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Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:00 pm

According to the GDS, Effective 10th December EK will start daily flights to Phuket using an A332.

EK 378 DXB HKT 1245 2155
EK 379 HKT DXB 0035 0435

Daily A332

[Edited 2012-08-01 13:12:43]
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December 12

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:09 pm

From the 10th of December 2012

EK378 DXB 1245 – 2155 HKT 332 Daily
EK379 HKT 0035 – 0435 DXB 332 Daily
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:18 pm

Very exciting! I figured it wouldn't be long before we see the Asian tourist hotspots like HKT and DPS come online, given the major increase in European flying (hub feed to markets like this) from DXB. Still, I figured we would see them add TPE - ostensibly the last major Pacific Rim market they do not serve - before secondary markets like this. Perhaps they want to appease the Chinese authorities by not going to TPE?
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Very exciting! I figured it wouldn't be long before we see the Asian tourist hotspots like HKT and DPS come online, given the major increase in European flying (hub feed to markets like this) from DXB. Still, I figured we would see them add TPE - ostensibly the last major Pacific Rim market they do not serve - before secondary markets like this. Perhaps they want to appease the Chinese authorities by not going to TPE?

The Europeans (particularly the Northern ones) love vacationing in HKT but don't really care too much about TPE. Nothing relating to Chinese authorities (who are in good terms with the ROC government as of today).

Eventually TPE will come to EK, but I'd imagine EK has "bigger fish to fry" for now (large portions of the Americas remain untapped)
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I figured it wouldn't be long before we see the Asian tourist hotspots like HKT and DPS come online

I personally had wondered why HKT wasn't served from DXB. I had thought it might be bilateral rights. Good to see it is making EK's route map.

I'd like to know the chance of DPS being served.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
Eventually TPE will come to EK

What is EK's current China bilateral rights status? IMHO, EK will hold off on TPE until they think they have maxed out China rights. Since there are too many unserved Chinese mainland cities (for EK), I think TPE is a long way off.

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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
What is EK's current China bilateral rights status? IMHO, EK will hold off on TPE until they think they have maxed out China rights. Since there are too many unserved Chinese mainland cities (for EK), I think TPE is a long way off.

I thought bilateral rights to R.O.C. are independent to those of P.R.O.C. ?
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:31 am

Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable. I presume that European connections are targeted, but they are left with average connecting times of 6 to 7 hours. Other South East Asian departures with this kind of schedule leave over 2 hours earlier: BKK at 0905 and 0940, SGN at 0925, HKG at 1005, KUL at 1030, SIN at 0935, CGK at 1025, MNL at 1030.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:22 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
I thought bilateral rights to R.O.C. are independent to those of P.R.O.C. ?

Legally, you are correct. What would mainland China do if EK started flying to TPE? I really doubt there would be any expansion of rights to mainland China for a while.

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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:57 am

The flight availability on any date seems oddly zeroed out in Galileo - is this service not on actual sale yet ?
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:07 am

Took their time entering the Phuket market, I was expecting EK to do this about 4 years ago
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:26 am

Quoting MAN2SIN2BKK (Reply 9):
Took their time entering the Phuket market, I was expecting EK to do this about 4 years ago

I would've expected the flight to be a tag on flight considering EK serve BKK 3 daily if I am not mistaken...

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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:51 am

Quoting MAN2SIN2BKK (Reply 9):
Took their time entering the Phuket market, I was expecting EK to do this about 4 years ago

I see why they waited, but yes it has been an obvious gap in their route map, I'm please to see things continuing so well at EK, lots of new planes, lots of employees and more. I saw a special on EK's DXB hub a few months ago, and the sheer quantity of baggage, food, people, fuel dishware, and employees is truly staggering, it is a very well timed machine that creates meals for like 52 different cultures and dietary requirements for their passengers depending on destination and time of the day. I think they said EK has 4 large banks for flights in and out of DXB just with EK. Anyway, a good watch.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):
I would've expected the flight to be a tag on flight considering EK serve BKK 3 daily if I am not mistaken

I know EK does a few tag routes, but I remember something said in the past about EK's first goal is to provide service, and provide it non-stop whenever possible.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:10 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):

Where did you see the special? If online, can you send me a link, or atlesst what it's called?

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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:19 am

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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable.

That was also my first thought.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:11 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable.

That was also my first thought.

I don't quite undersatand this.. there's a whole raft of european flights (particularly from UK) that arrive in Dubai in the 4 hours running up to this? seems quite attractive to me.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 15):
there's a whole raft of european flights (particularly from UK) that arrive in Dubai in the 4 hours running up to this? seems quite attractive to me

There is exactly one such flight, from LHR, which arrives at 8.45am and has a 4-hour connecting time. All other European arrivals come in 5 - 7 hours before the departure of the HKT flight.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:40 pm

Considering the number of Scandinavians traveling to Thailand every year (500.000 Swedes alone) EK should aim to start up HEL, ARN and OSL asap.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 15):
I don't quite undersatand this.. there's a whole raft of european flights (particularly from UK) that arrive in Dubai in the 4 hours running up to this?
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 16):
There is exactly one such flight, from LHR, which arrives at 8.45am

HB is correct: LHR is the only arrival within 4 hours of the HKT service departing, with very few other relevant arrivals, although it now arrives at 805am and not 845am meaning an even longer connection.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:19 pm

EK is usually not known to make any public changes - and will often only publish a finalized schedule. But this time, I feel that they are very likely to readjust the sked.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 19):
But this time, I feel that they are very likely to readjust the sked.

Although I also believe the outbound schedule is far from optimal, there must be some reason for this. The people in scheduling and network development at EK are not idiots. Now we just need to find out what is the rationale for this 12.45 departure.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:54 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable.
That was also my first thought.

Mine too!

I wonder if the intention is to persuade long haul pax to take a few days in DXB? Alternatively, it's to encourage pax from regional destinations rather than long haul.

Of course, it could also be that they felt that the route that best suited to a two class 332 and when they did their analysis, this timing was the best way to fit it in.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
Legally, you are correct. What would mainland China do if EK started flying to TPE? I really doubt there would be any expansion of rights to mainland China for a while.

I'd have thought that with so many flights between China and Taiwan now, this would no longer be an issue! Still, as TC has said that EK wants to expand into China, no sense in upsetting them if an interline agreement with TG will do the job as far as accessing Taiwan is concerned!
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 21):
it's to encourage pax from regional destinations rather than long haul.

Alas, few regional connections within a 4-to-5-hour period of the outbound departure (say, from 8am onwards): MCT, MED, DOH, and BAH. Not regional, of course, but complementing LHR is GLA at 8am and JNB at 820am.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
Although I also believe the outbound schedule is far from optimal, there must be some reason for this. The people in scheduling and network development at EK are not idiots. Now we just need to find out what is the rationale for this 12.45 departure.

Two reasons are all I can figure that make some sense for the late (suboptimal) outbound flight vs other east bound routes/destinations:

1. Aircraft availability (main one) - The aircraft can turn off one of the morning intra-gulf routes and the return can take the place of an aircraft that previously overnighted. As a result, the new route is in effect using less than a full shell and increasing overall utilization, making it a cheap new route to operate

2. Yield (lesser reason) - HKT is almost exclusively leisure, so would in theory endure a suboptimal schedule for cheaper pricing. Additionally, leisure travelers might spend more in Dubai while on their layover.

The 2-class A332 makes some sense in this case since there's likely very little cargo and EK is looking for the absolute lowest seat-costs. I can see it growing into a 2-class 773 eventually though. I wouldn't expect this route to make much money on a segment basis, but can see it being a solid system contributor since it is such a large market to/from Europe. Couple that with the increase in aircraft utilization and the route makes a lot of sense.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:06 pm

Europeans love this destination. When I've traveled to BKK, I've seen lots of Middle Eastern families as well so the market is there for them as well.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:12 pm

Does anyone know when the peak period for flights is at HKT? The airport right now is running at 140% capacity (I believe the current terminal only accommodates 6 million while the traffic has been growing dramatically in recent years and might top 9 million this year). Until an expansion is completed some time in 2015-16 I have to think the airport authority might be offering incentives to conduct operations during off-peak periods (as has been proposed for BKK). Or EK may have just decided these hours on their own with the crowding as a factor.

I could be entirely wrong about this if HKT's peak hours are in fact late at night.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting lawair (Reply 25):
Does anyone know when the peak period for flights is at HKT? The airport right now is running at 140% capacity (I believe the current terminal only accommodates 6 million while the traffic has been growing dramatically in recent years and might top 9 million this year). Until an expansion is completed some time in 2015-16 I have to think the airport authority might be offering incentives to conduct operations during off-peak periods (as has been proposed for BKK). Or EK may have just decided these hours on their own with the crowding as a factor.

Excellent point! HKT only has 15 aircraft stands and can hold 4-5 widebodies simultaneously I believe. The peak for large gauge aircraft is from noon to the early evening with TG having 2-3 widebody aircraft on the ground for much of this time period by itself. Because of this, widebody slots earlier than 2155 might have been difficult to acquire.

This doesn't even take into account terminal constraints which are just as much (if not more) of a problem.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:22 am

So that brings the total number of upcoming long haul routes to five. I think the A343 retirement date is starting to look a little ambitious...


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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:19 am

How are the connex with Moscow flights? Russian tourists (as well as those from MEast and Gulf states) love Phuket.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
Eventually TPE will come to EK, but I'd imagine EK has "bigger fish to fry" for now (large portions of the Americas remain untapped)

Although you may not realise it from where you sit, TPE and the ROC are no small fry but there is a much bigger fish in the PRC which the Emirs don't want to antagonise. Were it not for the two Chinas issue, TPE would have been served years ago. Now, the kettle of American fish have their own unique political issues to deal with when attempting to fry, not least of these being governments protecting their own airlines and markets.

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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:31 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
Although I also believe the outbound schedule is far from optimal, there must be some reason for this. The people in scheduling and network development at EK are not idiots. Now we just need to find out what is the rationale for this 12.45 departure.
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
EK 378 DXB HKT 1245 2155
EK 379 HKT DXB 0035 0435

Agree:
could it be that they plan to bring it forward once they work out where to operate the tag, or indeed where they can secure the rights to operate to?

if they operated the optimal schedule would be interesting to work out the available flying time from the HKT tag.

DXB 08:45
HKT 17:55

ETD 19:10

ETA 00:35

HKT 01:45
DXB 05:45

based on above estimates, EK would have a maximum 5 hours flying time, so basically 1:45 sectors x 2 and 1.20 ground time.

probably not many enticing sectors within that range
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:43 am

Maybe we can see EK PHX service one day,haha im only kidding only in my dreams... On the other hand congrats to Emirates!
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:31 am

This is such a great niche route for them. Its a good plane choice too for one of their "small" planes.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:58 pm

Any know when this will go on sale? Not availbe yet. I've been waiting for EK start Phuket for ages now! Hopefully they will introduce some special fares when it is launched!
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:12 pm

Interestingly this isnt on sale on EK's website at the moment, yet i have just manage to search for a package deal to Phuket on Expedia and its showing this new flight?! How strange!
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting MAN2SIN2BKK (Reply 9):
Took their time entering the Phuket market, I was expecting EK to do this about 4 years ago

Well, they were not under pressure to do so then ...
But since Etihad serves HKT (through Air Berlin) EK didn´t want to leave that market to EY/AB.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:35 pm

Good the get one choice more to HKT, I just wish the airport itself wouldn't be so outdated and cramped. I just heard something is going on there finally, the expansion and renovation should be finished in 2015, hopefully so.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:11 pm

I keep wondering about the whys of that choice.

Apart from low-yielding traffic from Scandinavia, what can they attract ?

This doesn't look like EK to me. They could better use that 330 IMO.
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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 36):
I keep wondering about the whys of that choice.

Apart from low-yielding traffic from Scandinavia, what can they attract ?

This doesn't look like EK to me. They could better use that 330 IMO.

See my reply 23. It's a utilization route for the A332, so it only needs to cover the variable operating costs to make sense. Additionally, it will provide a system benefit to the European routes by filling coach seats that would otherwise go unoccupied. I agree that this does not seem like typical EK, but I will say that it is a shrewd, low risk add with very low cost hurdles.

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RE: Emirates To Start Phuket From December

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting spinkid (Reply 24):
Europeans love this destination.

If more Americans visited HKT, they would love it as well. I thought it was far superior to Bali in most aspects, and I went with my wife! The biggest issue I had were the taxi drivers from the airport. Other than that, it is a great island.
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