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Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:06 am

Heard from an executive of another airline today that rumor's were flying around that Scoot would introduce HKG - HNL service in 2013. I'm not acquainted enough with SQ's plans for Scoot to know if this makes any sense. And, isn't Scoot flying 772 a's and do they have the legs to fly the route without heavy load restrictions? Would love to see service to HKG from HNL again, but I would have thought it would be HA putting their toes in the water first.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:25 am

would Scoot, as a Singapore Carrier have the rights to operate this sector?
I supper SQ operates via HKG to north america.

SIN-HNL would be 13-14 hours, so perhaps a stop via HKG assist with both pax uplift and payload.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:48 am

Although still a rumor, it would be nice if this really does become a reality! At the rate HA is expanding internationally, I wouldn't be surprised if they were also looking into the SE Asia market. Exciting times ahead!

Quoting HNL-Jack (Thread starter):
And, isn't Scoot flying 772 a's and do they have the legs to fly the route without heavy load restrictions?

They're flying de-rated B772ERs (including SQ's first B777), which could be simply "re-rated" after some paperwork.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:26 am

Given HA's expansion at HNL, if this happens, I think Scoot (or SQ maybe) should launch some sort of codeshare with HA.

It's a good idea nonetheless
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:59 am

Quoting je89_w (Reply 2):
At the rate HA is expanding internationally, I wouldn't be surprised if they were also looking into the SE Asia market

I'm sure HKG and SIN are both on HA's radar, but w/o the 350 are either of these viable with their given fleet? I'd imagine the 332 can make HKG-HNL, but HNL-HKG? I'd expect HA would try to launch HKG if they could, but the non-stops to SIN I think would need to be a 350 route, or the option is a tag route, and that doesn't seem to be HA's thing.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Given HA's expansion at HNL, if this happens, I think Scoot (or SQ maybe) should launch some sort of codeshare with HA.

Code share so Scoot passengers could connect Inter Island? Or so HA can send passengers to HKG and SIN? I am not sure Scoot could provide the same service HA is known for, and I think the customer experience would suffer. What aircraft are they looking to operate to HNL? I'll believe it when it lands on O'ahu.
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 4):
Code share so Scoot passengers could connect Inter Island? Or so HA can send passengers to HKG and SIN? I am not sure Scoot could provide the same service HA is known for, and I think the customer experience would suffer. What aircraft are they looking to operate to HNL? I'll believe it when it lands on O'ahu.



Wouldn't they be able to use HA's service elsewhere?
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting je89_w (Reply 2):
They're flying de-rated B772ERs (including SQ's first B777), which could be simply "re-rated" after some paperwork.


Interesting! (But what does it mean to de-rate a 777?)

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 4):
I am not sure Scoot could provide the same service HA is known for,


I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 1):
would Scoot, as a Singapore Carrier have the rights to operate this sector?

SQ already operates to the US via HKG, as well as other Asian and European cities so I'm pretty sure it can. Singapore and the US have open skies as well.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:37 pm

I would absolutely love to see SQ mirror QF and operate daily using both the full-service and low-cost arm, for example:

SQ SIN-HNL direct 77W 3 x weekly
TZ SIN-HKG-HNL 772 4 x weekly

Even though HNL is predominately a leisure market, there is definitely demand for high-paying J pax that I believe would be extremely disatisfied with a low-cost service, especially with all the one stop J and C offerings on JL, NH, CI, KE etc. I personally think this is the only reason why QF are still bothering with HNL.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
Interesting! (But what does it mean to de-rate a 777?)

It means that because SQ used certain 772s on short haul regional flights (for example, Indonesia, Thailand, India, regional Asia), they didn't need the range of those aircraft flying to, say, AMS, CPH or JNB and as such, the engines were de-rated, so that they didn't produce quite so much thrust and it also reduced their MTOW. The same thing can be done in reverse; ANA used to do this quite a lot when it used 744s on international flights; they could whip off the winglets, de-rate the engines and reconfigure the cabin, if they so chose.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.

"Inferior" is probably the wrong word, but "low cost" is probably better; SQ know this, because they set it up! They would still demand a high level of competence and professionalism of their crews.

The A350-800 has a range of about 8,500nm (with pax/bags); HNL-SIN is 6,700mi (which is around 5,820nm), so well within range of the A358 and indeed, the 772.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=hnl-sin

Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:57 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.

After having flown with them, I can tell you, it is a much inferior on-board experience! No where near SQ levels, nor any mainline carrier. Probably even below JQ. Saying that, it was a fun flight and enjoyable, but wouldnt be for FF.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:25 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.

SQ, QF, TS, PA, UA, CO, GA, CP, BN, HA have all used HNL as a crossroads between East and West, to name a few.
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.

SQ stopped serving HNL when the 744's arrived. I once flew LAX-HNL-TPE-SIN in the very late 80's, but I think they also flew SIN-NRT-HNL-LAX.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
SQ stopped serving HNL when the 744's arrived. I once flew LAX-HNL-TPE-SIN in the very late 80's, but I think they also flew SIN-NRT-HNL-LAX.

SQ never served NRT to LAX via HNL. This flight originally went nonstop SIN-NRT-LAX with the B743 and still exists today as SQ12/SQ11.

The pair of SQ jumbo flights that stopped by in HNL were:

SQ2 (SQ1 return) SIN-HKG-HNL-SFO
SQ6 (SQ5 return) SIN-TPE-HNL-LAX
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 1):
would Scoot, as a Singapore Carrier have the rights to operate this sector?

SQ already operates to the US via HKG, as well as other Asian and European cities so I'm pretty sure it can. Singapore and the US have open skies as well.

But I am almost certain it would have to be a 5th freedom service originating/terminating in SIN. I highly doubt they would have 7th freedom rights to operate a stand-alone HNL-HKG service without any connection to their home country.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:42 am

HKG would be nice.

I think TPE will come first then flights to China.

Developing Manila by connecting West Coast pax through HNL is probably another focus. Current US restrictions prevent PR from expanding to the US, which allows HA to take advantage of the underserved US-Philippine market.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:06 am

They should have rights from HK, given SQ used to have HKG-LAS so they should have rights to do 3-4 a week
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:59 pm

Small market size, no connections on either end, and a product that would make Tower Air look luxurious. I don't see HNL ever working for Scoot.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.

SQ, QF, TS, PA, UA, CO, GA, CP, BN, HA have all used HNL as a crossroads between East and West, to name a few.

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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:25 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
And they all stopped doing that for a reason

Actually, it was because they no longer needed a fuel stop once the 747-400 & MD-11 came on the scene.

It never really was a connection point as the non-U.S. carriers could not carry local traffic between the West Coast and Hawaii. Once the range of the aircraft improved the carriers pulled from HNL quickly.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:43 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.

I agree there, I flew Silk Air a SQ low cost carrier the other week between SIN and Kula Lumper and they were very good so I would reacon SQ would expect the same level of service with Scoot.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:44 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 19):
I agree there, I flew Silk Air a SQ low cost carrier the other week between SIN and Kula Lumper and they were very good so I would reacon SQ would expect the same level of service with Scoot.

I've never flown Silk Air, which is a regional carrier, not LCC, but from what I know of Silk Air, Scoot is nothing like it. In my opinion Scoot is worse than Jetstar (I quite like Jetstar, understanding that they are a LCC). Very uncomfortable seating in economy and the service is nothing special either, though hopefully that aspect will improve with experience. Take a look at some recent trip reports on Scoot, mine included, and you should get the idea. Right now, give me Jetstar any day over Scoot.
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:54 am

If I were to guess hkg to either las or sea are gonna be more successful than hnl. Sq or scott will have the market all to themselves and with more business flyers too.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 19):
I agree there, I flew Silk Air a SQ low cost carrier the other week between SIN and Kula Lumper and they were very good so I would reacon SQ would expect the same level of service with Scoot.

I would be inclined to agree with you...if SQ plastered its name and logo all of Scoot's aircraft. But they don't. The only place where you well see SQ mentioned is in Scoot's press releases where they mention they are a wholly owned subsidy, which most people not interested in aviation don't read. Their "About Us" page on their website doesn't even mention SQ. A majority people flying Scoot (especially non-singaporeans) probably have no clue about Scoot's ownership which means that they can get away with offering inferior service without damaging the SQ brand. And, as noted, Silk Air is suppose to be a regional airline, not necessarily a LCC.
 
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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 20):
In my opinion Scoot is worse than Jetstar (I quite like Jetstar, understanding that they are a LCC).

How many times have you flown Scoot?

I have flown many sectors on Jetstar Asia Airways and four sectors on Scoot ... and I am inclined to disagree with you. The service on Scoot has been very professional and warm, and other than selling food, snacks and beverages on board, it does not feel like an LCC.

That is not to say that Jetstar is not good ... on the contrary, they are also quite good.

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RE: Rumor: Scoot To HNL

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:18 pm

According to June 11, 2012 WSJ article, the CEO said they were not looking to long haul "for now".

CEO said they had their sights on flights in the 4-8 hour range - all Asia-Pacific destinations, particularly in China.

Regarding USA, he specifically said following:
Scoot, which started commercial operations with a Singapore-Sydney flight, will likely await the resolution of the European financial crisis before considering services to the continent, and it has "no great interest" in flying to the U.S. for now, Mr. Wilson said. He referred to possible flights to Europe as a "conundrum" with which Scoot is now grappling.

Also according to the article the fleet growth will be slow initially - with only 2 more 777s joining the fleet in 2012, with 12-14 examples total in 3-4 years time.
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