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First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:11 pm

D-ABYA is on its way to DEL, making it the second 747-8 destination served from FRA. You can follow the flight here:

http://www.flightradar24.com/DLH760

LH's second 747-8, D-ABYC, has been in service on the IAD route from July 25, alternating with D-ABYA.

http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/d-abya/
http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/d-abyc/
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):

Congrats to DEL to see that beauty in India. Unfortunately it arrives and departs in the dark, so I doubt many pictures of it arriving and departing there.
BLR will be next...

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 1):
BLR will be next...

I missed that one. So the order will be, as originally planned, IAD, DEL, BLR, ORD, LAX?
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 2):
I missed that one. So the order will be, as originally planned, IAD, DEL, BLR, ORD, LAX?

[ Edit Post ]

Almost: IAD, DEL, BLR, LAX, ORD. D-ABYD is about to join the fleet end of August and start flying in September. So the rumours say.

Will there be some sort of ceremony in DEL? Has there been something special in FRA or was it a normal flight?
I am not in FRA at the moment, so no clue what happened.

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:09 pm

The 2nd ever commercial 748 flight seems to go rather unnoticed, compared to the grand welcoming of the IAD flight.

Are water canon salutes given in the dark?.... I doubt there will be any grand ceremony at DEL. Fingers crossed!
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:14 pm

Is there really that high of a demand for C/F on DEL/BLR flights to justify the 748? I know LH has done its homework, but I am still a bit skeptical about it.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting blrsea (Reply 5):

Obviously it is for DEL, and to certain extent BLR as well. Besides 748 isn't adding that many extra seats either unlike the A380. If LH wants to fly in A380s to DEL so badly (in vain), then of course they'll send in the next best metal.
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:58 pm

I really hope LH has done their homework with the 747-8, because it's one of the most overly J-heavy configurations (relative to floor space) of any wide-body currently in service ... other than the obvious SQ A345s.

Too bad their winter IAD-FRA schedule is x23 ... and I *need* to fly on a Weds to connect to a TG flight ... sigh
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting blrsea (Reply 5):
Is there really that high of a demand for C/F on DEL/BLR flights to justify the 748?

I think both LH and BA have been operating 747-400 to BLR in the winter. I came back from BLR by BA in February and there wasnt a seat in the house on their 744 - so maybe there is a seasonal demand which would merit and even larger plane.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
I really hope LH has done their homework with the 747-8, because it's one of the most overly J-heavy configurations (relative to floor space) of any wide-body currently in service...

I believe LH have stated that they intend to send the 747-8 to cities where premium cabin demand is high, but (profitable) Economy traffic is not. Where demand for all cabins is high, the A380-800 will be deployed since it has a far larger Economy cabin.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 1):
BLR will be next...

        

Quoting blrsea (Reply 5):
Is there really that high of a demand for C/F on DEL/BLR flights to justify the 748?

I flew into BLR on a LH 744 a week ago and C was full.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:23 pm

Good move, LH!   

I flew on a LH 744 to BLR a few months ago, on a really old bird with the two seats per F passenger thingy. Hopefully that will now become a thing of the past.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 4):
The 2nd ever commercial 748 flight seems to go rather unnoticed, compared to the grand welcoming of the IAD flight.

That's a shame. But I guess it is only a new version of the 747, not a brandnew airplane like an A380 or so.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 5):
I know LH has done its homework, but I am still a bit skeptical about it.

I hope as well that the people making such decisions did their homework. But I trust these guys and I am positive they know what they do  
Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
I believe LH have stated that they intend to send the 747-8 to cities where premium cabin demand is high, but (profitable) Economy traffic is not. Where demand for all cabins is high, the A380-800 will be deployed since it has a far larger Economy cabin.

That is true. Even Boeing was surprised to see such a high number of seats in the C class section. But it fits in perfectly.

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3):
Almost: IAD, DEL, BLR, LAX, ORD. D-ABYD is about to join the fleet end of August and start flying in September. So the rumours say

I'd say this is correct due to the issues in ORD. I would say late 2nd, early 3rd quarter of 2013 for ORD assuming the FAA grants the waiver.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 13):
I'd say this is correct due to the issues in ORD. I would say late 2nd, early 3rd quarter of 2013 for ORD assuming the FAA grants the waiver.

And another reason is that the we need the 5th airplane to fly to all the destinations and it is not 100% certain if D-ABYE will be delivered in 2012. Doesn't look like.

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 6):
Obviously it is for DEL, and to certain extent BLR as well. Besides 748 isn't adding that many extra seats either unlike the A380. If LH wants to fly in A380s to DEL so badly (in vain), then of course they'll send in the next best metal.

748 has more number of C/F seats , while there is slight increase in Y. A380 has more Y seats compared to B748 , so it is not a direct comparision.

I know Y goes out full lots of times. In my last flight on LH in Y to BLR, the economy class was full while business class looked around 40-50% full (in may). So just wondering if more C/F was required.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:22 pm

Oh as far as I remember LH intended to deploy the A380 to India in 2010 already, but the Indian Government denied the approval. The traffic rights are only for 747... so therefore maybe they deploy the 748 to DEL and BLR exactly for this reason?
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
Quoting blrsea (Reply 5):
Is there really that high of a demand for C/F on DEL/BLR flights to justify the 748?

I flew into BLR on a LH 744 a week ago and C was full.

I doubt BLR has as much demand in economy as other cities in India. Bangalore historically has been a midsized city to the expatriate population from Bangalore is smaller than Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, etc. Secondly, Bangalore isn’t a particularly tourist friendly destination with nothing of interest to capture international tourism.

What BLR has is a large number of companies and a strong tech infrastructure. That fills up Business class. The 747-8 has 92 business class seats, so it is perfect for the market.

I think the 747-8 is being used to DEL as a compromise. The A380 likely would be better but is not allowed.
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:27 am

Quoting blrsea (Reply 15):

I know Y goes out full lots of times. In my last flight on LH in Y to BLR, the economy class was full while business class looked around 40-50% full (in may). So just wondering if more C/F was required.

I agree - Y is full very often, C and F rarely so. I honestly think that LH will switch to a high-Y layout on future 748s and those will be ideal for BLR.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 17):
What BLR has is a large number of companies and a strong tech infrastructure. That fills up Business class. The 747-8 has 92 business class seats, so it is perfect for the market.

Anecdotal evidence (flying in Y on this route at least 1-2 times a quarter for the past many years) tells me that J is rarely full - sure it will be full on the Monday/ Friday type flights. Y is full much more often and very high yielding for LH - given they end up hawking Y/ B/ M class often a month in advance of the flight.

I suspect the 748 is an overkill (in terms of premium capacity) for BLR, but hopefully LH has done the due research and thinks otherwise  .
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:04 am

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the issue with ORD and the 748? Is it weight?
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:14 am

Being associated with one of the partner companies of LH, the loads LH in BOM/DEL are always above 79%. Fri,Sat, Sun, the flight goes PACKED. Yes, i mean packed. DEL especially has better load factors than BOM, but i have no idea about BLR and MAA routes.
No wonder LH wants to put A380 to DEL, as its a very premium route for them. BLR is more of a "improvisation route", because BLR has not seen anything as big as LH and BA flying downtown. The response has been tremendous. For LH, i mean  
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:29 am

It received a traditional water canon salute at Delhi airport. There is a picture on Lufthansa India's FB page.
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:46 am

Quoting CiC (Reply 16):
Oh as far as I remember LH intended to deploy the A380 to India in 2010 already, but the Indian Government denied the approval. The traffic rights are only for 747... so therefore maybe they deploy the 748 to DEL and BLR exactly for this reason?

Exactly my point. The 744s serving DEL were pretty outdated with no PTVs and the like. An upgrade was badly needed to keep up with the competition.

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 21):
It received a traditional water canon salute at Delhi airport. There is a picture on Lufthansa India's FB page.

Was Hoping so...
           
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:52 am

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 23):
Courtesy: Mr. Devesh Agarwal.

Thank you sir. Much obliged.

BTW, this story has a full backgrounder white paper from LH on the B748i cabin. About mid-way down the article. http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...hansa-commences-boeing-747-8i.html

I am zapped by the 20.5" inch seats in Y class. If that is the case, LH is my first choice from now on.

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 14):
And another reason is that the we need the 5th airplane to fly to all the destinations and it is not 100% certain if D-ABYE will be delivered in 2012

If this has been asked and answered before I am sorry. Why aren't there a A-ABYB?


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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting CiC (Reply 16):
Oh as far as I remember LH intended to deploy the A380 to India in 2010 already, but the Indian Government denied the approval. The traffic rights are only for 747
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 17):
I think the 747-8 is being used to DEL as a compromise. The A380 likely would be better but is not allowed.

How long will this ban of the other VLA, which has the same number of engines as the B 748i*), exist? Are there any indications if and when it will be lifted?

*) this is my attempt of not going off-topic  
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 25):
If this has been asked and answered before I am sorry. Why aren't there a A-ABYB?

D-ABYB has been retired. It was a Boeing 747-100 performing flight LH540 and crashed at take-off at NBO enroute to JNB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_Flight_540
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):
D-ABYA is on its way to DEL, making it the second 747-8 destination served from FRA. You can follow the flight here:

LH's second 747-8, D-ABYC, has been in service on the IAD route from July 25, alternating with D-ABYA.

Why not D-ABYC on DEL route ? Any idea.
 
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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:09 am

Quoting rajrs (Reply 28):
Why not D-ABYC on DEL route ? Any idea.

Both airplanes will alternate between both destination and once D-ABVD will join the fleet all 3 will fly to all 748i destinations.

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:12 am

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RE: First 747-8 DEL Flight On Its Way

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:27 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 29):

Both airplanes will alternate between both destination and once D-ABVD will join the fleet all 3 will fly to all 748i destinations.

For some reason, the first four DEL flights (including tomorrow's) seem to be on D-ABYA, although the timing would be right to be able to swap planes. The DEL flight leaves FRA at 13:45 and the IAD flight at 13:00.

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