaken KLM and is now the 17th largest airline by available seat kilometers (ASKs) just behind AC. In Europe TK is 4th behind LH, BA and AF in terms of legacies.

Link: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...s-in-global-airline-rankings-79657

[Edited 2012-08-06 15:03:43]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:02 am

Quoting turkishraf (Reply 29):
I have been reading a lot about TK ex LAX. Some clients of mine flew on that route. They too said check in was a nightmare- and boarding even worse. They said the plane was mostly full of Iranian Americans- who ignored boarding by row , saying " no English" but became educated urbane people as soon as they were on board. Only a story mind... So don't hold me to it..

I flew TK LAX-IST-LAX 3 weeks ago, so anecdotal observations only: check-in was pain-free (although the buy-up to Comfort Class flyers were up at every desk, there were no Comfort Class seats available 3 hours prior to departure)

Boarding was a complete shambles - mainly because the gate area was jammed with pax standing as close to the podium as possible as soon as they arrived at the gate area (and in that area of Bradley there are no shops, cafes or other diversions to keep pax wandering around and away from the gate doorway)

Boarding in IST was actually better than at LAX - although 1 pushy American decided she'd had enough of waiting (10 minute delay!) and sneaked in through the open door and down the jetway when gate staff turned their backs...

Pax demographic was very interesting - I had assumed it was going to be loads of US tourists, but they were definitely the minority. From what I could make out the vast majority were connecting to the Stans and India/Pak and when the special meals came out a huge number were Kosher - indeed the entire row adjacent to me had their TLV boarding passes on display.

I heard plenty of Farsi being spoken, plus an entire inter-generational family connecting to Astana. On the way back there was a group of about 30 high school children from Istanbul going for summer program at Loyola Marymount.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:26 pm

According to Wikipedia Fly Dubai is launching ESB DXB as of October 1st, 2012. The same site also discloses Bahrain Air launching Ankara in mid-October.

Can anybody verify whether this is correct?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:46 am

Regarding the 3rd airport, I understand the preliminary qualification work has already started with vendors, and with the formal bid packet being released by late August/early September. Goal would be to open the bids and announce the winner in 45 days - so October'ish.

Winning firm would need to commence work (site preparation) in 180-days, so I guess by Spring 2013 we could see dirt moving.

I still says 2015 opening is a bit too ambitious -- 2 years to build an new airport from a greenfield site is pretty amazing task.
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tcm
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
I still says 2015 opening is a bit too ambitious -- 2 years to build an new airport from a greenfield site is pretty amazing task.

I guess 2016-2017 seems more likely. BTW, the preliminary/concept project is apperantly done by DHMI (State Airport Authority) in order to save time. I hope they do a proper job.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:50 pm

the whole Boeing fleet of Sky Airlines is listed for leasing (B734, B738 and B739). http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...=include/reports.cfm&pageid=m38072

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 45):
the whole Boeing fleet of Sky Airlines is listed for leasing (B734, B738 and B739).

Very interesting, but not very surprising. Sky Airlines does not have that much business and too many aircrafts with very high leasing costs. In combination with not paying their employees during winter time and giving half salary during summer time, I guess they're in for a tough season. That being said, all Turkish charter companies are looking for a wet-lease operation during the winter season....
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:06 am

Guys, i just read an article saying that TK decided not to buy A380/B748I in the near future... Also A350/B787 purchase will not be on the short term agenda. They are looking for more A330s and B777s together with the new generation single aisle aircraft A320NEO and B737MAX... These guys are fooling us.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:18 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 47):
TK decided not to buy A380/B748I

If true, that is not cool. They lost all their credibility in the aviation community. Past 5 years, every year once or twice TK decides to buy VLAs and a decision is imminent, and then they disappear. This is not how you manage a business. Lose all credibility to the aircraft vendors, and they dont believe you anymore when you ask for prices, they never give you the best offers, best schedules, etc.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 47):
Guys, i just read an article saying that TK decided not to buy A380/B748I in the near future... Also A350/B787 purchase will not be on the short term agenda. They are looking for more A330s and B777s together with the new generation single aisle aircraft A320NEO and B737MAX... These guys are fooling us.

That just sucks.. Do you have an online source?

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