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AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:11 pm

AZA has scheduled a press conference tomorrow (Monday, 8/6) to announce that a third airline will serve the airport. F9 will announce six new destinations tomorrow, but they currently serve PHX.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...f9e7ca8888c72c4f9/AZ--Mesa-Airport
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:12 pm

Who does the majority of ground handling services at AZA? Allegiant people or is it all outsourced?
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:13 pm

Per the FAA, the average DEN-PHX yearly 2011 PDEW is about 2800.

I would think that probably a couple of daily DEN-AZA could easily be filled by any carrier on this route.

 
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:21 pm

How exciting! Im going to guess a regional under a mainline brand
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:25 pm

I'm guessing maybe UA with a couple of daily regionals to IAH or American Eagle with a few daily ERJs to LAX or DFW.

Or, it's a stretch, but could Sun Country be looking to expand into the Phoenix market with a daily 737 to MSP?

[Edited 2012-08-05 11:26:41]
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:24 pm

My money's on either SY or F9 moving from PHX to AZA to keep their costs lower. F9 seems to be moving towards outside-the-box airports recently to stave off the competition between WN and UA at DEN.
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:31 pm

Could it be California Pacific?
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 5):
F9 seems to be moving towards outside-the-box airports recently to stave off the competition between WN and UA at DEN.

If so, would it be a stretch for F9 to operate at both PHX and AZA, since the air traffic is enormous between the Denver and Phoenix areas?

  
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:52 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Thread starter):
AZA has scheduled a press conference tomorrow (Monday, 8/6) to announce that a third airline will serve the airport. F9 will announce six new destinations tomorrow, but they currently serve PHX.

I guess this is perfect timing because the new terminal remodel is almost complete.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Who does the majority of ground handling services at AZA? Allegiant people or is it all outsourced?

All airlines are outsourced at AZA, Allegiant: Worldwide Flight Services, Sprit: Servisair

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 5):
My money's on either SY or F9 moving from PHX to AZA to keep their costs lower

Both airlines fly out of PHX. I do not think F9 will dump their operations and interlining with US, UA and ZK to move to AZA. Also SY resumes PHX service next month, if they were going to move their operation to AZA they would have said something back in may when stopped flying into PHX for the summer. Granted costs are lower at AZA but I do not think F9 or SY are moving out there.

Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 6):
Could it be California Pacific?

It could be.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):

I'm guessing maybe UA with a couple of daily regionals to IAH or American Eagle with a few daily ERJs to LAX or DFW.

Wouldn't that affect load factors and flights at PHX?
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
Per the FAA, the average DEN-PHX yearly 2011 PDEW is about 2800.

Hold on a minute. I don't know what FAA numbers you quoted but according to the DOT Traffic Reports, the TOTAL daily O&D pax in the market averaged a bit over 2,700 during 2011, making the PDEW ~1370. Still a healthy amount of traffic but a bit more realistic.
Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 6):
Could it be California Pacific?

Interesting thought. I've always assumed CP Air would be heading for Sky Harbor and I can't now remember if that was ever confirmed by anyone with the carrier. (And there have not been any other announcements of specific start-up plans yet so this would seem unlikely...)

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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:02 pm

Just to clarify, with the remodel/expansion, there are no FIS facilities at Gateway, right? (So we're not looking at somebody from Mexico?)

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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:11 pm

Finally someone to liberate PHX from their astronomical fares 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
Just to clarify, with the remodel/expansion, there are no FIS facilities at Gateway, right? (So we're not looking at somebody from Mexico?)

hehe... they'll be empty flying to Phoenix, but full leaving. Just don't yell out "La Migra" too loud in front of the airline ticket counters...
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
TOTAL daily O&D pax in the market averaged a bit over 2,700 during 2011

Okay, I did this on my spreadsheet now (instead of off the top of my head) and the average is 2736. So sorry, it's closer to 2700 rather than 2800, but as you say...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
Still a healthy amount of traffic

and probably easily able to fill a couple of DEN-AZA flights, and maybe even enough for F9 to do both PHX and AZA.

 

[Edited 2012-08-05 13:33:40]
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:15 pm

Never thought about CP Air...they would be an interesting player.
Also, if they elect to serve Vegas...theoretically, how hard would it be for them to go to VGT instead of LAS?
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:16 pm

Quoting usxguy (Reply 12):
hehe... they'll be empty flying to Phoenix, but full leaving. Just don't yell out "La Migra" too loud in front of the airline ticket counters...

Hm, I thought it was gonna be the other way around. Flying full to Phoenix, but flying empty back. But in other words, I can't imagine any US airline besides California Pacific wanting to fly to AZA.

I couldn't imagine it would really be worth it to any low cost carrier finding it worth it to move from PHX to AZA. Maybe a legacy would just try to get in there maybe, but unlikely.
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 15):
I couldn't imagine it would really be worth it to any low cost carrier finding it worth it to move from PHX to AZA. Maybe a legacy would just try to get in there maybe, but unlikely.

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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:03 pm

It could be F9 service from AZA to MCO. I see no nonstop service on the Phoenix Mesa web site.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:17 pm

I know it is unlikely, but I would like to see DL service from AZA to ATL. I live in Gilbert, and AZA would be a more convienient option than PHX.
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
Just to clarify, with the remodel/expansion, there are no FIS facilities at Gateway

That is correct. There is no FIS facility at AZA, but there is a Us Customs office there on the airport.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
I know it is unlikely, but I would like to see DL service from AZA to ATL. I live in Gilbert, and AZA would be a more convienient option than PHX.

Perhaps a 717 from AZA to ATL? Would be nice but if DL entered the airport I could just see them flying RJ7s or RJ9s to SLC and maybe LAX...

How about QX?
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
Okay, I did this on my spreadsheet now (instead of off the top of my head) and the average is 2736. So sorry, it's closer to 2700 rather than 2800, but as you say...

No, you miss my point, point. (Sorry, I couldn't resist...   )

The published '2,700' figure is TOTAL traffic in the market -- in both directions -- and you are confusing that figure with PDEW which is Pax per Day Each Way! (The 2700 number divided in half.) If you are quoting statistics, make sure you label them right; there's a BIG difference between (an incorrect) PDEW of 2700 and a correct PDEW of 1350. A PDEW of 1350 would fill about 10 roundtrip WN flights while a PDEW of 2700 would fill 20! Big difference, especially in light of the point you're trying to make in this thread.

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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:04 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
I know it is unlikely, but I would like to see DL service from AZA to ATL. I live in Gilbert, and AZA would be a more convienient option than PHX.

Just can't see this one happening for a long time, if ever. Maybe if the economy rebounds, then a possible A319 could work, but it might just not be enough - PHX is simply too convenient to the major business districts in Arizona.

I wouldn't be shocked to see F9 launch service tomorrow though - they've got both PVU and SLC going. Wouldn't be shocked if they did a daily E-Jet into AZA.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
I'm guessing maybe UA with a couple of daily regionals to IAH or American Eagle with a few daily ERJs to LAX or DFW.

If UA launched AZA, it'd likely be a CRJ to DEN or possibly SFO...IAH at 1000 miles on an RJ just wouldn't make sense.
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
I wouldn't be shocked to see F9 launch service tomorrow though - they've got both PVU and SLC going. Wouldn't be shocked if they did a daily E-Jet into AZA.

The timing of the announcements makes that a strong possibility, I guess.

When PVU applied for their SCASD loan, their preferred cities were LAX, LAS and PHX with DEN. So I'd quite like to see PVU-AZA.

I am not holding my breath, though.  

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[Edited 2012-08-05 16:43:57]
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
If UA launched AZA, it'd likely be a CRJ to DEN or possibly SFO...IAH at 1000 miles on an RJ just wouldn't make sense.

I've flown PHX-DSM route many times on a CR2 and CR9. Its 1149 miles (GCM scale). Its not the best flight to take, but those CR2's get cramped on a 2.5 hour flight.

My guess as to the new tennent will be F9 also. Since they only have interline agreements with other carriers, to move to a cheaper airport to operate out of, might make great sence. To have another viable option out at IWA/AZA for us east valley people would be great. I wonder how much ticket prices might decrease.
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:07 am

Look for Frontier to announce Denver - Phoenix/Mesa on a Monday.
And look for Spirit to announce Denver - Phoenix/Mesa say what - by Tuesday?
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:49 am

Could be AS from BLI-AZA
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:46 am

I'm going with F9 too. The stuff at the bottom of this page is what sells me on it:
http://www.frontierairlines.com/plan-book/routes-schedules/route-map

Otherwise, I would guess California Pacific just to be airborn before the certificate is revoked...
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:55 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
If UA launched AZA, it'd likely be a CRJ to DEN or possibly SFO...IAH at 1000 miles on an RJ just wouldn't make sense.

IIRC, CO operated EMB-145s from PHX to IAH (and longer routes at one time, like IAH-BOI).
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:30 am

So is it F9? Filler, filler.
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:44 am

Well whom ever it is, it will be interesting as to how the terminal
Can handle it, plus I have a feeling G4 will continue to grow at IWA. Exciting
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:27 am

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 28):
So is it F9?

The announcement is tomorrow...

F9 does seem like a longshot but I guess nothing else makes any more sense. I personally can't see them moving their entire operation from PHX to AZA but perhaps a daily r/t at Mesa to start... (And hey, maybe an AZA-COS sometime in 2013?)

Somewhat off topic but I continue to wonder if Spirit might connect Mesa with SAN in the not-to-distant future? SAN is the 4th largest market out of PHX whle PHX is the 2nd largest destination from Lindbergh Field and the market (around 670K pax over the last year) is served by (only) 2 current cx. It's a short, high-volume market that seems like a good match for NK's model...

It will be interesting to see what is announced on Monday, and how that will affect the overall air service profile at Mesa.

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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:34 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 5):
My money's on either SY or F9 moving from PHX to AZA to keep their costs lower. F9 seems to be moving towards outside-the-box airports recently to stave off the competition between WN and UA at DEN.

F9 is the first thought I had. I could see AZA throwing together a marketing and ground handling package that would pouch F9 from PHX

Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 6):
Could it be California Pacific?

They are at a point of use it or lose it and it could just start the route to keep the FAA happy.

I know, I know, it's going to be the newest version of People Express, the version that is supposed to be based at PHF. PHF-AZA will be it's first route  
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:02 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 19):
How about QX?
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 25):
Could be AS from BLI-AZA

PHX has been on the AS route map for many, many years I see absolutely no reason for AS/QX to fly into AZA, either in addition to, or instead of PHX.

Quoting LV (Reply 31):
Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 6):Could it be California Pacific?
They are at a point of use it or lose it and it could just start the route to keep the FAA happy.

This is exactly what I would expect, but I was under the impression that California Pacific was going to Northern California first. They are running it close to the ragged edge of disaster with their mandated start date, hope it's not a sign of things to come with this fledgling carrier, I have a lot of hope for their success.
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:53 am

I wanna throw my hat into the ring and say VX
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:19 pm

well its F9 its showing on their route map and cities served

1 daily flight DEN-AZA-DEN starting November 15

[Edited 2012-08-06 05:55:27]

[Edited 2012-08-06 05:56:12]
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 26):

I'm going with F9 too. The stuff at the bottom of this page is what sells me on it:
http://www.frontierairlines.com/plan...e-map

Guys, you're all overlooking this post. AZA is on the F9 route map, so I think it's safe to assume the new airline is F9.

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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting ba744phx (Reply 34):
well its F9 its showing on their route map and cities served

1 daily flight DEN-AZA-DEN starting November 15

Pretty cool

Here is the schedule -

FLIGHT DATE SEGMENT DPTR ARVL MLS EQP ELPD MILES SM
1 F9 201 15NOV DEN AZA 110P 303P 319 1.53 590 N
2 F9 200 15NOV AZA DEN 345P 529P 319 1.44 590 N

I was hoping for more than just DEN but I'll take it.
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:14 pm

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 36):
I was hoping for more than just DEN but I'll take it.

Where else would they go? Their only major hub is DEN, and I couldn't see them doing any Florida routes. Besides DEN, the only other route I could see them maybe doing is MCI or COS a few times a week.
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting flyhossd (Reply 27):
...IAH at 1000 miles on an RJ just wouldn't

Oh no?

I flew PSP-IAH-IAD earlier this year CR-7 / CR-7 and then ELP-IAH-IAD E145 / E145 .
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 35):
Guys, you're all overlooking this post.

Ironically, when I got in to work (HK Time) and checked this post then the route map it was not on there. The Ryanair-like explanations at the bottom of the page though provided hope.

How funny. Still no announcement on the airport's website.
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 39):
How funny. Still no announcement on the airport's website.

Its only 6:45am in AZ  
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 37):
Where else would they go? Their only major hub is DEN, and I couldn't see them doing any Florida routes.

Why no Florida? I see no nonstop service currently from AZA to MCO.
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):

You know, you are so correct.......

Can we say that my brain function somehow went amuck here and has since been re-corrected?

  
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:37 pm

Interesting that they'll serve both Sky Harbor and Gateway.

Checked a random date pairing in December for AZA-DEN, can get it as low as $137 r/t. Same dates for PHX were $187.
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:49 pm

Very exciting news for Phoenix-Mesa!

I travel down to Phoenix nearly every month and always take a chance to go see the Mesa Airport with my friend and check on the construction and watch what little traffic there is. Nice to see more diversity at Mesa.

I wish Frontier the best of luck, and certainly see some big opportunities out there.

I will be curious if Spirit does comment back and try to compete by adding DEN themselves. Competition is great all around.

One curious thing is F9 generally tries to hire its own people at most of their airports and has minimal outsourcing, they do outsource but quite minimal. Will Mesa be outsourced, or will they hire additional F9 for this station or the PHX Employees simply work over at Mesa if given the chance?

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Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:53 pm

Alex - after all of the MD-80s at AZA it will be great to see more Airbus there. Don't go telling everyone where my shady spot is. There's only so much shade under this AZ sun.

 

It is exciting to see how successful Gateway has been at attracting new airlines and to see the rapid growth they are accomplishing.
 
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RE: AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
When PVU applied for their SCASD loan, their preferred cities were LAX, LAS and PHX with DEN. So I'd quite like to see PVU-AZA.

I am not holding my breath, though.

I think the point about PVU was that if F9 is willing to serve both PVU and SLC from DEN, then what's to stop them from serving both PHX and AZA from DEN. Which is exactly what seems to be happening. As for PVU-AZA, that seems like a great 2x-weekly route for G4.
 
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting ACJFLYER (Reply 45):
Alex - after all of the MD-80s at AZA it will be great to see more Airbus there. Don't go telling everyone where my shady spot is. There's only so much shade under this AZ sun.

Your secrets safe with me Buddy! What a great little spot it is indeed!

Quoting ACJFLYER (Reply 45):

It is exciting to see how successful Gateway has been at attracting new airlines and to see the rapid growth they are accomplishing.

      This...along with the construction of the terminal is more then ever greatly needed, and more then ever in this example the "if you build it they will come" idea clearly seems to be working here.

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Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 14):
how hard would it be for them to go to VGT instead of LAS?

VGT would be tough with only a 5,004' runway and is primarily a GA airport.
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 48):
VGT would be tough with only a 5,004' runway and is primarily a GA airport.

Yes you won't see any aircraft other than maybe some props into VGT commercially.There is a small terminal building that I believe have been used for aircraft such as Beech 1900's and Grand Canyon flights in the past. The Beech service was EAS if I remember correctly, and a ground shuttle ran to LAS. VGT Is in a way like what AZA is to Arizona - VGT is the third busiest field in the state of Nevada (and also unfortunately ranked #2 in the nation for runway incursions in 2007). I'm guessing AZA is in the top 5 or so in Arizona for traffic. It wouldn't take much though to lengthen a runway to 7000' or so to make VGT much more viable in a way similar to AZA (though not the population base).