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Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:43 pm

Saw here a few months back that Aug 6th was the day for announcment for Southwest service to the Queen City. Any updates?
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
Saw here a few months back that Aug 6th was the day for announcment for Southwest service to the Queen City. Any updates?

I am always suspicious about an announcement about another announcement in the future. AirTran was famous about this. Can't understand why they just can't make the announcement if thwy have decided to do something.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
Saw here a few months back that Aug 6th was the day for announcment for Southwest service to the Queen City. Any updates?

Well, they bought FL and they're going to have to get the show on the road at some point.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:14 pm

I haven't heard anything here in CLT, but that doesn't mean that something won't happen. All the folks in CLT are all excited about eventually getting "walmart on wheels", when in reality, its just a new FL flying to the same old destinations. People here don't realize that. Most people in CLT would rather see the US hub close, just to save money on their yearly vacation.

Anyway, I see BWI, ATL, MCO, and possibly BNA, HOU, MDW, or STL from CLT. They only have 2 gates here in CLT, so they can only have about 15 flights daily.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
"walmart on wheels",

Wouldn't it be "walmart with wings"?   
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:23 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
They only have 2 gates here in CLT, so they can only have about 15 flights daily.

Here at IAD we only have 1 gate and operate 8 flights a day out of it with huge gaps in between so chances are 10 flights per gate or 20 flights a day is more likely. I know in some of the mega's like MDW, LAS and BWI they average 12 per gate per day.

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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 5):
Here at IAD we only have 1 gate and operate 8 flights a day out of it with huge gaps in between so chances are 10 flights per gate or 20 flights a day is more likely. I know in some of the mega's like MDW, LAS and BWI they average 12 per gate per day.

FLY

I was thinking the same, as WN's turn miniscule times make it very easy to maximize gate space and time.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
service to the Queen City

Dont mean to get picky, but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Anyway, I see BWI, ATL, MCO, and possibly BNA, HOU, MDW, or STL from CLT. They only have 2 gates here in CLT, so they can only have about 15 flights daily.

I could see DEN as well. US is most likely making a killing here, being the only n/s DEN-CLT carrier with its current 6 daily flights and using both A320s & A321s, and then charging about $670 r/t.

I think that WN can so some good here.

  
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 7):
Dont mean to get picky, but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".

They both claim the nickname...of the two, Charlotte is the older and larger city.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 1):
I am always suspicious about an announcement about another announcement in the future. AirTran was famous about this. Can't understand why they just can't make the announcement if thwy have decided to do something.

Agreed, I guess it's just a way to create hype.

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 7):
Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
service to the Queen City

Dont mean to get picky, but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".

"Queen City" is the nickname used in both cities. Cincinnati's nickname is more specifically the "Queen of the West" or "Queen City of the West" which came into popular use in the 1820's, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow later essentially officialized the nickname in his 1854 poem Catawba Wine in which he referred to the city as "the Queen of the West". . Charlotte is also called the "Queen City" as the city got it's name from Queen Charlotte Sophia, wife of King George III, when the nickname became popularized there I am not certain.

[Edited 2012-08-06 10:22:15]
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
"Queen City" is the nickname used in both cities. Cincinnati's nickname is more specifically the "Queen of the West" or "Queen City of the West" which Henry Wadsworth Longfellow referred to the city as in his poem Catawba Wine and it has stuck since then. Charlotte is also called the "Queen City" as the city got it's name from Queen Charlotte Sophia, wife of King George III, when the nickname became popularized there I am not certain.

Also, according to Wiki, Denver is also a queen city....... (no joke here)

Denver has also been known historically as the Queen City of the Plains and the Queen City of the West, because of its important role in the agricultural industry of the high-plains region in eastern Colorado and along the foothills of the Colorado Front Range.

Sure a lot of queen cities here in the states......

  
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:24 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 11):

Sure a lot of queen cities here in the states......

Haha apparently, but we know which two cities started the trend  
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
"walmart on wheels"

USAirways is the one with the ticker symbol of LCC and was the one that even charged for sodas in flight.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Most people in CLT would rather see the US hub close, just to save money on their yearly vacation.

I think most people in CLT would be very happy to see US charge reasonable fares rather than closing the hub; it doesn't seem reasonable to charge $616 round-trip for CLT-IAH with two weeks' notice when US is happy to sell you RDU-IAH for $386 or GSP-IAH for $371 on the same dates, both connecting through CLT. I think they'd prefer not to feel gouged by a carrier that charges for bags and even tried to charge for non-alcoholic drinks.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:02 pm

non stop flights have more value than connecting flights, why is that so hard for some people to understand?
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it be "walmart with wings"?

Haha my mistake.

FL's current schedule is:

ATL:4X, BWI 3X

I could see with WN

ATL 3X, BWI 4X, HOU 2X, BNA 3X, STL 2X, MDW 3X, DEN or PHX or LAS 2X.

Maybe a flight to MCO.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:39 pm

Don't expect WN to have more then 12 flights a day. I think they learned their lesson in PHL. In PHL they kept adding and adding do to the high fares the US charged. But as soon as US lowered their fares then people went back to US do to the love with all the miles and such. So WN decided to take their planes elsewhere. CLT will be the same if they try to add too much. I would say the start will be about what FL has there now. You may see different destinations but number of flights will remain about the same with a maximum of 12 a day.


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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting WWTRAVELER99 (Reply 17):
Don't expect WN to have more then 12 flights a day. I think they learned their lesson in PHL. In PHL they kept adding and adding do to the high fares the US charged.

There's a pretty significant gap between 12 daily flights and WN's peak at PHL. I'd agree that WN should not (and will not) grow as large at CLT as they grew at PHL, but why is 12 the magic number?
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):

There's a pretty significant gap between 12 daily flights and WN's peak at PHL. I'd agree that WN should not (and will not) grow as large at CLT as they grew at PHL, but why is 12 the magic number?

Personal opinion. Just that there is a limited number of gates and its a US fortress hub. I think WN will be very content to have 12-15 flights a day and be very profitable. If you look at PHL, all that has been happening is cuts. If they were to have a crystal ball I am sure PHL would not have grown to more than 25 flights.

Now if US were to run from a martket or cut service their self THEN I can see WN take advantage of something like that.



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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:23 pm

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 7):
but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".

Except for Alaska and Hawaii I think most states have a city commonly referred to as a queen city. It may or may not be the second largest city in the State. In Tennessee Clarksville CKV which is the 5th largest municipality has referred itself as the Queen city for more than 30 years.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Most people in CLT would rather see the US hub close, just to save money on their yearly vacation.

Since and my friends are part of the
"most people in CLT" I have never heard the suggestion of closing the hub so that the citizens can get cheaper fares by anyone

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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 16):
ATL 3X, BWI 4X, HOU 2X, BNA 3X, STL 2X, MDW 3X, DEN or PHX or LAS 2X.

Maybe a flight to MCO.
ATL is 4.5hrs on a straight road from CLT. With US and DL also on the route as well, maybe WN wouldn't keep it, but instead have more MDW flights or HOU flights or something else.

[Edited 2012-08-06 13:22:18]
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 21):
Since and my friends are part of the
"most people in CLT" I have never heard the suggestion of closing the hub so that the citizens can get cheaper fares by anyone

Just read the comments on the message boards for the websites of local news outlets, the average joe citizen not versed in aviation is always calling for lower fares and the closure of the hub. Of course when the hub closes, these same people start b*tching about the lack of service.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:10 pm

Most people I know love the fact the Charlotte has great access. Sure, they might grumble about pricing models, but that is normal.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:57 am

I think the date mentioned was August 12. But thats a Sunday so maybe the 13th.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 25):
I think the date mentioned was August 12. But thats a Sunday so maybe the 13th.

I'll keep an eye out.

Now that I don't live in CLT anymore I'm looking for MDW-CLT. Hopefully fares will come down with WN on the route and I can avoid ORD. Oh, and free checked bags!
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:24 pm

I'm sure WN would start HOU...For the first time in decades US has begun bolstering IAH-CLT, its going from 734 to majority 321.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:09 pm

Someone told me the announcement would be August 12
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:16 pm

I could see WN start CLT-DEN, CLT-HOU,CLT-LAS CLT-MDW

[Edited 2012-08-07 10:33:21]
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 29):

I could see WN start CLT-DEN, CLT-HOU,CLT-LAS CLT-MDW

That is what I would think a most likely scenario, and then add in CLT-BWI, and maybe CLT-MCO, and I think that that would be it......

  
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:34 am

Jerry Orr, CLT, Airport Director told the local Airtran employees right after WN purchased Airtran. That he had 6 gates for SWA. However there is nothing announced since the purchase. At the time SWA purchased FL SWA had no aircraft to go into CLT with, however seems there are more aircraft available with the purchase of FL. At one point in time SWA will move into CLT with some flights. I would say CLT-HOU, CLT MDW and probably CLT-DEN and possibly CLT-STL. STL is kind of a sleeping giant at this time. MDW is rather crowded and STL can take some of the overflow off MDW.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:14 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
I haven't heard anything here in CLT, but that doesn't mean that something won't happen. All the folks in CLT are all excited about eventually getting "walmart on wheels", when in reality, its just a new FL flying to the same old destinations. People here don't realize that. Most people in CLT would rather see the US hub close, just to save money on their yearly vacation

Anything to improve upon all those damn delays! For whatever reason CLT is trying to compete with the Airport Axis of Evil:
BOS, LGA,JFK and EWR including surly passengers.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:05 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 31):
That he had 6 gates for SWA.

Where? FL has two, and I don't think there are any gates in A open. I think there is one gate in A that doesn't have a jetway, so unless WN wants to board pax on the tarmac, that isn't an option.

The only thing I can think of is CDIA letting WN use some of the common use gates in Lower D, thought I'm not so sure how B6 would play into that. I think E gates are common use as well.
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:24 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 33):
The only thing I can think of is CDIA letting WN use some of the common use gates in Lower D, thought I'm not so sure how B6 would play into that. I think E gates are common use as well.

The gates on E are all US. I dont think any are common use other than some of the D gates. I dont know where WN would get more gates from other than the 2 FL has. Maybe after this falls construction of the rest of E (38-50) US would move some E70/75 ops over to E and free up space somewhere but I dont think that is going to be a likely scenario as US has talked about growing CLT with and without a merger.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:44 am

It is now Aug 8 and nary a word from WN!!!!

How about we end announcements that something will be announced on a given date.
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 1):
I am always suspicious about an announcement about another announcement in the future. AirTran was famous about this. Can't understand why they just can't make the announcement if thwy have decided to do something.

Of course, let's not forget the possibility of misinformation/bad rumors. But that never happens around here, right?  
 
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RE: Southwest - CLT Tomorrow?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:27 am

Why is it taking so long for them to announce service. There going to have to do it eventually
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