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Turkish 747-8I Or A380?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:41 pm

Any idea about he decision to order the 747-8I or the A380? I read somewhere it was expected for the end of July...
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:04 pm

They've been saying for a while now that they're very close to a decision (since 2010, I believe), but so far nothing has materialised. Before Farnborough they did say "end of July", I believe, but that date has also come and gone...
Announcement might just be delayed by a few days/weeks - or it mightn't be worth holding our breaths for this one if they decided to wait for the 747-8i PIPs and A380 wing fixes before making a final decision.
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RE: Turkish 747-8I Or A380?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:04 pm

In the Turkish Aviation thread it is said the order hasn't been decided yet, with another board meeting planned for August.

Turkish Aviation August 2012 (by TK787 Aug 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)

However, in one other thread (don't know which one!) it was mentioned that Turkish had decided for 99% for the Boeing 747-8i... Unconfirmed of course.

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Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 2):
However, in one other thread (don't know which one!) it was mentioned that Turkish had decided for 99% for the Boeing 747-8i... Unconfirmed of course.

StrategicAero Research evidently has claimed that TK has chosen the 747-8.
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:58 pm

What routes would they fly the larger aircraft on? JFK since it is 3x daily?
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
StrategicAero Research evidently has claimed that TK has chosen the 747-8


I am assuming availability played a large part in this decision ? (That and its great plane)
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 5):
I am assuming availability played a large part in this decision ? (That and its great plane)

Honestly, TK is an airline I could see growing to the point where both the 747-8 and the A380-800 could serve in their fleet, but yes, I expect TK can get a 747-8 "soon" thanks to 747-8 freighter customers deferring orders due to continued weak cargo demand around the world.
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 5):
I am assuming availability played a large part in this decision ? (That and its great plane)
Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
but yes, I expect TK can get a 747-8 "soon" thanks to 747-8 freighter customers deferring orders due to continued weak cargo demand around the world.

Availability and how soon they can get hold of a VLA is largely irrelevant. IST is not ready for a fleet of either type and nor does it seem like it will be made ready, TK have to wait until the new IST is sited and built.


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Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 5):

Would that depend on the size of TK's potential order??    I know that carriers use mutiple versions of widebody aircraft ie 777,330, 340, 767 but I know that most carriers that have the 747 who are now using the A380 or will be getting the A380 are not or doesn't seem like (IMHO) using them side by side. Singapore phased them all out, EK has none, Malaysia is accelerating the 747 for the A380. BA will soon phase out the 747 for the 777x or the A350.

Granted LH, KE, and Qantas have 747's and the A380 and operate them together but they are larger than TK and have better routes to serve those aircraft.

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Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
Availability and how soon they can get hold of a VLA is largely irrelevant

I beg to differ. If hypotehtically they could get a 748 in 2013, but an A380 wouldn't be available until 2015-2016, I'm sure that would weigh on their decision.

On a related note, what are the current backlogs for the A380 and 748?
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 9):
I beg to differ. If hypotehtically they could get a 748 in 2013, but an A380 wouldn't be available until 2015-2016, I'm sure that would weigh on their decision.

You haven't read what I said. TK's home base, IST, is not geared up for more than a handful of VLAs so, until the new airport is built, TK cannot practically add such a type to their fleet, even adding more 77Ws will put pressure on the number of large stands available. The new airport has only just gone out to tender and is planned to open in 2015, making the sooner availability of the 748i largely irrelevant.


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Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
The new airport has only just gone out to tender and is planned to open in 2015, making the sooner availability of the 748i largely irrelevant.

Granted. But still, say the new IST opens 2015, wouldn't TK want to get their new VLA asap? Im sure backlogs run well over 2015 so still, if they can have 748 short after new IST opens, but A380 takes a couple of years (or vice-versa) I´m sure their decision will take that into account.

What I mean is, IST won't be able to handle VLAs until 2015, but TK won't be able to get any sooner than that, either.
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 11):
Granted. But still, say the new IST opens 2015, wouldn't TK want to get their new VLA asap? Im sure backlogs run well over 2015 so still, if they can have 748 short after new IST opens, but A380 takes a couple of years (or vice-versa) I´m sure their decision will take that into account.

I can imagine that going from 0 to a small fleet in one shot, especially at a new airport, would be very challenging and again not that practical. Also I am very skeptical about the opening date, 2-3 years to go from the end of a tendering process to opening a facility capable of handling 90mppa. Yeah, good luck on that one... I'll raise my hat to them if they pull it off that's for sure


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Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:07 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
I can imagine that going from 0 to a small fleet in one shot, especially at a new airport, would be very challenging and again not that practical.

I agree, and I've always been skeptical of TK ordering VLAs but that's not the topic at hand. The question is wether TK would choose 748 or 380 not if (and that's a BIG IF) they should buy VLAs in the first place (which I believe we agree they shouldn't)
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:10 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 13):
I agree, and I've always been skeptical of TK ordering VLAs but that's not the topic at hand. The question is wether TK would choose 748 or 380 not if (and that's a BIG IF) they should buy VLAs in the first place (which I believe we agree they shouldn't)

Oh no, I think TK is quite ready to add a VLA to their fleet, I can see them having 6-10 initially with that number growing to 20+ in the more distant future. But it's not going to be practical until the new airport is open - which is now badly needed.


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Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:22 am

Here's a thought...Maybe TK is looking to lease some of the 25 748is that LH has commited to. With the current Euro recession, that might make some sense.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 15):
Maybe TK is looking to lease some of the 25 748is that LH has commited to.

LH has 20 on order with 20 options.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:55 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 5):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):StrategicAero Research evidently has claimed that TK has chosen the 747-8

I am assuming availability played a large part in this decision ? (That and its great plane)

That, and they seem to be a bit more loyal to Boeing than they do to Airbus. They have 86 Airbus' in their fleet, versus 94 Boeing. Boeing probably gave them a better deal.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:57 am

Has TK flown the 747 before? It is, although it would be nice if Boeing wins another order for the 747-8, quite surprising to see an airline buying the 747-8 as they probably never had 747s of any variant before.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:03 am

I will be very surprised if an airline such as TK took 748i in as their very first VLA. The 748i is no doubt the final and last incarnation of the legendary 747. To take this model - I would say - makes more sense for an airline that already has the 744 such as LH.

The A380-800 on the other hand is the first incarnation and will be followed by many more incarnations in the years to come. Sooner or later TK will need to take this model as well if they want to continue operating VLAs. So why not begin here?
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:50 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 14):
Oh no, I think TK is quite ready to add a VLA to their fleet, I can see them having 6-10 initially with that number growing to 20+ in the more distant future. But it's not going to be practical until the new airport is open - which is now badly needed.

Speaking of VLA's for TK, specifically, "do they need them:" Is TK in a geographic position to give Emirates a run for their money as another transfer airport between West and East? Do they have any designs to become a major transfer operation out of Istanbul? THAT would require some VLA's.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
You haven't read what I said. TK's home base, IST, is not geared up for more than a handful of VLAs so, until the new airport is built, TK cannot practically add such a type to their fleet, even adding more 77Ws will put pressure on the number of large stands available. The new airport has only just gone out to tender and is planned to open in 2015, making the sooner availability of the 748i largely irrelevant.

in fact, IST (Atatuerk Airport) at the moment is not even certified for A380/B748 ICAO category F size aircraft. Even en-route diversion due to emergency had been denied in the past. which underlines your last statement: nothing requiered (or able to operate) before 2015 earliest.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):
Has TK flown the 747 before? I

no they haven't. in fact, the first 747 operated by any Turkish company just came to Turkey a few years ago. so far only one cargo operator has them.

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 20):

Speaking of VLA's for TK, specifically, "do they need them:"

Seen over the whole year NO, but during special seasonalities they are able to easily fill those planes. One of those is the hajj season, also during summer to Northamerica and again during summer to places like LON, AMS, FRA, etc. I would say that the Far East is very well served with the 77W (right size, right range, right price, right aircraft).
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:30 am

Flight training is quite fast for 777 pilots I heard, a bit of commonality. Price and delivery slots also matters. Cargo is also an area were the 748 is good, I can imagine LH using that cargo space when the only fly 380 seats.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:36 am

TK sometimes needs a bigger aircraft on some EU routes than th 773 , so 748 would be usefull for them !
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:39 am

Also where else besides JFK is TK considering for their VLA? Would India be on their target, and if so, wouldn't the 748 make more sense?
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:07 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 21):
in fact, IST (Atatuerk Airport) at the moment is not even certified for A380/B748 ICAO category F size aircraft. Even en-route diversion due to emergency had been denied in the past. which underlines your last statement: nothing requiered (or able to operate) before 2015 earliest.

IIRC they can modify the set-up to accommodate 2-3 such aircraft, but that's still not enough to be feasible. And why spend the money when the hub is about to move.


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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 21):
Seen over the whole year NO, but during special seasonalities they are able to easily fill those planes. One of those is the hajj season, also during summer to Northamerica and again during summer to places like LON, AMS, FRA, etc. I would say that the Far East is very well served with the 77W (right size, right range, right price, right aircraft).

Looking at how they have been growing over the last few years; one should consider the capacity needs of 2015-2016. I wouldn't be surprised if TK would benefit from VLA's to JFK, NRT, BKK, HKG, LHR and PVG in 3-4 years time.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 25):
IIRC they can modify the set-up to accommodate 2-3 such aircraft, but that's still not enough to be feasible. And why spend the money when the hub is about to move.

They might be able to move cargo ops and general aviation (getting extra space) to the new airport by 2015? Plus, if they finally get to use the military part of IST that should provide some relief.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:51 am

Latest news, the tender for the new IST be done as early as this month, with 1st stage completion in 3 years for a 90mil pax capacity. For a final capacity of up to 120-150mil pax.. Wow!
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:58 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 27):

Latest news, the tender for the new IST be done as early as this month, with 1st stage completion in 3 years for a 90mil pax capacity. For a final capacity of up to 120-150mil pax.. Wow!


My main worry is whether the project will be able to realized through Build-Operate-Transfer (Yap-Islet-Devret) considering the problems in raising financing due to the global economic slowdown.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:48 pm

Quoting abba (Reply 19):
The 748i is no doubt the final and last incarnation of the legendary 747. To take this model - I would say - makes more sense for an airline that already has the 744 such as LH.

The A380-800 on the other hand is the first incarnation and will be followed by many more incarnations in the years to come. Sooner or later TK will need to take this model as well if they want to continue operating VLAs. So why not begin here?

Maybe because the 748i is the right aircraft for TK, right now?

Whether an aircraft type is in its first or last incarnation is irrelevant. Even if 748i is the final incarnation (that remains to be seen), it is nonetheless a brand new aircraft that will have a service life of 15-20 years - not too dissimilar to other widebody aircraft. If TK are to order the 747-8 to be delivered in 2013, chances are it'll still be flying in 2033 and beyond. Likewise, if they had ordered the A380, it'll have a similar service life, so whichever aircraft they pick, they'll be shopping for its replacement in around 20 years time. Makes no difference, really.

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Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:57 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 21):
in fact, IST (Atatuerk Airport) at the moment is not even certified for A380/B748 ICAO category F size aircraft. Even en-route diversion due to emergency had been denied in the past. which underlines your last statement: nothing requiered (or able to operate) before 2015 earliest.

Wouldn't that settle the question? It doesn't matter what they want, if they don't have an airport that will take them. No one is going to get a new airport operating by 2015 that will cater for them. If the process is in the very early stages that are indicated it is, then the first question would be, when will an airport be ready to take a 748 or A380. Once that is known with some certainty, and that time is not now, then the next step in process can be taken. In a few years time, the parameters of which aircraft is most suitable will probably have changed.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 27):
Latest news, the tender for the new IST be done as early as this month, with 1st stage completion in 3 years for a 90mil pax capacity. For a final capacity of up to 120-150mil pax.. Wow!

To get this sort of "delivery" I assume the contract will go to the Chinese 
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:24 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):
Maybe because the 748i is the right aircraft for TK, right now?

In my view it depends what payload/ range they need . If they need the maximum of both components they will go with the A380 . If they need something like 85% they will go with the 748.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:33 pm

If TK can't operate a VLA until IST is ready, and there is no firm schedule as to when IST will be ready, one wonders why TK is bothering with a VLA RFP right now.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:13 pm

I guess the schedule is being firmed up. But it would be really surprising to get a major airport done in three years. Just ordering all the materials and equipment alone would be challenging.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 27):
Latest news, the tender for the new IST be done as early as this month, with 1st stage completion in 3 years for a 90mil pax capacity. For a final capacity of up to 120-150mil pax.. Wow!

They have very impressive plans.

Quoting tcm (Reply 28):
My main worry is whether the project will be able to realized through Build-Operate-Transfer (Yap-Islet-Devret) considering the problems in raising financing due to the global economic slowdown.
Quoting ricknroll (Reply 30):
No one is going to get a new airport operating by 2015 that will cater for them. If the process is in the very early stages that are indicated it is, then the first question would be, when will an airport be ready to take a 748 or A380
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 31):
To get this sort of "delivery" I assume the contract will go to the Chinese
Quoting Stitch (Reply 33):

If TK can't operate a VLA until IST is ready, and there is no firm schedule as to when IST will be ready, one wonders why TK is bothering with a VLA RFP right now.
Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 34):
I guess the schedule is being firmed up. But it would be really surprising to get a major airport done in three years. Just ordering all the materials and equipment alone would be challenging.

The site is chosen and there is a reasonably firm schedule for the opening stages. But I share the caution/skepticism of the above posters, I think for them to pull it off would be an absolute construction marvel along the lines of HKG and I think they will be nearer to 2016 earliest. Being in a very active earthquake zone won't help and will add complexity to the design and construction.

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Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting abba (Reply 19):
I will be very surprised if an airline such as TK took 748i in as their very first VLA.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

Quoting abba (Reply 19):
The 748i is no doubt the final and last incarnation of the legendary 747. To take this model - I would say - makes more sense for an airline that already has the 744 such as LH.

Interesting. So are you also saying that airlines should stay away from the A320, A330 and B737 since they all are certainly in their last incarnation?
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):
Likewise, if they had ordered the A380, it'll have a similar service life, so whichever aircraft they pick, they'll be shopping for its replacement in around 20 years time. Makes no difference, really.

I certainly don't disagree. But if the replacement for their A380's in 15-20 years time could easily be a later version A380, whereas the 747 has by then might have come to a graceful end, it could make a difference in some cases (SQ for example pretty much said as much).

That said, I'm a great believer in the NPV argument for aircraft replacement, as I strongly believe it is the ultimate arbitrator for most airlines. In which case cost factors 20 years down the line are likely to be marginal influences in nearly all cases IMO  
Quoting Revelation (Reply 36):
So are you also saying that airlines should stay away from the A320, A330 and B737 since they all are certainly in their last incarnation?

In the case of the A330 I think we are indeed starting to see this, and for the same reasons.
It's a bit different in the case of the 737 vs A320, as both are in pretty much the same place - i.e. you're likely to be looking at an all-new replacement in 10 - 20 years time whichever you choose..

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Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 37):
That said, I'm a great believer in the NPV argument for aircraft replacement, as I strongly believe it is the ultimate arbitrator for most airlines.

While I support your NPV argument, I wonder how that applies to fleet expansion, rather than aircraft replacement? Would lost opportunity also find its way in NPV calculations? Just asking . . .

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:44 am

As the product always matures at the customer (example A380) never buy sth that has not been on the market for some years. So in 2020 the first fully developed A320s/B737s should be available. Till this date you should buy the fully developed traditional series. My 2 cents...
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:22 am

I think when we talk about the space on Ataturk airport when the VLA"s' specially 748s come,we should also think about 8 airbus 340s those will be retired
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 40):
I think when we talk about the space on Ataturk airport when the VLA"s' specially 748s come,we should also think about 8 airbus 340s those will be retired

The A343 is a Code E aircraft with a 60.3m wingspan. The 748i and A388 are Code F aircraft with 68.45m and 79.75m wingspans respectively.


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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):
Whether an aircraft type is in its first or last incarnation is irrelevant.



If it is TK's intention to give EK a run for its money - and if they succeed - they will need to add new VLAs from time to time in the future. And as I do not believe that the 748i will last that long and highly doubt that it will be followed by more incarnations (sure - this is my opinion and you have the right to dream) TK will need to switch type in the foreseeable future and well before their first purchase end its service life. And that might well be before they have reached a size where it makes sense for them to run two types of VLAs side by side.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):
Maybe because the 748i is the right aircraft for TK, right now?

That could very well be the case.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
They have very impressive plans.

Indeed they have. It will be interesting to see these plans evolve and seeing them realised.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 37):
ut if the replacement for their A380's in 15-20 years time could easily be a later version A380, whereas the 747 has by then might have come to a graceful end, it could make a difference in some cases (SQ for example pretty much said as much).

It could. But I have a feeling, and I have had this feeling for quite some time, that TK will go for the B748i. Especially the much earlier availability, and the lower price tag, are imho the main drivers for this. But I would be happy to be proven wrong on this one, though the B748i is also an excellent choice imho.  
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 43):
It could. But I have a feeling, and I have had this feeling for quite some time, that TK will go for the B748i. Especially the much earlier availability, and the lower price tag, are imho the main drivers for this. But I would be happy to be proven wrong on this one, though the B748i is also an excellent choice imho.  

I absolutely agree. The 747-8I seems to me the better fit right now for Turkish but I would not rule out an A380 order in a few years. But for the situation TK is right in right now and what Boeing has to offer with the 747-8I, the 747-8I is the right plane at the moment if they need a VLA.

Maybe they will even order a mix of 747-8Is and 747-8Fs ?
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RE: Turkish 747-8I Or A380?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 41):

Various code E airports approved for 748I operation because 748 is lower end of code F by size. However IST is very short for parking spots, especially for widebodies. According to rumours orders shaped 8 pax + 3 F; even 340 fleet leaves before 748 arrival, there will be enough trouble for ground handling.

But; If we consider about politics, Boeing order may delay or cancel due to some issues about Syria and northern Iraq, at best wait and see...
 
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RE: Turkish 747-8I Or A380?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:33 pm



Quoting MeCe (Reply 45):
According to rumours orders shaped 8 pax + 3 F

Well if TK wants a freighter larger than their A330-200Fs, Boeing is the only option, so I could see how being able to bundle a 747-8 and 747-8 freighter order could improve Boeing's RFP.


Quoting MeCe (Reply 45):
But; If we consider about politics, Boeing order may delay or cancel due to some issues about Syria and northern Iraq, at best wait and see...

Considering the EU and NATO position on this issue, politics should equally affect an A380 order. Ergo, I would expect that politics won't play a role.

[Edited 2012-08-05 14:35:46]
 
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RE: Turkish 747-8I Or A380?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting MeCe (Reply 45):
Various code E airports approved for 748I operation because 748 is lower end of code F by size. However IST is very short for parking spots, especially for widebodies.

Yes it's not so much the maneuvering for the 748, it's the parking. IIRC there are 2-3 stands which could be modified to accommodate a VLA, but that would displace 77Ws onto remote stands... when there are barely (if) any remote stands capable of holding a 77W.


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RE: Turkish 747-8I Or A380?

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:27 am

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I thought it's worth providing this information provided by Turkish350XWB and tcm in the Turkish Aviation forum here as well: http://ekonomi.haberturk.com/airport...6591-thy-buyuk-ucaklardan-vazgecti

Thanks Turkish350XWB and tcm for the information.
 
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RE: Turkish 747-8I Or A380?

Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 48):
I thought it's worth providing this information provided by Turkish350XWB and tcm in the Turkish Aviation forum

Sorry, I don't read Turkish and Google Translate doesn't do a very good job.

At best it seems to be saying that they are interested in the B787 and/or A350, but are concerned about the risks in both programs.
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