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Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:03 pm

ORD-HEL/FCO, are these two seasonal routes being dropped for 2013? The reason I ask these 2 routes are not showing resume dates for 2013 unlike ORD-DUB, BOS-CDG, and JFK-FCO. Could it be that AA has just not determined a firm restart date for these routes?
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:45 pm

I don't think anything is set in stone, but thats not a good sign. DUB is in the schedule for 2013, and FCO and HEL are not, as of now.

They fill up well, loads wise. I would think FCO would be solid after UA stopped their seasonal service. My impression of HEL is very low yielding though. Connections on this flight are frequently the lowest priced options over the Atlantic and there have been plenty of fare sales and promotions to fill the J cabin.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):
They fill up well, loads wise. I would think FCO would be solid after UA stopped their seasonal service. My impression of HEL is very low yielding though. Connections on this flight are frequently the lowest priced options over the Atlantic and there have been plenty of fare sales and promotions to fill the J cabin.

This route to HEL is covered by Finnair, who I believe is still in Oneworld. I expect this is also due to the economy in Europe right now.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 2):
This route to HEL is covered by Finnair, who I believe is still in Oneworld. I expect this is also due to the economy in Europe right now.

Finnair doesn't fly to Chicago. Or did I entirely miss a service announcement?
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:46 pm

I really hope that ORD-HEL route will return next year, because Finnair won't start a new route to the USA. I thought AA had good loads on their ORD-HEL route, but somebody wise taught me a long time ago "don't imagine, you need to know"
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:47 pm

Loads would not be the problem, but thats not the whole story. It's a pretty packed summer on anything across the Atlantic.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:42 pm

I know HEL and FCO have both been full of revenue pax this summer. I'm positive they'll come back but, like this year, I don't think AA knows when they'll resume. I think they're dependent on getting seasonal 767 lift from South American seasonal equipment movements/upguages, they'll probably need to figure out that schedule before shifting those 767s back up to ORD.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:51 am

They're running over 200 pax per flight on HEL, close to that on FCO. I could take a look over the last 60 days to see a daily average. It goes back to what are the yields?

What I would find interesting would be the fact if AA did drop FCO and UA currently doesn't operate any non stops to Italy. AZ and Sky Team would be the dominant and only carrier that would fly to Italy nonstop year around from ORD.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:35 am

AZ has been seasonal out of ORD for a year or so....
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:37 am

When AA was flying to CHI-ROM when it first came out it was seasonal like GLA and some of the other routes mentioned. Then when AA stopped flying to MIL they made ROM year-round. Now, I am not sure if they're back in MIL or not. I have to say that if AA drops ROM and HEL, they're really pissing away EU. They dropped CHI-FRA (I know it's so heavily *A), CHI-DUS, CHI-MUC, JFK-HAM, CHI-BHX, ORD-BUD, JFK-LYS, ORD-ARN, RDU/DAL-LGW, BOS-SNN, BNA-LGW, RDU-PAR... I really miss the AA of old. I know they're going thru their bankruptcy, but they cannot run a supportive international route structure to the EU if they only fly to a handful of cities and a dozen code-shares. AA has SO missed the boat on so many great routes KWI, DXB, ATH, IST, DKR, JNB, CPT, ADD. They could pay the ransom to Israel from TW era and start a lucrative TLV-MIA/TLV-CHI or DAL. They could even even get into Baghdad as tag-along from another flight going to the EU. I know we're seeing some life come back in AA and they're the first US carrier for the 77W, Could a few new routes be the ticket? I know the economy is very sluggish in the EU, but it is here too and in Asia. But people still need to fly. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't have necessarily opted for the sardine can 3-4-3 77W, which I think is a huge mistake and going to cost them business.

The only cities left they will serve if ROM and HEL get cancelled are: LON (LHR), MAN, PAR (CDG), MAD, BCN, FRA, DUB, MIL, ZRH, BRU. It's a skeleton of what they used to fly.

CO, DL & US may've run the hell out of their 752's TATL, and cancelled some of the routes, but many they still have. I cannot stand US, but the one thing I can say is they had the cojones to try, They took AA head-on in the Caribbean--service from a simple PHL & CLT to SJU, to many cities in the Caribbean, plus Mexico, Central America and South America with RIO, and a ton of EU service with sporadic Middle East routes too. AA hasn't even attempted it. I feel like they're afraid to fail, but if they don't try, how are they going to know? Errrr just my 2 cents at 130am.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:08 am

Quoting EY460 (Reply 10):
Confirmed from Airline Route

Sad to hear that  . Hopefully there will be replacements.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:52 am

To be honest Im surprised at ORD-DUB returning. This route used to be year round and was dropped to seasonal and only recently EI announced that DUB-ORD was increasing from 7x weekly to 11x weekly for next Summer. EI have the benefit of feed at both ends (UA codeshares at ORD) where as AA only have connections at one end, and the AA 757 flying the route is pretty poor from a hard product perspective compared to the EI 330s
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 9):
When AA was flying to CHI-ROM when it first came out it was seasonal like GLA and some of the other routes mentioned. Then when AA stopped flying to MIL they made ROM year-round. Now, I am not sure if they're back in MIL or not. I have to say that if AA drops ROM and HEL, they're really pissing away EU. They dropped CHI-FRA (I know it's so heavily *A), CHI-DUS, CHI-MUC, JFK-HAM, CHI-BHX, ORD-BUD, JFK-LYS, ORD-ARN, RDU/DAL-LGW, BOS-SNN, BNA-LGW, RDU-PAR... I really miss the AA of old. I know they're going thru their bankruptcy, but they cannot run a supportive international route structure to the EU if they only fly to a handful of cities and a dozen code-shares. AA has SO missed the boat on so many great routes KWI, DXB, ATH, IST, DKR, JNB, CPT, ADD. They could pay the ransom to Israel from TW era and start a lucrative TLV-MIA/TLV-CHI or DAL. They could even even get into Baghdad as tag-along from another flight going to the EU. I know we're seeing some life come back in AA and they're the first US carrier for the 77W, Could a few new routes be the ticket? I know the economy is very sluggish in the EU, but it is here too and in Asia. But people still need to fly. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't have necessarily opted for the sardine can 3-4-3 77W, which I think is a huge mistake and going to cost them business.

The only cities left they will serve if ROM and HEL get cancelled are: LON (LHR), MAN, PAR (CDG), MAD, BCN, FRA, DUB, MIL, ZRH, BRU. It's a skeleton of what they used to fly.

Much has changed since AA first started flying to Europe from Chicago and DFW. The biggest change is how big LHR is in AA route map, back in the early 1980's AA had to fly to LGW. AA flew to many secondary cities with 767's. When AA took over the TWA LHR routes they expanded flying from many cities like Miami, Boston, LAX and JFK to Europe, flying from Chcago to GLA, BHX and HAM was not so desirable any more.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting kyrone (Reply 8):
AZ has been seasonal out of ORD for a year or so....

SCR
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09MAY
ORD
NAZ628 28OCT03NOV 1234567 232763 FCO2005 J
NAZ628 04NOV09MAR 1234567 232763 FCO2005 J
NAZ628 10MAR30MAR 1234567 232763 FCO2005 J
N AZ629 28OCT03NOV 1234567 232763 2155FCO J
N AZ629 04NOV09MAR 1234567 232763 2155FCO J
N AZ629 10MAR30MAR 1234567 232763 2155FCO J
SI UTC TIMES PLS ACK TKS COOP

Until 15AUG, these are in our system and confirmed. So until they return these back, I have to look at it as they are operating.


It's almost to the point AA outside of LHR should just cut their loses from ORD to Europe. It seems no matter where they try, they fail within a year or so. Just pump people to JFK and LHR and call it a day. *more of a venting statement.

[Edited 2012-08-04 04:44:52]
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:43 am

Unfortunate but not surprising with the addition of a new Central European hub and AB's addition to OW. I think AA will be funneling most of that traffic on the new AB flight.

Rather disappointed on a personal note as I was planning to take the AA HEL flight on a trip to Northern Europe next summer.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:40 pm

UA's yields on the ORD-BRU run have kept improving since AA dropped the route.

And with a good part of O&D traffic I've been told...

Now, I keep wondering how the JFK-BRU route has survived, certainly with the 757 product.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:49 pm

Quite a few transfer between AA/AY over Manchester and more likely to now with the B763 on the ORD-MAN leg.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:25 pm

It seems like the trend with AA over the last few years has been to concentrate the Europe flying out of JFK.

It is surprising because their feed at JFK is not great. But, I guess it makes more sense to have NYC with its high connections to Europe and good location for jumping across the pond as a gateway.

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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
Chicago-American's gateway to the world...that's what the banner in the terminal used to say. I wonder if it is still hanging there

See part of the problem (but only a small part) AA has is connections from Europe to other parts of the Americas via ORD often involve backtracking. Anywhere along the east coast can be reached easier via EWR or JFK with UA or DL. This coupled with the fact AA offer a sub-par hard product to Europe on their 757s versus UA's or some of DL's leaves AA facing an uphill battle
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 19):
See part of the problem (but only a small part) AA has is connections from Europe to other parts of the Americas via ORD often involve backtracking. Anywhere along the east coast can be reached easier via EWR or JFK with UA or DL. This coupled with the fact AA offer a sub-par hard product to Europe on their 757s versus UA's or some of DL's leaves AA facing an uphill battle

Exactly. Especially in terms of product, DL 757s and the ex-CO 757s are quite up to date in the back, with PTVs at every seat and AC power (first 10 rows on DL, every seat on CO). AA's 757s feature overhead monitors and a handful of rows with AC power scattered throughout the cabin. From a pure passenger experience standpoint, DL/UA will win every time.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):
I don't think anything is set in stone, but thats not a good sign. DUB is in the schedule for 2013, and FCO and HEL are not, as of now.

I never understood HEL even if it is a Oneworld hub. HEL isnt a good hub for transiting from North America unless you are specifically going to Russia or Baltic states. That would not be enough for a successful service as yields I bet are low.
FCO is simply low yield and served from ORD by AZ.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 19):
This coupled with the fact AA offer a sub-par hard product to Europe on their 757s versus UA's or some of DL's leaves AA facing an uphill battle

I know Anetters care about this but most people dont. They care about fares and mileage programs. So long as AA F/J/C on the 757s is competitive, then it is fine. The fact that AA doesnt have AVOD on the 757s is not important. I would love to see a study that shows AVOD pays for itself with higher fares in Y cabin.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:01 pm

Really can't say I'm surprised at this move. AA is left with just 3 year round flight to Europe from ORD-LHR/MAN/CDG and one seasonal route DUB.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 21):
I would love to see a study that shows AVOD pays for itself with higher fares in Y cabin.

I didnt say AVOD means you should be able to charge higher fares in Y. What I said was that UA and increasingly DL have a better hard product in Y on the 757s which fly many of the Atlantic runs. AVOD is a part of this as is in seat power etc.

From a customers point of view, no they are unlikely to pay substantially more to fly from Europe to USA via EWR or JFK with UA or DL over AA via ORD purely for AVOD, but in my experience (certainly ex DUB), AA are no cheaper than anyone else so why then would anyone pick AA unless they have FF affinity? Put simply AA have been left behind in many of the European markets they serve by both their American peers and by the local airlines and this is part of the reason their European network has shrank while others have grown around them.

Their reintroduction of free beers in Y is a small step in the right direction but there is much more to do to regain the market. Here in DUB, UA have billboards everywhere for the last 6 months advertising the new IAD service. The previous year it was US with the new CLT service. I couldnt tell you the last time I saw AA advertising in DUB and to me that is endemic of their lack of focus. If they want DUB to work (and the numbers flying EI direct, BA via LHR and UA via ORD suggest they are), then market it like you want it to rather than just putting a sub-par (in comparison with the competition) aircraft on the route seasonally and expecting it to do great things for you
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:01 pm

Economic problems showing them selves in Italy. I would think ORD could sustain one flight to Italy even during winter. As for HEL, they often seem to be offering some heavily discounted J offer or something where they will give you an extra 25K miles for booking in business. That would seem to indicate they are not getting good yield on their own.


Any idea what AA will do with 2 freed up 763's
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:38 pm

This is not official.

This is still really, really early. Look how late in the game they changed the Helsinki start date this year. Why would they want to load something bookable into the system when they could very well change that later?

[Edited 2012-08-04 13:48:25]
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting finnishway (Reply 4):
I really hope that ORD-HEL route will return next year, because Finnair won't start a new route to the USA. I thought AA had good loads on their ORD-HEL route, but somebody wise taught me a long time ago "don't imagine, you need to know"

When AA declared Chapter 11 the first route they eliminated was Dehli from ORD, that tells us they must have been killed on it. AA 777 seem to work to EZE, GRU and LHR so they are better used there.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 25):
Why would they want to load something bookable into the system when they could very well change that later?



For one thing they will be needing to apply for slots, so shouldn't they have at least the idea when/if they're going to operate it? Since historical's are important you don't willy nilly schedules.

At the end of the day, I'm sure all of us would be very happy if they keep them for next year.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:38 am

Who will they be needing to apply for slots to?  
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 28):
Who will they be needing to apply for slots to?

For HEL; http://www.helslot.fi/

For FCO

http://www.assoclearance.it/versione_inglese/index.asp

US; they'll need to submit FAA and CIAG

Here's the website for the Worldwide Airport Coordinators Group.

http://www.wwacg.org/
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:20 am

Formalities.

They will have no problem flying these routes if they want to fly them.

They could get brand new routes going in 3-4 months if they needed to. Now were 8 months out from the earliest these flights could restart and were freaking out about slots to Helsinki? What is it, Haneda?

[Edited 2012-08-04 19:26:22]
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:11 am

Would there be any changes to get a year-round ORD-HEL route?

Winter is the busiest time in Finnish tourism, so I think there would be much demand for a year-round service.

[Edited 2012-08-05 01:12:22]
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:11 pm

Quoting finnishway (Reply 31):
Would there be any changes to get a year-round ORD-HEL route?

Winter is the busiest time in Finnish tourism, so I think there would be much demand for a year-round service.

Finland gets more winter tourists than other Nordic countries but I'm afraid you can't expect tourists flowing from ORD... The ORD-HEL is (was) based on connections to the Baltic/Nordic region, thats where it works or not.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 9):
They dropped CHI-FRA (I know it's so heavily *A), CHI-DUS, CHI-MUC, JFK-HAM, CHI-BHX, ORD-BUD, JFK-LYS, ORD-ARN, RDU/DAL-LGW, BOS-SNN, BNA-LGW, RDU-PAR...

These were the routes of an airline trying to build a route system to Europe with any route they could get. RDU and Nashville were cancelled because those 2 hubs are no more, AA does fly RDU to LHR.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:54 pm

Per email recevied today 8/6/12 from our manager in ORD, both FCO and HEL and scheduled to return 2013 for seasonal flying. Stated this was confirmed through capacity planning. Time will tell...

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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting AA94 (Reply 20):
From a pure passenger experience standpoint, DL/UA will win every time.

Except for the former NW 757's. JFK-DUB-JFK last summer with old worn out seats and TV screens that were barely useable.

I can't say this news is surprising, the yields on these routes are probably not high enough to sustain them.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 23):
Their reintroduction of free beers in Y is a small step in the right direction but there is much more to do to regain the market. Here in DUB, UA have billboards everywhere for the last 6 months advertising the new IAD service. The previous year it was US with the new CLT service. I couldnt tell you the last time I saw AA advertising in DUB and to me that is endemic of their lack of focus. If they want DUB to work (and the numbers flying EI direct, BA via LHR and UA via ORD suggest they are), then market it like you want it to rather than just putting a sub-par (in comparison with the competition) aircraft on the route seasonally and expecting it to do great things for you

But AA are doing fine to DUB. The loads are consistenly good on the seasonal service. Their logic is probably "why spend money on it if we are filling the aircraft anyway?"

Now, if they wished to go back to operating year round, then sure, they are gonna have to start spending some money and actually letting the Irish consumer know that they fly here. Their reputation is not good from anything I have ever seen written online about them here in Ireland.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 35):
Except for the former NW 757's. JFK-DUB-JFK last summer with old worn out seats and TV screens that were barely useable

Agreed. But in fairness to DL, since then the newer 752s fly to DUB much more often now and from next year I think all of the JFK-DUB flights will be that way.

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 36):
But AA are doing fine to DUB. The loads are consistenly good on the seasonal service. Their logic is probably "why spend money on it if we are filling the aircraft anyway?

Not entirely sure how you are making this conclusion. Even if their loads are good then that gives no idea of yield. And I picked 4 random dates in August / September and AA have more seats available than EI on all of the 8 flights (DUB-ORD & ORD-DUB). On 3 of the flights EI have only 1 seat while AA have in excess of 30. And on all bar one of those dates AA are cheaper from DUB-ORD than EI.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:22 pm

Airline Route:

*Edit as of 1930GMT: Airline Route has been informed that these seasonal routes for 2013 are simply not loaded in the system, however, based on the past posts reported on this site, it is treating them as “cancelled” status until they’re loaded in the GDS at a later date.

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I really hope AA will return to HEL in 2013!

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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 35):
Except for the former NW 757's. JFK-DUB-JFK last summer with old worn out seats and TV screens that were barely useable

Fortunately, all the ex-NW 757s (75As) DL had been using on transatlantic previously have been reconfigured and moved to Asia for the shorter intra-Asia flights. All transatlantic flights on 757s this summer have been scheduled with the ex-TWA 75Es (nose-to-tail AVOD, newer seats, etc.), though JFK-DUB has been operating with the 763ER this summer.

[Edited 2012-08-07 07:39:03]
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 37):
Agreed. But in fairness to DL, since then the newer 752s fly to DUB much more often now and from next year I think all of the JFK-DUB flights will be that way.
Quoting panamair (Reply 39):
Fortunately, all the ex-NW 757s (75As) DL had been using on transatlantic previously have been reconfigured and moved to Asia for the shorter intra-Asia flights. All transatlantic flights on 757s this summer have been scheduled with the ex-TWA 75Es (nose-to-tail AVOD, newer seats, etc.), though JFK-DUB has been operating with the 763ER this summer.

Glad to hear it. At the end of the day you seemingly spend more time waiting on the ground at JFK () than you did in the air anyways as it's a relatively short flight.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:37 am

I really, really hope that they will continue with these two seasonal flights. I've taken ORD-HEL-ORD flight several times, and it always seems to be +90% full. Hopefully these loadfactors mean that AA is making money on this route!
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:38 am

High load factors are not determinative for AA. The question management asks is whether it is making a sufficient profit on the route (surprisingly given how unprofitable it is) or whether it should redeploy the aircraft on another route in attempt to be more profitable. Given how many EU destinations out of ORD AA has abandon, I don't see much hope in keeping both of these routes alive. I'd give more hope to the HEL route, because business is generally better in Finland than in Italy right now.
 
LIPZ
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 42):
I'd give more hope to the HEL route, because business is generally better in Finland than in Italy right now.

Well, although not the best days in Italy, anyway USA-Italy is by far a larger market than USA-Finland.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:48 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 37):
And I picked 4 random dates in August / September and AA have more seats available than EI on all of the 8 flights (DUB-ORD & ORD-DUB). On 3 of the flights EI have only 1 seat while AA have in excess of 30. And on all bar one of those dates AA are cheaper from DUB-ORD than EI.

From where are you getting the seats available information?

If its the seat map, it does not show availability, merely what seats have been blocked.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:05 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 43):
Well, although not the best days in Italy, anyway USA-Italy is by far a larger market than USA-Finland.

USA-Finland market is not too big, but when we count the neighbouring countries, the potential market grows very much. There are good connections to Baltic states, Scandinavia and Russia and that probably is the most important reason why AA started this route.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:33 am

Concerning ORD-HEL flight, Facebook page AA Europe gave the following answer to question if this route is going to be closed down: "AA Europe: we are not closing the flight. Inventory for that route has not be loaded into our system yet for 2013. Check back with us in a few weeks. Thanks!"

This reply was posted by AA on Tuesday 7th of August. So, there is still hope, let's see if the flights get uploaded in a few weeks time!

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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:52 pm

As per the site that cannot be mentioned AA has loaded ORD-FCO, this flight to resume April 2, 2013. ORD-HEL is also to resume on June 13, 2013.
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:11 pm

Looks like the routes are here to stay! AA wants to grow international capacity over the next couple years, I'm sure its not a good time to start axing routes again!

I'm just a little disappointed in how late they are starting, but I'm sure it has something to do with switching aircraft up from the south to the north operation for Europe.

I'm hoping for more ORD- and DFW- Europe capacity upguages and additional frequencies/routes next year.
 
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RE: Possible 2 AA Euro Routes From ORD Dropped?

Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:46 am

I just tried to book a flight to ROM and AA only offered OAK-SEA-LON-ROM, SFO-LON-ROM, LAX-LON-ROM, LAX-MAD-ROM, ORD-JFK-MAD-ROM, LAX-JFK-MAD-ROM... AA has pulled their equipment from ROM. As much as I don't want to, it looks like I am going to have to focus my leisure travel to UA. I have been an avid AA flyer since 1984. Very sad day. ROM isn't my only city I go to. Just sad that they're so FAR behind refurbishing their fleet. Then when they order the 77W it's stuffed like a sardine can. and some fool's envisioning only to fly (eventually) to OW hubs.

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