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UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:08 pm

Arriving on OH at BOS just after noon today, there was a UA 737-500 (N17619/ship # 0619) parked at gate A18. Does anyone know why UA was using a gate at the Terminal A Satellite?
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:34 pm

CO/UA has limited space at BOS (Term A wise), perhaps the aircraft had a MX issue and Delta didnt need the gates at the time?
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:10 pm

That's very odd indeed. Gate A18 belongs to DL (I think) and is used by AS for their SEA and PDX flights. DL mainline uses most (all?) of the Terminal A satellite.

I hear that things are tight over at Terminal A, like RL757PVD says. Was the aircraft an RON per chance? If not, RL757PVD's scenario seems to be the most likely.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:18 pm

It probably had to due with a charter operation United had today at Terminal A. UA1492 from CLE was upgraded to a B757-300 today to make up UA1821 to YVR. It was flying Cirque de Soleil cast out supposedly. When there is a 757 at A Main, it takes out the gate next to it due to the wingspan. So at that time, it may be busy there which forced the 737 to the Satellite building. The charter left an hour late also. Delta must have let United borrow the gate for the turn.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 2):
I hear that things are tight over at Terminal A, like RL757PVD says. Was the aircraft an RON per chance? If not, RL757PVD's scenario seems to be the most likely.

I would doubt it was an RON as this was at noon. Plus I believe DL has close to 20 departures from BOS at or before 0900 (meaning RON aircraft) so I they likely don't CO use their gates for RON's.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
CO/UA has limited space at BOS (Term A wise), perhaps the aircraft had a MX issue and Delta didnt need the gates at the time?

Perhaps, but BOS isn't all that busy for CO mid-day and the ERJ's to CLE can park at A9-A12.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting jcarv (Reply 3):
It probably had to due with a charter operation United had today at Terminal A. UA1492 from CLE was upgraded to a B757-300 today to make up UA1821 to YVR. It was flying Cirque de Soleil cast out supposedly. When there is a 757 at A Main, it takes out the gate next to it due to the wingspan. So at that time, it may be busy there which forced the 737 to the Satellite building.

That makes some sense, but it's a bit strange that they didn't run the charter out of Terminal C where they have plenty of 757-sized gates. IIRC the choice of terminals is based on the destination of the departing flight, so a flight from CLE could have gone to C.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:00 pm

True. I don't know their reasoning for running it out of Terminal A.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
IIRC the choice of terminals is based on the destination of the departing flight, so a flight from CLE could have gone to C.

The choice of terminal is based on the destination/origin city. If the plane is going to/from CLE, EWR, or IAH, it will use terminal A. If it is going to/from IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, or LAX, the plane will use terminal C. So in other words, the CLE flight could theoretically have used terminal C, but the convention that is being used right now means that it had to go to terminal A.
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:07 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 4):
and the ERJ's to CLE can park at A9-A12.

A9-A12 are ground-level RJ gates, right?

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 7):
The choice of terminal is based on the destination/origin city. If the plane is going to/from CLE, EWR, or IAH, it will use terminal A. If it is going to/from IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, or LAX, the plane will use terminal C. So in other words, the CLE flight could theoretically have used terminal C, but the convention that is being used right now means that it had to go to terminal A.

   Exactly. What this essentially means is that actual UA flights use Terminal C while former-CO flights use Terminal A. Confusing, isn't it? I blame it all on the merger.   
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:51 pm

This has been going on for a while now. I have seen several Denver flights arrive to A instead of C (not sure if they are then moved to C for the outgoing flight). My experiences have been on the weekends--I have customers arriving that I meet at the airport, and at least 3 times this summer, I've been waiting at C and they've called me to tell me that their plane was directed to A.

As for combining operations here in BOS, the area between the two wings at B is blocked off by Jersey barriers now, but no other real work has happened yet. With Eagle no longer operating at BOS, most of this space was unused anyway. The space in terminal B where the Eagle gates were located has also been stripped to the studs (no walls or fixtures, wires hanging out of the ceiling), not sure if that's being done by AA or Massport.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:09 pm

United arrives at both terminals no matter where they departed. If the aircraft turns into a EWR, CLE, or IAH flight, then it arrives in A. Many people are even more confused by this. With UA cross-fleeting, they have aircraft that go ORD-BOS-IAH or DEN-BOS-EWR so those particular aircraft will arrive at Terminal A.

As for the area in Terminal B you speak of, the old AE area, this will be the new home of United. It's about a year to 1.5 years off. Total remodel and addition. I believe it will consist of 8 gates minimum. Both sides of B will become connected during this process as well.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 7):
The choice of terminal is based on the destination/origin city. If the plane is going to/from CLE, EWR, or IAH, it will use terminal A. If it is going to/from IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, or LAX, the plane will use terminal C.

I don't believe that is quite correct; my understanding is that the choice of terminal is being driven by the destination from BOS; the aircraft are operating trips like EWR-BOS-IAD or LAX-BOS-EWR. In the case of the former, the flights operated to/from Terminal C while the latter flights operated at Terminal A.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 8):
A9-A12 are ground-level RJ gates, right?

Yes; there are actually seven parking positions IIRC. They're incredibly convenient for arrivals since there's a direct hallway to the baggage claim/arrivals hall.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 8):
What this essentially means is that actual UA flights use Terminal C while former-CO flights use Terminal A. Confusing, isn't it?

Not quite, since they have PMCO flights operating routes like BOS-ORD/DEN/LAX/SFO/IAD (based on 738's/739's in the schedule).
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 7):
Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
IIRC the choice of terminals is based on the destination of the departing flight, so a flight from CLE could have gone to C.

The choice of terminal is based on the destination/origin city. If the plane is going to/from CLE, EWR, or IAH, it will use terminal A. If it is going to/from IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, or LAX, the plane will use terminal C. So in other words, the CLE flight could theoretically have used terminal C, but the convention that is being used right now means that it had to go to terminal A.

So what if there is a flight from ORD operated by a PMCO aircraft? Does it go to A or C?
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
So what if there is a flight from ORD operated by a PMCO aircraft? Does it go to A or C?

If it is departing to ORD it would be at C...
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
So what if there is a flight from ORD operated by a PMCO aircraft? Does it go to A or C?

It depends where that airplane is going after BOS. If going to IAH/CLE/EWR it will normally go to A. ORD/IAD/SFO/DEN/LAX it will normally go to C.
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:44 pm

BOS seems like a hot mess right now with United and the gate locations for certain cities. Can they even fit a 757 at A if it's flying to IAH or EWR?
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting jcarv (Reply 10):
United arrives at both terminals no matter where they departed. If the aircraft turns into a EWR, CLE, or IAH flight, then it arrives in A. Many people are even more confused by this. With UA cross-fleeting, they have aircraft that go ORD-BOS-IAH or DEN-BOS-EWR so those particular aircraft will arrive at Terminal A.

  

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
I don't believe that is quite correct; my understanding is that the choice of terminal is being driven by the destination from BOS; the aircraft are operating trips like EWR-BOS-IAD or LAX-BOS-EWR. In the case of the former, the flights operated to/from Terminal C while the latter flights operated at Terminal A.

  

What you are saying makes a lot of sense, so I just checked it out on flightstats as to what gates some of the inbound EWR and IAD flights are coming into, and you are correct. Because of the cross fleeting all of the flights are departing from their respective former airline positions ( CO at A, and UA at C) as Massport, my experience, and AlnessW said, but the flights are arriving to whichever terminal handles the appropriate destination city of the aircraft once it has turned around.

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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 15):

A 757 can fit at A and does. They have been running a lot of IAH flights with 757. However, it occupies 2 gates due to its size. They only have 4 jetway gates at A.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting rob2507 (Reply 9):
The space in terminal B where the Eagle gates were located has also been stripped to the studs (no walls or fixtures, wires hanging out of the ceiling),

What gates in B2 did American Eagle use?

Quoting rob2507 (Reply 9):
not sure if that's being done by AA or Massport.

My prediction would be Massport work.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 10):
Both sides of B will become connected during this process as well.

Yep, I have also heard of plans to connect Terminal C and E, airside.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Yes; there are actually seven parking positions IIRC. They're incredibly convenient for arrivals since there's a direct hallway to the baggage claim/arrivals hall.

Cool, I don't think I was aware of that. BOS always seems to have the best exit lane designs; they always get you out of security and to baggage claim really quickly and easily (and without having to walk through ticketing/departures).

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 15):
BOS seems like a hot mess right now with United and the gate locations for certain cities.

I agree.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting jcarv (Reply 17):
A 757 can fit at A and does. They have been running a lot of IAH flights with 757. However, it occupies 2 gates due to its size. They only have 4 jetway gates at A.

I guess they can afford to right now. UA isn't using 12 gates at the same time (5 in A, 7 in C)
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 19):
UA isn't using 12 gates at the same time (5 in A, 7 in C)

I count 8 in Terminal C. Did B6 get another gate on that pier? (C14?)
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:14 pm

UAL has C15-C21 (7) and jetBlue has C11, C12, & C14. There is no C13.
 
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RE: UA 737-500 @ BOS Terminal A Satellite?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting jcarv (Reply 21):
UAL has C15-C21 (7)
Quoting jcarv (Reply 21):
There is no C13.

  

Quoting jcarv (Reply 21):
and jetBlue has C11, C12, & C14.

Cool, thanks. I knew B6 had taken over C11 and C12 (even before the new checkpoint was built) but I wasn't sure about C14.