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IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:50 pm

On a facebook post Iberia Airlines answered that they will finally start flying the A330 in January 2013........and the biggest news is that they will officialy introduce PTV's in all clases!!!  


https://www.facebook.com/iberia/posts/445652035468103?ref=notif&notif_t=share_reply


"Iberia Líneas Aéreas:, a partir del próximo mes de enero recibiremos los nuevos aviones Airbus A330 que llevan entretenimiento individual, y progresivamente lo iremos incorporando en los demás aviones de largo radio. Un saludo."

Translation: from january 2013 we will be receiving new A330 which will have personal entertainment systems, and lateron we will introduce it on the rest of the longhaul fleet
 
Summa767
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:02 pm

This is very good news!

It had been announced that the A330s would come in 2013, but it's good to know that it's as early as January! That is barely 6 months away..

These airplanes will bring in some efficiencies to Iberia, that I hope will translate into some growth in the long haul routes. Given the economic circumstances, such growth will have to be shy to start off with. there will be redundancies in IB, but I would bet that it's more on the short haul operation that is being increasingly done by with Iberia Express - and not in the long haul-.
The ptvs come a litte bit late, but are nonetheless a welcome addition to the product offering.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:31 am

What routes will they be flying?
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:46 pm

And what type of engines ? RR ?
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 3):

GE, if I'm not mistaken!


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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
What routes will they be flying?

My bet is US East Coast (BOS and JFK) and Africa, at least to start with.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting Talaier (Reply 5):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
What routes will they be flying?

My bet is US East Coast (BOS and JFK) and Africa, at least to start with.

Before they have the ETOPS certification, I think we will see them in Canarias and TLV, and maybe Africa.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:42 am

These aircraft cannot arrive soon enough, they will be a big efficiency boost to IB, particularly to North Atlantic routes. Unfortunately, the plan was to replace A343's one for one, without any fleet growth. I hope IB changes its mind at some point and keeps a few A343's around to open new routes, their current long-haul fleet is stretched enough as it is.

Quoting raggi (Reply 4):
GE, if I'm not mistaken!

IIRC, IB Maintenance already has a lot of MRO experience with GE engines, so it would make sense.

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):

Before they have the ETOPS certification, I think we will see them in Canarias and TLV, and maybe Africa.

Didn't think about that one, indeed IB hasn't had any ETOPS since the 767's, I believe.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:35 pm

They have 8 firm orders, any info. on whether or not they've exercised the additional 8 options? IB's got 19 A340-300's to replace..

It's interesting because the A330-300 will be seating 277 pax, 23 more than the A340-300. Seems like the A332 would be a better per-frame replacement based on that..

Quoting raggi (Reply 4):
GE, if I'm not mistaken!

Yep, confirmed at time of order.

Source: http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...0-300s-selects-ge-cf6-engines-0726
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:47 pm

Great news and is it official and known by now that IB will introduce a new livery as well with the introduction of these A333's?

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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 8):
They have 8 firm orders, any info. on whether or not they've exercised the additional 8 options? IB's got 19 A340-300's to replace..

No confirmation on the options but IMO it is only a matter of time before they are firmed, once the first 8 start coming in. But yes, that still leaves a gap of 3 aircraft... maybe they could get a few leases on top to bridge the gap between the last A343's and the first new widebody that IB would eventually receive at some point. Anyone know the delivery schedule for A333's and retirement schedule for A343's?'s?

P.S. I still find a pity that they haven't gotten any A332's in addition, to open up thinner deep South America routes.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 10):
Quoting ghifty (Reply 8):
They have 8 firm orders, any info. on whether or not they've exercised the additional 8 options? IB's got 19 A340-300's to replace..

No confirmation on the options but IMO it is only a matter of time before they are firmed, once the first 8 start coming in. But yes, that still leaves a gap of 3 aircraft...

Not gap anymore.

As if they had plenty of aircraft, Iberia is already retiring their A343s well before the arrival of the 333s.

Not too long ago, Iberia used to operate 21 A343s.

EC-GQK and EC-HQF were retired a couple years ago and are now flying with South African Airways (ZS-SXG and ZS-SXH).

3 additional frames have been retired this year, so there are only 16 active A340-300 in Iberia's fleet right now. The aircraft that are now stored are EC-HDQ, EC-HGU and EC-HGX.

If they finally decide to take the 8 options then we can talk about a one-to-one replacement. However, this means no growth at all.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 7):
their current long-haul fleet is stretched enough as it is.

Well it's actually smaller than it was only a few months ago as you can see... This is just crazy.
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 11):
Well it's actually smaller than it was only a few months ago as you can see... This is just crazy

Sure, but I think that IB could manage to have additional capacity once the A333s start coming in, i,e, by not retiring the A343s one to one from then on. OK, you could say that it would just mean "recovering" lost capacity, but that would still allow some growth. The most logical outcome of IB current review in light of its large losses is that more of the the short and medium haul flying is transferred to Iberia Express which is turning out to be very efficient, and whereas some jobs will be lost in the mainline, some others can be transferred for long haul flying.

OK, IB will probably won't go back to doing the likes of BCN-MIA, which is more logical at the hands of AA, and it should perhaps AA can also do BOS, but It can explore a few more destinations within its core market that is Latin America for now. There will be potential for other adventures in the future, but I would guess that will have to wait until the storm is well clear, and second, until the next generation of aircraft that BA and IB will order together.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting summa767 (Reply 12):
I think that IB could manage to have additional capacity once the A333s start coming in, i,e, by not retiring the A343s one to one from then on.

That would be the most sensible thing to do if the load factors remain high, but with their current management you never know.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 12):
IB will probably won't go back to doing the likes of BCN-MIA

Of course they won't. Moreover, they are stopping BCN-GRU in November.
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
That would be the most sensible thing to do if the load factors remain high, but with their current management you never know

In the light of the deep crisis, high oil prices and structural disadvantages, management had no option but to cut capacity by returning some airplanes, and ditch long haul loss making routes. If they had not, Iberia would be facing even higher losses now. Any growth in the long haul will have to be modest and targeted, but there are certainly opportunities as Latin America attracts more trade. IB is in place to benefit if it can do so efficiently: the A330s will sure help.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:44 pm

Are they getting the ex BD airframes?.
 
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RE: IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 15):
Are they getting the ex BD airframes?.

Nope. They're getting brand new aircraft only.
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