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EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:16 am

Hasn't been posted yet, Last March, EL AL ordered 4 737-900ER's plus options to replace their 757 fleet. They finalized another 2 this past Thursday.

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"These additional airplanes will help us expand our fleet to meet the growing demand from our customers and to serve the growing markets in our network," said Elyezer Shkedy, Chief Executive Officer, EL AL."



They will feature Boeing sky interior and no dates upon delivery. On a roll these past days with orders - Boeing.  Prnewswire - Boeing and EL AL Finalize Order for Two Additional 737-900ERs
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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:37 am

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
EL AL ordered 4 737-900ER's plus options to replace their 757 fleet. They finalized another 2 this past Thursday.

Not to start A vs B, but isnt the A321NEO considered the most logical 757 replacement? And now they take 739's, why no MAX?
 
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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):
Not to start A vs B, but isnt the A321NEO considered the most logical 757 replacement? And now they take 739's, why no MAX?

As far as I know, the 737-900ER is a direct 95% replacement, it's just shortfall of the range. Thats where the 737-900ER makes a perfect replacement for 757's on shorter flights, which is was EL AL uses their 757's on - short flights.

A Boeing Executive outlined the features of the 739MAX versus the 757 in this video. There, he also mentions that only around 50 of the 1050 757's produced are flying tatl routes, and will be around at least another 10+ years. Plus the market is too small to build a new 757 replacement for only 50 aircraft. I believe the A320 family is not ETOPS certified. But the 737 family is lighter than the A320 family.
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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):
Not to start A vs B, but isnt the A321NEO considered the most logical 757 replacement? And now they take 739's, why no MAX?

They're doing the same thing Delta is doing (DL is using their 739ER order to replace the oldest 757-200s as well as A320s from their fleet.). One thing to remember is that the NEO and MAX are still nothing more than paper a/c that are a couple of years from entering service and both Airbus and Boeing have a lot of orders for those a/c types, meaning it would take El Al a lot longer to take delivery of such a/c than the currently manufactured generation of narrowbody a/c.
 
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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 2):
I believe the A320 family is not ETOPS certified.

They are, be interesting to see what level of ETOPS both A and B will try get certified on the new planes out of the box.
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...d-for-180-minute-etops-by-the-faa/
 
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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):

Not to start A vs B, but isnt the A321NEO considered the most logical 757 replacement? And now they take 739's, why no MAX?

The A321 is a little larger than the 739, so if they are looking for one to one capacity match, the A321 is a bit better. However the capacity is close, so the difference isn't that significant. To the casual observer the A321 looks more like the 757 due to aircraft height and exit configuration, but in reality, the 739ER makes a good replacement too.

The 739ER has adequate range to cover all of El Al's routes to Europe. The extra range is not necessary. Also, El Al has already ordered their 739ERs and intends to replace the 757s before the MAX is available. They intend to take delivery 2013-2016.

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 2):
I believe the A320 family is not ETOPS certified.

The A320 series can be equipped for ETOPS 180.
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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
The 739ER has adequate range to cover all of El Al's routes to Europe. The extra range is not necessary. Also, El Al has already ordered their 739ERs and intends to replace the 757s before the MAX is available. They intend to take delivery 2013-2016.

Correct, the B-739 can also fly out as far as Iceland, non-stop from TLV, as well as the northern 2/3s of Africa.

Here is the 3000 nm chart from GCM;

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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):
Not to start A vs B, but isnt the A321NEO considered the most logical 757 replacement? And now they take 739's, why no MAX?

No doubt, like every other contest lately, the commercials of one versus the other determine what airlines buy.

Also they can have a 739ER next month, and an A321NEO in 2020.

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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting trex8 (Reply 4):
They are, be interesting to see what level of ETOPS both A and B will try get certified on the new planes out of the box.
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
The A320 series can be equipped for ETOPS 180.

Thanks for clarifying, doesn't B6 need ETOPS to fly to the Caribbeans?
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RE: EL AL Orders 2 More 737-900ER's

Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):
hey take 739's, why no MAX?

Both Airbus and Boeing still need some orders for their current versions to bridge the gap with current or planned production rates of 40 or more until their NEO resp. MAX lines are fully running. They both have more then 2000 orders for the current version which would mean a full production schedule til 2016, but probably many of these, especially the big ones for lessors and the Southwest -700 order which have no fixed delivery date yet, will eventually be converted to the MAX and NEO. It may seem odd for an airline to order the older version still but I can imagine their pricing and delivery schedule is more attractive.
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