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Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:22 pm

Are there any other versions from a different angle, this one is the only one on the net? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER8WiQ7S68M
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:39 pm

what about passenger accounts of the accident?
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:40 pm

It would have been creepy if we would have seen bodies flying through the air during the incident.
But we didn't.

As horrible as it seems, I just looked at it as a visual record of the incident.

It looked to me like everything was ok, a little wobbly during the flare but it looks like the right wing separated from the fuselage first.
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:45 pm

This was widely shown on the news after the crash, and has been on the web for years - crash happened Aug 22, 1999.

Only three deaths occurred - the heavy rain helped put the fire out quickly. The fire was the wing fuel tanks which burst when the plane flipped over on its back.

The plane came to a stop on its back in a grassy area.

Cause ruled pilot error for failure to stop a high descent rate.
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:49 pm

What I want to know is, why were there planespotters spotting during a typhoon?!                     
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:09 pm

This A.net photo totally came to mind when I saw the title of this thread:


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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
What I want to know is, why were there planespotters spotting during a typhoon?!

Planespotters are a breed apart!
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:16 pm

I have seen this video here and there over the last ten years or so, but I've never really heard/seen much about the crash. Was a report publically released? Was a recreation even made on those air crash investigation programmes? When I was younger, I remember seeing this video, but when I would think about it, I always felt it was a bad nightmare.
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
What I want to know is, why were there planespotters spotting during a typhoon?!

The winds at the airport were a maximum of 30 kts, with gusts to 45 kts. The center of the storm was 50 miles past the airport - moving away, and the airport was in the lowest wind quadrant. The storm had been downgraded to a tropical cyclone.

When this crew was 14 miles out, they were given weather of 1,600m visibility, winds 25 at 320 gusting to 33.

The Captain of the B747 that landed six minutes earlier than this aircraft on the same runway reported moderate turbulence after passing 1,000 ft, and moderate to severe turbulence at 250 ft which decreased at 150 ft.

The Crew of the B777 which landed on the other runway about four minutes before this plane crashed reported gusts between 200 and 100 ft which resulted in speed fluctuations including 'a large speed reduction' when they entered flare. That crew countered with a rapid manual increase in thrust.

Source - accident report - http://www.cad.gov.hk/reports/main1.pdf - pages 28 & 29.

The airport did not experience typhoon strength winds from the storm - so the spotters were not out in actual typhoon winds.
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
What I want to know is, why were there planespotters spotting during a typhoon?!

I don't recall the story however I do know they weren't spotters...
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:03 am

There was a caption next to the above picture a few years ago quoting the Captain of the Mandarin MD11 on the PA as he taxied past the wreckage:



'Ladies and Gentleman, for those of you seated on the left side of the Aircraft you have a fine view of Hong Kong's new Chek Lap Kok Airport while those of you on the right can see our, er, other Aircraft..'

[Edited 2012-08-01 19:08:33]
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting N751PR (Reply 5):
This A.net photo totally came to mind when I saw the title of this thread:

It was that photo that first introduced me to Anet. Someone sent it to me as an email attachment and it had the watermark. Have been here ever since

I landed in a T8 typhoon just a couple of weeks ago in a Dragonair A330. Was smooth as silk on touchdown. A bit shaky coming in.
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting speedbrds (Reply 7):

I have seen this video here and there over the last ten years or so, but I've never really heard/seen much about the crash. Was a report publically released?

A Final Aircraft Accident Report was released in 2004 by Civil Aviation Department of the Government of Hong Kong SAR.

http://www.cad.gov.hk/english/n1.html

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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting Kiwiinoz (Reply 11):
It was that photo that first introduced me to Anet. Someone sent it to me as an email attachment and it had the watermark. Have been here ever since

Same here! I had never heard of A.net before seeing that photo, and noticing the site name listed there.
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):

You're new here aren't you?  
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:40 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
The winds at the airport were a maximum of 30 kts, with gusts to 45 kts.

Which is above the MD-11's maximum crosswind component.
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:03 am

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 15):

Which is above the MD-11's maximum crosswind component.

Most aircraft do not have a certified crosswind limit, and they are silent on the use of gusts. This comes back to the vague
flight test certification requirements for cross wind landings.

Most operators use the maximum demonstrated during flight testing as their limit, some use a lower limit, some use a higher limit (it can help tick the box for ETOPS dispatch for an enroute airport).
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 6):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
What I want to know is, why were there planespotters spotting during a typhoon?!

Planespotters are a breed apart!

I was spotting during one of the largest haboobs of the year last year in PHX.   
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:52 pm

Interesting photos of the scene from the accident report.

http://www.cad.gov.hk/reports/r1app1/app1-15.pdf
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:57 pm

The part of the accident report I linked above says that many injuries were to head, shoulders, neck and back - caused by passengers releasing their seat belts while handing inverted - and falling to the ceiling.
 
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RE: Mandarin Airlines MD11 Crash Video

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:34 pm

IIRC from reports at the time the final report came out that both Boeing and NTSB were unable to replicate in simulators the aircrafts last seconds suggesting, to some, there was a severe downdraft or other issue which may not have been recorded but contributed significantly to the accident besides the pilot error. This was the first of several MD11 landing accidents revealing the planes difficult handling in certain situations.

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