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Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:42 pm

Hi,

are there any news regarding Lufthansa Cargo´s order for the 777F ? When will the first plane be delivered ? Any news if they will go to LH Cargo or Aero Logic ?
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:45 pm

Am I correct in assuming that these would be replacing the MD-11F's? (I'll miss seeing those at JFK  )
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:13 am

The Lufthansa livery on a 777, now that'd be something to see.

LH Cargo CEO said the 777F was the best replacement for his MD11 fleet, so it well be 777s for sure
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:41 am

The question is premature as LHCargo decides ad hoc depending on market situation. it is safe to say however that the oldest MD11s which came in second hand will the first to be replaced by 777Fs. When an dif re-orders will take place depends on a lot of factors, also on the fzuture of FRA as a cargo hub which is handicapped by the curfew and the 11 pm guillotine.
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:35 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
The question is premature as LHCargo decides ad hoc depending on market situation. it is safe to say however that the oldest MD11s which came in second hand will the first to be replaced by 777Fs. When an dif re-orders will take place depends on a lot of factors, also on the fzuture of FRA as a cargo hub which is handicapped by the curfew and the 11 pm guillotine.

Still the aircraft are ordered sure LH Cargo can still cancel the order or sell the slots but I doubt this will happen. When would be the delivery date of the first plane ? Early or late 2013 ? Any estimate ?

[Edited 2012-08-02 00:36:48]
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:43 am

Two in 2013, two in 2014 and one in 2015 but no indication which part of the years.

I think that, despite all the obstacles, it is safe to say that LH will take this batch. They still have 4 ex Varig and AZ MD11s. The 777Fs will replace these or, should miracles happen, come in for growth. That'll be an ad-hoc decision.
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:36 pm

This might be a little bit off topic, but on this picture there are two LCAG MD-11 sitting in Almaty


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I thought they switched their Asian hub from Almaty to Russia, for political reasons... ?
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 7):

They did, but a couple flights are still done via ALA, like the HKG flight, this one stops in ALA and not in KJA.

I heard LH Cargo wants to keep their MD11F's at least until 2022...

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Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:45 pm

All of them, or just the "real" freighters?

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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:12 pm

LH is most likely looking to free up cash for additional 748's.  
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
The Lufthansa livery on a 777, now that'd be something to see.

here, that's what many of us dream about:
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Reminds me very much on an A310  
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:16 pm

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Others will however say three hallelujahs if it never happens.  
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 12):
Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):here, that's what many of us dream about:

Reminds me very much on an A310

That would be a streched A-310, with a much wider wingspan and huge engines.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:32 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
That would be a streched A-310, with a much wider wingspan and huge engines.

Still the silouhette is very much the same. The 777 is bigger as you said but if you can not tell the size difference there is a great resemblance especially in that paint scheme.

Quoting aloges (Reply 13):
Others will however say three hallelujahs if it never happens.  

777-300ER was at least a possibility, for the 777-200ER you don´t need any prayers, it would be a waste of time  
Still the 777X and the 787-10 are likely
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:48 am

DVZ, Germany's leading logistics publication, featured an interview with the LHCargo CEO today.

Main item concerning this topic here is that they look forward receiving the first 2 777F in the fourth quarter 2013.

No decision has yet been made if MD11s are phased out when the new 777 fleet arrives. Much depenfdsw on the situation in FRA and how the customers respond to the curfew. Especially North American routes are at stake, where departures between 11 pm and 5 pm are crucial for the success of these routes.

HHN,CGN and LEJ are ruled out as alternatives.
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
Main item concerning this topic here is that they look forward receiving the first 2 777F in the fourth quarter 2013.

Pretty long backkog for the 777  
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Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 15):
Still the silouhette is very much the same. The 777 is bigger as you said but if you can not tell the size difference there is a great resemblance especially in that paint scheme.

It's true, I thought the same when I saw the picture. If you cover the fuselage behind the wings with your hand it looks like an A 300. I think in this rendering the forehead (yes, KC135TopBoom, even the holy 777 has a forehead   ) is not shown correctly but I might be wrong, of course.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 15):
Still the silouhette is very much the same. The 777 is bigger as you said but if you can not tell the size difference there is a great resemblance especially in that paint scheme.

On top of that, the reg on the one in reply no. 11 would only appear on an Airbus.  
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 19):
On top of that, the reg on the one in reply no. 11 would only appear on an Airbus.  

Wasn´t there an infamous saying the 777 is the best Airbus Boeing ever build  
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:28 pm

According to this article below a decision whether the aircraft will go to LH Cargo or Aerologic will be made soon. Without going further into detail the article states that it is indeed very likely that the aircraft will be used by LH Cargo

Link in German http://www.aero.de/news-15657/Luftha...eidet-ueber-B777F-Lieferungen.html
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Would love to see a passenger version but the 777F will be nice too.

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
Wasn´t there an infamous saying the 777 is the best Airbus Boeing ever build  

Airbus could never build such a beautiful aircraft  

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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:58 am

Was reading in an internet airfreight newsletter today that LHCargo also has 5 options in addition to the 5 firm orders.
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:11 am

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Yeah, a nightmare 
 
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting columba (Reply 21):
Without going further into detail the article states that it is indeed very likely that the aircraft will be used by LH Cargo

The understanding here in LH Cargo's U.S. offices is that those aircraft will indeed be replacing the MD-11Fs and will be sporting LH livery. I certainly hope this is accurate and look forward to seeing the 777-LRF in LH Cargo livery!
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RE: Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
Airbus could never build such a beautiful aircraft

Just wait until the A345 crowd sees this