psumd80
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Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:24 pm

Hey all! I'm in State College (SCE/KUNV) and we used to get the Colgan Saabs from IAD, now we're getting Commutair Q200's, since Colgan dumped the Saabs. I'm just wondering, who is picking up the Saabs or are they going away for good? I hardly see any on FlightAware anymore. I miss them, they were a nice change from the CRJ's and Dash 8's.
 
spiritair97
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:26 pm

I think they are getting slowly phase out, but they are still in service or now. I know that IAD-HPN is operated by saabs.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:16 pm

Pinnacle owns Colgan and filed chapt 11 and I heard subsequently stated no more turboprops. Seen some colgan ferries to CWA over last couple months. Silver is at IAD with their ex Mesaba saabs and started up Aug 1 with some of the Colgan runs.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:20 pm

The Saabs officially left the UAX fleet after operations on 7/31. Not sure what 9L is doing with the A/C though.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Pretty sure one is still somewhere at CRW, broken.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:59 pm

They're hopefully in a dumpster behind IAH.

[Edited 2012-08-03 10:59:27]
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:31 pm

A few weeks ago there were 13 in CWA and 3 or 4 sitting in SGF.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:18 pm

Quoting Sulley (Reply 5):
They're hopefully in a dumpster behind IAH.

  

Don't wish that on IAH, please!  
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psumd80
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:33 pm

Haha wow no love for the Saabs here I guess! Any chance another regional may pick up the ones that are parked, or is their time up? I'll definitely miss this scheme:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Colga...d=a648b3496e7e774e3636857f601c226d

Also, no more turboprops for Colgan/Pinnacle? Does that mean the Q400's are going too?
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:53 pm

This is olny a rumor, but I spoke to a Captain at Sea Port airlines yesterday, and he was saying they are looking to expand with 30 passenger planes soon. He added that the SAAB's were cheap and readily available. He was not sure where they would fly them. I have no facts to back this up, it's only what I heard from the Sea Port pilot, and have not seen anything from them about hiring F/A's.
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting psumd80 (Reply 8):

RP picked up the Q4s.

See:

First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1 (by ChicagoJetSet Jul 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:47 pm

United replaced Colgan Saabs at IAD with Commutair DHC-8-200s. So most of the Saab 340 stations should see now DHC-8.
Also, few EAS flights are run with Silver Airways aka Gulfstream Intl Saab 340s out of IAD.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:50 pm

I see they cut IAD-HPN all together. Was it performing poorly?
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:45 am

Silver Airways is supposed to be adding a bunch of Saabs to the fleet. I believe its going to be a total of 24 so I would assume most are going to them. Last I heard they only had 6 and were adding them every few months.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:06 am

They are adding ex-Mesaba Saabs.

You can see on the latest Airways Magazine update that recently the got bunch of them.

08/04/2012 Silver SAAB 340B N402XJ 340B-402 LF Fairbrook Leasing 7/27/12
08/04/2012 Silver SAAB 340B N414XJ 340B-414 LF Fairbrook Leasing 7/27/12
08/04/2012 Silver SAAB 340B N418XJ 340B-418 LF Fairbrook Leasing 7/27/12
08/04/2012 Silver SAAB 340B N420XJ 340B-420 LF Fairbrook Leasing 7/27/12
07/21/2012 Silver SAAB 340B N434XJ 340B-434 BF Lambert Leasing 7/16/12
08/04/2012 Silver SAAB 340B N447XJ 340B-447 BF Lambert Leasing 7/30/12

http://www.airwaysmag.com/att.html?type=view&article_id=145&junk=.pdf
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:20 am

Yeah I noticed that Silver was picking up some routes and Commutair the rest, but what routes are those Commutair Dash 8's coming from? Are they cutting back some of the Cleveland ones? Thanks re the Q400s, good to hear they got picked up. Also, interesting about SeaPort, although like you said I would have no idea how they would use those.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting psumd80 (Reply 8):
Also, no more turboprops for Colgan/Pinnacle? Does that mean the Q400's are going too?

The Colgan draw down was expedited very recently by the request of UA to end the remainder of the flying early. The Colgan name will be no more...what a waste of time and money on Pinnacle's part. They buy Colgan then turn around and buy Mesaba from DL only for both operators to dissapear and Pinnacle to be left with NO a/c that belong to them. The Q400s (all Pinnacle owned) have been returned to Royal Canadian then subsequently to RP. The 16 ATL based CR9s (all Pinnacle owned) is following the same fate and are going to EV and OO. Only thing that will be left after March are 140 CR2s (DL holds the lease on every last one) and 41 CR9s (DL owns every last one...).

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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 6):

I just flew to CWA yesterday and not surprisingly they're all still there. My captain and I were a bit surprised to see a Mesaba maintenance hangar at CWA.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:52 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
The Colgan draw down was expedited very recently by the request of UA to end the remainder of the flying early. The Colgan name will be no more...what a waste of time and money on Pinnacle's part

Yeah, what a waste indeed! Colgan had quite a few Saabs, how did UA make up the lost capacity in such a short time?
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting psumd80 (Reply 18):
Yeah, what a waste indeed! Colgan had quite a few Saabs, how did UA make up the lost capacity in such a short time?

Just looking at a route I know pretty well, MGW-IAD, they put Silver (Gulfstream Airlines) on it, and cut frequencies.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:26 pm

yup...there are no more saabs at the colgan barn at IAD...
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
The Colgan draw down was expedited very recently by the request of UA to end the remainder of the flying early. The Colgan name will be no more...what a waste of time and money on Pinnacle's part

It was actually a mutual request because Colgan was bleeding crews so quickly they were unable to crew their future schedules.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 17):
My captain and I were a bit surprised to see a Mesaba maintenance hangar at CWA.

Then you'd be really surprised to know that hanger has been there since the XJ crew base was there as well.....
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:16 pm

We used to get Colgans 340's from BDL. I heard that it was mostly a Xerox shuttle . I especially liked the 'flag' paint schemed one. We also used to get XJ -340's from DTW.
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 22):
Then you'd be really surprised to know that hanger has been there since the XJ crew base was there as well.....

Hanger is in the closet. Hangar is at the airport.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:03 am

Quoting psumd80 (Reply 18):
how did UA make up the lost capacity in such a short time?

The 135s returned from the desert. At least in IAH. I miss the Q's. They were fun, fast, sporty little propeller planes. I loved flying them between Houston and Dallas.
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:53 am

My first time on a Q400 was RDU-EWR in 2010. I see the route is now a mix of Qs, 145s and 170s.
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:19 am

The AOO and JST rotation see them from IAD. So there are a few in the Central/South PA area still.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting womenbeshoppin (Reply 27):
The AOO and JST rotation see them from IAD. So there are a few in the Central/South PA area still.

Yeah I did notice that, glad to see a few are still hanging around. I think the ones on that route are ex-Mesaba.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 25):
The 135s returned from the desert.

Ah ok, that explains it. Weird though, I would have thought that the Saabs would be cheaper to operate given that both the 135's and the Saabs have 37 seats. What do I know, I guess. Or is it more due to people's aversion to turboprops?

[Edited 2012-08-07 07:50:41]
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:25 pm

It would be nice to see whatever Saabs UA/Express uses to serve LNS. That airport has been without air service since Cape Air left. It has a nice little terminal with free parking, on-site car rental and a really nice Italian restaurant! LNS used to have USAirways service for years before pulling out and being replaced by Cape Air. The airport may have to secure EAS funding, which ran out causing US and Cape Air to pull out. Otherwise, Saab service with UA at LNS would be very viable if marketed properly. Perhaps LNS-IAD or LNS-EWR will open up.
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting psumd80 (Reply 28):
What do I know, I guess. Or is it more due to people's aversion to turboprops?

It's because UA owns the 135's. Colgan was operating the Saab routes "at risk" aka Prorate. UA just picked up some of the markets with the 135's etc where they felt it was warranted.
 
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RE: Where Are The Colgan Saabs?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:13 pm

I saw this yesterday at IAD as I was connecting, down in the lower A area.

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