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Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:02 pm

To coincide with the supposed sUA767 base opening and 762 retirement. IAH-EZE will be going 763 on Nov. 4th.

ORD-IAH finally gets 763 service starting 9/5/12 (?)

Depart:
5:03 p.m.
Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare)
Arrive:
7:43 p.m.
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Travel Time:
2 hr 40 mn
Award Miles
925
Flight: UA517
Aircraft: Boeing 767-300

Depart:
1:01 p.m.
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Arrive:
3:45 p.m.
Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare)
Travel Time:
2 hr 44 mn
Award Miles
925
Flight: UA802
Aircraft: Boeing 767-300

One of the IAH-LHR flights is supposed to go pmUA 777 3-class...as rumored on another thread.
IAH-HNL was rumored to be going domestic pmUA 777. I don't see either of those on timetables yet.
IAH-DEN gets an alternating 763 with IAH-SFO - feeding the IAH-LIM turn.

Arrival at IAH at 7:43p seems a little short for the 9:00p turn to EZE but I suppose it can be done.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:06 pm

Are all the 762s gone already??
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:22 pm

I think this is a sign that UA will begin to grow out of IAH soon, they are putting more widebodies on routes out of IAH.
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Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:24 pm

You know that isn't true. They have announced their intent to reduce 10%, and they are.

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Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 3):

But they already announced the 10 cuts, that means the 10 percent cuts were already made. In my opinion.

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Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:36 pm

Its not 10 cuts, its a combination of reduction of 6% of current flying (not even REMOTELY all of which has been announced, 6 percent is 42 daily flights, or a WHOLE lot more in terms of seats) as well as the elimination of planned service increases over the next year accounting for 4% percent.

The announcement is for a total yearly reduction of 10%. So there is no chance of growth there for a very long time, since that would be the opposite of a total yearly reduction of 10%.

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Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):

I see, but how does that warrant that there wont be any growth for a long time, the routes United cut were unprofitable.
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 6):
Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):


I see, but how does that warrant that there wont be any growth for a long time, the routes United cut were unprofitable.

We'll make the 10% cuts. Jeff will spite the city and mayor. But in my opinion we'll grow here and grow sooner rather than later eventually.

IAH makes $$$ and I'm sure however unhappy the guys at the top may have been with the city and mayor. In the end IAH will grow. Through either new flights, or upgrade in capacity. I mean we're using just about every available gate at IAH. IIRC with my own eyes we have flights operating out of every single terminal. A,B,C,D,and E.

F if we had one

It would be quite dumb not to frankly.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:34 am

On topic please...

This is not a sign of growth necessarily - except for the fact that the 763s will end up on domestic turns to rotate through IAH until enough can be based there. This is a function of retiring the 762s. The 762 I was on a couple of weeks ago from EWR-IAH was continuing on to EZE. What is curious is that the return from EZE arrives IAH at 6am...where does it go from there? Does it sit at IAH until the 1:00p departure to ORD?
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I'm wondering when we'll see 747 service out of IAH.

If I could think of any possible routes I'd say LHR or NRT.
 
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Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 9):
If I could think of any possible routes I'd say LHR or NRT.

There are currently three international routes from IAH that could warrant the 744: LHR, NRT, and GIG. GIG is going pmCO 777, 2nd LHR flight is supposed to be going 3-class pmUA 777, and no changes yet for NRT. I don't see the 744 coming for at least another year...if at all.

IAH-LAX is a route that could use a 76 or 77... for example on Nov. 5th its 5x 752, 4x 753, and 1 738.
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the IAH-ORD is temporary right now for about 6.5 weeks.
 
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 10):
IAH-LAX is a route that could use a 76 or 77... for example on Nov. 5th its 5x 752, 4x 753, and 1 738.

Early 2000's we had at least a 762 and 777 on that route at one time. 02' , 03' I believe. It has been a while.
 
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Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 12):

there were 2 767-400's scheduled a day up until about 2005.
 
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Quoting drerx7 (Thread starter):
IAH-HNL was rumored to be going domestic pmUA 777.

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow! Wow UA is getting risky?!?!?!?
 
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Between January and May 2013 all the CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763 and UAL 777 aircraft. The Hawaii flight will go to the UAL 777 at some point. The company is still working out the details on that issue.
 
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Quoting frosty328 (Reply 15):
CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763

I thought the 767-300's where going to be converted to international service and not being used for domestic anymore.
 
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Quoting frosty328 (Reply 15):

Between January and May 2013 all the CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763 and UAL 777 aircraft. The Hawaii flight will go to the UAL 777 at some point. The company is still working out the details on that issue.

All 764 departures from IAH?

As a side note - IAH-MSY is 9x319/320 and 1 753 and 1 739.
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Quoting SWALUV (Reply 16):
I thought the 767-300's where going to be converted to international service and not being used for domestic anymore.

Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.
 
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Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18):
Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.

Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?

I have no idea. I guess we can make more money with those aircraft in different hubs. The company is constantly fitting the right aircraft to the right route.
 
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Quoting frosty328 (Reply 20):

atleast you are seeing triple 7s take some of their routes.
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Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 21):
atleast you are seeing triple 7s take some of their routes.

I'm not sure what you're refrencing, L-CAL or L-UAL 777? L-CAL will loose one 777 flight out of IAH in early 2013, That will be going to the 787 allegedly. The IAH-HNL will go to L-UAL 777 some time in 2013.
 
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Quoting frosty328 (Reply 22):

L-UAL 777.
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?

I doubt that will be the case. If 764s are being removed from IAH completely, the only reason would be to offer F on 3 class aircraft. This would not include the 14 reconfigured 763 going international 2 class. So, IMHO, the below quote doesn't make sense.

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18):
Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.

Regarding the 764s being changed to 772 UA domestic aircraft, the HNL-IAD/EWR/IAH services are rumored. There still is a question as to if the 764 Pacific configurations aircraft will become International aircraft - that would make sense as the international configuration has almost as many seats and could serve International, plus limited Hawaii services.


Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
Are all the 762s gone already??

Still 5 of original 10 flying now. UA just released a new fleet plan and it shows 2 more being removed in the 3rd quarter with the end of 2012 having 3 762s. Fall flying reductions and the 772 E+ mod ending should absorb the 762 removals.
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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24):
So, IMHO, the below quote doesn't make sense.

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18):
Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.

What I was getting at is that L-UAL has enough international configured 763 aircraft. I wasn't clear, my apologies. It seems the company is doing an aircraft swap. I'm sure the L-CAL 764 will replace some of the L-UAL 763 out of IAD and vise vera out of IAH.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:59 am

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 9):
I'm wondering when we'll see 747 service out of IAH.

They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
Are all the 762s gone already??

Not yet, there are still a few of those beaties in the skies.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
As a side note - IAH-MSY is 9x319/320 and 1 753 and 1 739.

Hmm....between DL's temporary upgrading of their flights in October to 763s and 753s and CO's 753, it must be cool to be a MSY spotter!
 
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Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26):
They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).

When? I never heard or saw that one...and I am all over a.net in regards to Houston.
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Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26):
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 27):

I heard in September.
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 27):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26):
They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).

That was never announced. That is a bad rumor.
 
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Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 28):
I heard in September.

Absolutely not. That would be on the schedules and houstonspotters would have been all over that as well - we would have known almost a year in advance lol.

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 29):

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 27):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26):
They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).

That was never announced. That is a bad rumor.

Absolutely a bad rumor and one that has zero basis in reality...unfortunately.
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 30):

Darnit. I hope we still see it.
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Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 21):
atleast you are seeing triple 7s take some of their routes.

I am not sure that's true either.

I believe they may put a UA 777 on AMS, LHR, GIG , maybe GRU. Hell, maybe LOS. Everything else will be a downgauge.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24):
If 764s are being removed from IAH completely, the only reason would be to offer F on 3 class aircraft.

Why do you say that? The extra capacity can be useful in other markets than IAH. I don't agree with this position.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24):
Regarding the 764s being changed to 772 UA domestic aircraft, the HNL-IAD/EWR/IAH services are rumored.

Hopefully _post_ refurb. I would rather take a loaded shotgun to the face than fly one of the current 6 from EWR all the way to HNL.

And really, is IAD performing that well?

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26):
They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).

As was posted, I don't think so.


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I would like to see the FRA flight go to a 777, if it isn't already. Only makes sense to connect the two Star Hubs. LOS is already a 777.
 
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24):
If 764s are being removed from IAH completely, the only reason would be to offer F on 3 class aircraft.

Why do you say that? The extra capacity can be useful in other markets than IAH. I don't agree with this position.

OK, removal of the 764s would only be due to conversion to 3 class aircraft to gain the F market OR to downgrade total seats on some markets like AMS. Maybe FRA will go 772 and AMS could go 763. HNL is going 772A so maybe the 764s may go entirely, but I don't think UA is pulling them just to pull the aircraft from IAH or for any other reasons than marketing.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24):
Regarding the 764s being changed to 772 UA domestic aircraft, the HNL-IAD/EWR/IAH services are rumored.

Hopefully _post_ refurb. I would rather take a loaded shotgun to the face than fly one of the current 6 from EWR all the way to HNL.

The rumor is that the 772A units that are now in the old international config will get the recliner Business seats in the ps configured 752 aircraft. That would be 57 inch pitch in standard domestic F seat widths - not lie flat. Y is to get new 3-3-3 seating.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
And really, is IAD performing that well?

I believe it is, which is great for the new route, but it is summer.
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
And really, is IAD performing that well?

The 767-400 has about the same amount of seats, last I checked, so i don't think it would be that different.
 
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Quoting SWALUV (Reply 35):
Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
And really, is IAD performing that well?

The 767-400 has about the same amount of seats, last I checked, so i don't think it would be that different.

Yes it would as we're talking a 772A with a high density configuration of probably 30F/312Y=342 vs. the current 764 at 20F/236Y=256.
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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 36):
772A with a high density configuration of probably 30F/312Y=342 vs.

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Quoting 777222LR (Reply 33):
I would like to see the FRA flight go to a 777, if it isn't already. Only makes sense to connect the two Star Hubs. LOS is already a 777.

If you look closely at the post he meant a sUA777, which presumably has first class.
 
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):

I don't think that everything is a down gauge, it is more like putting the right aircraft on the route.
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Quoting 777222LR (Reply 33):

I would like to see the FRA flight go to a 777, if it isn't already. Only makes sense to connect the two Star Hubs. LOS is already a 777.

Well...we have to see how LH daily 388 affects loads on UA's daily 764.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
Hopefully _post_ refurb. I would rather take a loaded shotgun to the face than fly one of the current 6 from EWR all the way to HNL.

Jesus...I agree. I flew one from HNL-SFO and it was fine for the 4 1/2 hr run...but 8hrs and up...no thanks, I'd prefer to stopover in LAX/SFO first before I did that from IAH or EWR/IAD.
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What are the chances of seeing direct service to NRT on a 747? Say, IAH - SFO - NRT ?
 
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Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 41):
What are the chances of seeing direct service to NRT on a 747? Say, IAH - SFO - NRT ?

I doubt that one. We would see NH or UA add a second IAH-NRT freq with the 787 before that...is my loose assumption.
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A 764 will be operating IAD-IAH starting this October. Nice to see some more gauge in IAD-sCO hubs.

Also in October:

EWR-IAH 1 762, 1 763, 1 764.

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Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):

A 764 will be operating IAD-IAH starting this October. Nice to see some more gauge in IAD-sCO hubs.

Good news, IAH hasn't seen this many domestic widebodies since the 80s when DL/AA/PA/CO/WA/National/EA all flew widebodies here...or so I see from the pics (I was born in '81). IAH will have widebody service to all UA hubs except for CLE and LAX.
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Good news for IAH...the second most interesting city along the gulf coast.  
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:09 pm

This comment will not make some people happy. But having flown 75k this year on sCO and sUA, including the post premium cabin alignment. Till sUA gets a little more refined I doubt we will see much sUA a/c on super competitive routes in the PMCO network.

It *will* come, but swapping to a sUA on say IAHLHR right now will just be sending heaps of high yield traffic to BA. They are still working out the kinks in adopting sCO service levels.


For now you will see sUA to *A hub. eg EWR-GVA/ZRH/BRU/IST. Were there is greater margin for "error". You will have wait longer to see sUA 3 cabin or not, going EWR/IAH-LHR. Those pax have too many options


If you're a really captive market you may get 'lucky' and get a sUA ghetto bird like poor IAHLIM!
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:23 pm

..........IAH still has 764's to both AMS/FRA.
 
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IAH-AMS will go 787, dont know about FRA.
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Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 48):

but we are a ways from that happening.