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SilkAir Signs LOI For Up To 68 737s

Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:06 am

Via their press release:

SilkAir, the regional wing of Singapore Airlines, has signed a letter of intent to purchase up to 68 new aircraft from Boeing.
The order is the largest in SilkAir’s history and remains subject to the negotiation of a final purchase agreement.

It will comprise firm orders for 54 aircraft and purchase rights for another 14.
Firm orders will comprise 23 Boeing 737-800s and 31 Boeing 737 MAX 8s.

SilkAir will have the flexibility to switch to other variants within the B737 product range. The firm-ordered aircraft are valued at US$4.9 billion based on current Boeing list prices. Deliveries are due to begin in 2014 and continue to 2021, by which time the Airline’s fleet will have more than doubled in size. SilkAir currently operates 21 A319s and A320s, with three more A320s due for delivery by the end of 2013. The new aircraft will cater for both growth and fleet renewal.

http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.n...8NewBoeingAircraft.pdf?openelement
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:39 am

That's a very big surprise. I've heard rumors about it already last year, but I didn't really believe it was serious. Must be the first operator to switch from A319/A320 to 737MAX (UA's 737MAX order is to replace 757's as I see it).
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:41 am

Wow! Boeing coupe with an all Airbus carrier! Congratulations to both SilkAir and Boeing.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:48 am

Normally it is Airbus snatching all Boeing carriers.

Oh well I guess the tides have turned..: I wonder if Singapore Airlines got a major discount for the 787 delays.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:48 am

Very surprising. Perhaps SQ's way of keeping Airbus and Boeing on a fair leg.

At one point Silkair was the only part of SQ to have an Airbus fleet however that has changed since with 345, 380, 330 and 350 orders, versus 77W and 787-9 orders.

Beyond that, I wonder if it was delivery availability or price that influenced MI's (SQ's) decision.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:52 am

Wow - massive win for Boeing, and I bet MI/ SQ are very pleased with the deal as well. It's not trivial to switch operators, so I presume MI/ SQ either felt the planes were much better, or they got a sweet deal (or both). Good for both parties involved!
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:59 am

We can only speculate what influenced Silk's decision to go with the 738NG/738MAX. The fact that the Boeing is a derivative of a 1960's model does not at all negate the improvements and new parts that Boeing has made. And those improvements keep on comming. So despite its extra width and fly-by-wire feature with the Airbus, the Boeing is pretty impressive too. Other airlines that have flown both models have gone back to Boeing. Aside from United and Delta, which may not be apt comparisons, Air Berlin comes to mind.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:00 am

Didn't SilkAir just switch from the 737 Classic to the A320 family?

Anyhow, great win for Boeing! Congrats to all involved with the deal.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:21 am

Great win for Boeing, and quite a surprise too. I guess they're taking a leaf from their rival's book? Congrats to Boeing and SilkAir..  
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 2):
Wow! Boeing coupe with an all Airbus carrier! Congratulations to both SilkAir and Boeing.

Silkair is Singapore Airlines so I'm not sure how this is viewed as such a coupe.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 3):
Oh well I guess the tides have turned..: I wonder if Singapore Airlines got a major discount for the 787 delays.

Maybe, maybe not. But I think the lack of available slots for the A320 any time soon, probably had more to do with it. The 787 orders pretty much dried up a couple of years ago for the same reason. At the end of the day, A320/737 they are pretty much equal. It comes down to availability and price.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:51 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Didn't SilkAir just switch from the 737 Classic to the A320 family?

Yea, I was thinking the same thing 737 classic to Airbus to 737ng to 737 max!

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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:57 am

I think Singapore Airlines are opportunistic like Virgin Atlantic are... They go for whatever manufacturer can give them the best deal so play them off against each other until they achieve that.

Not much manufacturer loyality in the Straits  
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:15 pm

Might be a silly thing for me to mention, but could it also be that enough time has passed since the MI crash (which was a 737) to go back to the same family of aircraft?? Cant remember when they transitioned to the A320 family from the 737's...

Not looking to open a massive can of worms, just a thought I had...
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting johruk (Reply 12):
Might be a silly thing for me to mention, but could it also be that enough time has passed since the MI crash (which was a 737) to go back to the same family of aircraft?? Cant remember when they transitioned to the A320 family from the 737's...

Not looking to open a massive can of worms, just a thought I had...

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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Didn't SilkAir just switch from the 737 Classic to the A320 family?

They started out with 737-300s before switching to A320/319.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 3):
Normally it is Airbus snatching all Boeing carriers

To put things into perspective, Boeing had a big headstart over Airbus in terms of product line. Up to 1992 Airbus only had the A300, A310 and relative newcomer A320. By then Boeing had the 737, and world beaters of their generation like 747-400, 757 and 767, and so dominated Airbus.

So, back then, many of the orders A received would be seen as A snatching B's customers. I guess now that A had caught up with B, it's come full circle, and we'll start seeing B snatching A's customers.

But for now, yes, it's rare indeed, B snatching A's orders!
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:23 pm

People have questioned why an airline would go from Boeing to Airbus and back to Boeing in a fairly short period of time and it was just a thought....knowing how superstition plays it part in parts of Asia the thought just crossed my mind! I have seen a few odd responses on here!

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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:30 pm

That was a socko of an order. A huge surprise. When I first read the headline of "SilkAir orders new Boeing planes for US$4.9b" on CNA, my first thought was SilkAir extending further afield with the Dreamliner. The 737 was lightyears away from my mind. Never thought they would go back to the bestselling jetliner of all time.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 1):
Must be the first operator to switch from A319/A320 to 737MAX (UA's 737MAX order is to replace 757's as I see it).

UA is another carrier that ordered Boeing narrowbodies over Airbus.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:50 pm

Actually they started out with the MD-87 under the TradeWinds name...
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
UA is another carrier that ordered Boeing narrowbodies over Airbus.

UA already had a large 737NG fleet (larger than their A32X fleet) through their merger with CO though. The list of airlines who were pure A320 operators that decided to switch over to the 737 is very short.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 19):
The list of airlines who were pure A320 operators that decided to switch over to the 737 is very short.

How short? Besides SilkAir, which other airliner which currently operates 3-3 single aisle jets has jumped ship from solely A320?
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:08 pm

Great to see expansion from Silk Air. There's more than just Lion Air and Air Asia's wild expansion plans.

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Didn't SilkAir just switch from the 737 Classic to the A320 family?

It went MD-87 to 737 Classic, to A320, to 737 MAX. That shows an airline without strict manufacturer loyalty to me!

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 2):
Wow! Boeing coupe with an all Airbus carrier! Congratulations to both SilkAir and Boeing.

Silkair is Singapore Airlines so I'm not sure how this is viewed as such a coupe.

Silk Air is familiar with Boeing aircraft and are a part of Singapore Airlines, so it is not a complete shock. However replacing A320s with 737 MAX is still significant to me.

What this helps signal is that it appears that relative parity is likely to remain in the narrowbody market. The ideal airplane choice is up to the unique operating environment and conditions of purchase at each individual airline.

Both Boeing and Airbus marketing want to imply that their airplane is better. I’ve seen quite a bit of advertising indicating that Airbus believes it is going to get more efficiency improvement out of the A320 NEO compared to the baseline A320 than Boeing will get out of the 737 MAX compared to the 737NG. However I personally am very cautious to fully trust marketing claims. Some will say the order was won on price and availability, which I have no doubt were factors. Boeing has a higher margin on their commercial airplanes than Airbus when looking at corporate profitability, but it is hard to know the differences between the A320 and 737.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 11):
I think Singapore Airlines are opportunistic like Virgin Atlantic are... They go for whatever manufacturer can give them the best deal so play them off against each other until they achieve that.

Not much manufacturer loyality in the Straits

I tend to agree. Silk Air and Singapore Airlines are relatively neutral in the A vs B war and will go with whatever product fits into their strategy at the time. I do wonder sometimes about their strategy as I still can’t understand the logic behind replacing 777-200As with A330s with 787-9s on order. The 777-200A and A330 were competing side by side in the 1990s when SQ chose the 777, while they operated the A340.

Quoting johruk (Reply 12):
Might be a silly thing for me to mention, but could it also be that enough time has passed since the MI crash (which was a 737) to go back to the same family of aircraft?? Cant remember when they transitioned to the A320 family from the 737's...

Emotions are always factors, but I would like to think that there is more animosity between the Indonesian NTSC and the US NTSB for publishing contradicting reports (NTSC indicated that cause was unknown and left questions about the 737 rudder to interpretation, which the NTSB blamed the pilot in what looked like a suicide attempt). I really doubt that it had any impact on ordering Boeing airplanes because Silk Air and the Indonesian Aviation Authority did not have problems with Boeing, but rather, the NTSB.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:12 pm

Quoting johruk (Reply 12):
but could it also be that enough time has passed since the MI crash (which was a 737) to go back to the same family of aircraft??
Quoting glideslope (Reply 13):
Odd comment there Mate?

Very interesting point. SQ is rather superstitious - after all, it still hasn't had an aircraft in something like it's old tropical paint scheme since that aircraft went down...
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting neutrino (Reply 20):
How short? Besides SilkAir, which other airliner which currently operates 3-3 single aisle jets has jumped ship from solely A320?

Honestly I cannot think of another airline. Virgin Nigeria did briefly have a couple of (used) A320s before going to (used) 737 classics, but I have a feeling that is more due to financial issues than anything else. I just said very short list as oppose to only airline to do so to cover my bases in case someone drags out some small obscure airline that switched from A320s to 737NGs
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 5):
It's not trivial to switch operators, so I presume MI/ SQ either felt the planes were much better, or they got a sweet deal (or both). Good for both parties involved!
Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Didn't SilkAir just switch from the 737 Classic to the A320 family?

Would you not consider these two competing A/C in all their variants to be the most similar to each other in the market? Is there any rhyme or reason for an airline to change it's fleet choice from one to the other, other than pricing? And when a very large airline buys hundreds of each, isn't that also playing both manufacturers to compete primarily on price, rather than considering of any kind of performance differentiation?

We hear about commonality and other criteria being factors, but then this sort of announcement (which can cut both ways, as we know) often catches many of you enthusiasts (who know more than I) off guard.

Changing an A/C type in a large fleet is expensive. What is the motivation besides price?
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:53 pm

Good day for the 737 - this order from MI, and then another 40 from China. We know the 737 has already passed the 10k mark (thanks to United), so it's gradually closing down the distance to the DC3, to make it the best selling aircraft of all time.

Is there any way we can establish an accurate counter to mark the closing of this gap?
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 23):

Honestly I cannot think of another airline. Virgin Nigeria did briefly have a couple of (used) A320s before going to (used) 737 classics, but I have a feeling that is more due to financial issues than anything else. I just said very short list as oppose to only airline to do so to cover my bases in case someone drags out some small obscure airline that switched from A320s to 737NGs

Haha, I got your point. Anyway, you are technically right as even just one airline can also fall under your "very short list"...a list of one. 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:31 pm

Crikey, didn't see this coming. I was convinced the NEO would get this order.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):

Silkair is Singapore Airlines so I'm not sure how this is viewed as such a coupe.

They were an Airbus-only airline, regardless of their ownership. You can spin it anyway you want, but my impression of the reaction to this story by Industry watchers is that this was a coup, plain and simple.
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 21):
...which the NTSB blamed the pilot in what looked like a suicide attempt.


How I wish this suicide nonsense can be laid to rest (not directing at you, Rose).
Its being repeated ad nauseum even after almost 15 years.
Extremely improbable in my informed opinion.
I mean it as an ex-colleague who used to trade views at monthly beer drinking parties. Though we had never been buddies, we had worked together as a team for years. Its just not in his psyche to kill himself let alone dragging along 103 other lives with him. He was not just an ordinary fighter pilot at that time but also a highly skilled and respected PAI or Pilot Attack Instructor. Such a dignified warrior could not possibly have innocent blood on his hands knowingly and purposely. I attended his funeral (sans body) and talked to his family, his then current co-workers and of course those of his and my former colleagues who were present. All those misrepresentations about his financial state of affairs, sigh! But I shall not bore you all with the details. Suffice to say this:
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting glideslope (Reply 13):
Odd comment there Mate? Let's focus on the Olympics if we are going that far off topic.

It's not that off topic. IIRC, SIA and Boeing were stuck in a blame game for the crash. To this day there is still no official root cause. Immediately after the crash SIA decides to replace the 737 fleet with A320's. Humm...coincidence?
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:00 pm

ANA was an Airbus narrowbody customer that switched to the Boeing family.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:28 pm

South African has gone back and forth between A32x and B73x (both jurassic and NG).
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 28):
They were an Airbus-only airline, regardless of their ownership. You can spin it anyway you want, but my impression of the reaction to this story by Industry watchers is that this was a coup, plain and simple.

And now Airbus is whining about Boeings 'aggressive pricing'.   
Gues what? This is a competitive business.    John Leahy and company have used the same tactics before to win a customer they wanted to break Boeing's monopoly on. Turnabout is fair play.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 31):
ANA was an Airbus narrowbody customer that switched to the Boeing family.

Having been a 737 operator before the A320s.
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:27 pm

Shortly after the crash of the B737-300, there was a remark attributed to someone in Boeing indicating that the aircraft was "recently serviced by SIA Engineering Company", a remark that was not taken kindly by most at Singapore Airlines, the parent of both SilkAir and SIA Engineering Company. It was therefore no surprise that SilkAir became an Airbus operator.

With this acquisition, I personally believe SilkAir evaluated and saw the opportunity to roll over its fleet with an aircraft that best suited its operation. Perhaps ... just perhaps, the fact that the A320 has become the workhorse of the low cost carriers (LCCs) and SilkAir is motivated to move away from being mistaken as an LCC, which it is not.

There are many facets to this acquisition that many of us will not be privy to, and this is just my personal reading.

Boeing's pictures of the B737-800 and B737 Max 8 in SilkAir colours do seem to reflect the former livery ... with the lighter shade of blue and the shorter wing of the bird logo. The title on both pictures do not seem consistent too ... a little sloppy perhaps.

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Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 11):
I think Singapore Airlines are opportunistic like Virgin Atlantic are... They go for whatever manufacturer can give them the best deal so play them off against each other until they achieve that.

Sounds like a very smart company. Keep the competing OEM's on their toes.   
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:04 am

For me this is a shocker. I think they are looking for the longer range flights into smaller Chinese ports and India. The 738 I think will help with the range until the MAX. But it is still a 737. Even the MH 738's with the new interiors are cramped on some of the longer legs that MH run. I find the overheads to have less space than the bus so many people have bags under seats and legs in aisles. I was hoping MI would put some IFE in the busses and make the longer journeys more acceptable.

Well done to Boeing, I did not see this one coming.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 30):
Immediately after the crash SIA decides to replace the 737 fleet with A320's. Humm...coincidence?

From memory, don't have my flight log, MI were operating a mixed fleet of A312, F-70 and 733. They were looking for standardizing on one family before the crash.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 24):
Would you not consider these two competing A/C in all their variants to be the most similar to each other in the market? Is there any rhyme or reason for an airline to change it's fleet choice from one to the other, other than pricing? And when a very large airline buys hundreds of each, isn't that also playing both manufacturers to compete primarily on price, rather than considering of any kind of performance differentiation?

When an airline buys airplanes I imagine it's not a cut and dry situation where you buy one because it's either cheaper or more economical. Everything is considered, and it depends on the airline doing the considering. DL might want to cut costs up front and care less about future incurred costs while another airline will pay more up front and spend less in the future.

Of course, then you get to airlines like pmCO..

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 24):
We hear about commonality and other criteria being factors, but then this sort of announcement (which can cut both ways, as we know) often catches many of you enthusiasts (who know more than I) off guard.

I think the commonality "issue" is far overblown. Pricing (hey, fleet commonality is part of costs, too!) is what it all comes down to. An airline will buy what is cheapest and/or best for them in the long run.

Quoting turn720 (Reply 36):
Sounds like a very smart company.

Smart? More like not-dumb!   
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 28):
They were an Airbus-only airline, regardless of their ownership. You can spin it anyway you want, but my impression of the reaction to this story by Industry watchers is that this was a coup, plain and simple.

I would discribe is as a surprise, maybe. AA buying Airbus was a coup. Singapore Airlines has no loyalty towards either Boeing or Airbus. Over their existence they have operated just about every type of aircraft from both manufactures. IIRC, the only types never to be operated by SIA were the B717, B767, and A300. They have shown over and over again that manufacturer loyalty has no place in their business plan.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:23 pm

A lot of Silkair routes are quite short, under 3 hours - does this reflect that 737 economics are better than 320 for predominantly shorter flights?

They will operate a mixed fleet for some time as all their A32xs ordered have not yet been delivered. In fact they may well simultaneously operate 320, 737NG, 737MAX.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:05 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 40):
A lot of Silkair routes are quite short, under 3 hours - does this reflect that 737 economics are better than 320 for predominantly shorter flights?.

there are certainly some people who believe that and for that matter think the A320s LEAP engine also is better suited for longer flights than the 737MAXs.
 
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:09 pm

SQ operated the A300 from the early 80s - early 90s. They operated the A300B4 variant..
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:25 pm

Too short of time to read all replies, but just my thoughts:

Silkair now has, what, some 20 to 25 A320 family aircraft? Going to 68 B737's looks very large. Looks as if SQ will relocate quite some regional destinations to MI. Say KUL, JKT, MNL, BKK, and lots of others... could easily be replaced by shourt haul equipment, operated by MI.

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RE: SilkAir Signs LOI For Up To 68 737s

Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 40):
They will operate a mixed fleet for some time as all their A32xs ordered have not yet been delivered. In fact they may well simultaneously operate 320, 737NG, 737MAX.

AA goes one better. From 2017 it can be highly expected to be operating 737NG, A320, 737MAX & A320NEO at the same time for some years...
OTOH, SilkAir might have phased out all the A320s by the time the MAX begin to enter service.
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RE: SilkAir Signs LOI For Up To 68 737s

Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 43):

Silkair now has, what, some 20 to 25 A320 family aircraft? Going to 68 B737's looks very large. Looks as if SQ will relocate quite some regional destinations to MI. Say KUL, JKT, MNL, BKK, and lots of others... could easily be replaced by shourt haul equipment, operated by MI.

More likely MI will operate flights alongside SQ to some cities but not the complete withdrawal of SQ-operated flights. They are already doing it now to some cities in India, Vietnam and KUL. SIA sees that some cities warrant a capacity increase but double daily 772 or 333 flights prove too much. So they introduce a second daily flight through MI instead.

CGK is a cash cow for SIA and it is the only city in SEA that still sees SIA First Class service, very unlikely SIA will completely hand over all flights to MI.
 
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RE: SilkAir Signs LOI For Up To 68 737s

Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 39):
AA buying Airbus was a coup

Sorry to briefly go off topic, but to be fair to both AA and Airbus, IIRC that order still hasn't been confirmed by the bankruptcy court and is not officially in the order books...yet. There is no guarantee that this order is rock solid, although I personally see no reason it won't eventually happen. But you never know. AA's 737MAX order was approved by the bankruptcy court.



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RE: SilkAir Signs LOI For Up To 68 737s

Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 43):
Silkair now has, what, some 20 to 25 A320 family aircraft? Going to 68 B737's looks very large.

I wonder if MI intends to operate all of these aircraft on order at the same time (most probably it does), but either way they are in for some expansion.
 
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RE: SilkAir Signs LOI For Up To 68 737s

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting 9V-SVA (Reply 42):
SQ operated the A300 from the early 80s - early 90s. They operated the A300B4 variant..

Actually SQ operated the A300 until about 84-85. They were phased out pretty quickly with the arrival of the A310s.
 
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RE: SilkAir Signs LOI For Up To 68 737s

Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:22 am

I wonder if the relationship Silkair (Singapore Airlines) has with Virgin Australia influenced this decision. A common fleet, product and pilot pool might be beneficial in allowing the two entities to develop a joint Pan Asian strategy similar to what QF are trying to achieve with Jetstar and Red Q.

Just thinking left field.

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