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DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:07 pm

Starting in December, DL will utilize the 77E on the late DTW-AMS route. This is an upgauge in capacity for the winter.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting delta764 (Thread starter):
DL will utilize the 77E on the late DTW-AMS route

That is on DL248/249.

Is this the first time that DL will use the 777 to AMS?
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):

I know this will be the first time a Delta Triple 7 has seen 'scheduled' service to a European market in some years.

[Edited 2012-08-06 13:40:28]
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:34 pm

For sure its the first transatlantic 777 to AMS from DTW...at one time DL used the 777 on ATL-AMS, and i think maybe even a few times on CVG-AMS.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:36 pm

Nice. Years ago DL sometimes used the 777 to AMS but that was from ATL or JFK I guess.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 4):
Nice. Years ago DL sometimes used the 777 to AMS but that was from ATL or JFK I guess.

DL also used to fly CVG-AMS with the 777.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting widget1580 (Reply 5):
DL also used to fly CVG-AMS with the 777.

Sounds like a lot of plane for such a small market. Interesting though.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:43 pm

Very nice! I don't recall seeing a DL 777 at AMS before. Summer loads sometimes even call for a 747, but I wouldn't have expected a capacity upgrade in winter season!

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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:49 pm

It's good to see DL optimizing the number of seats on DTW-AMS. The 777 provides an intermediate upgauge over the A332 compared to using the A333.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:52 pm

With the 777 rotation in DTW, I wouldnt be suprised if the LR made an occasional trip to AMS.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:53 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 6):
Sounds like a lot of plane for such a small market. Interesting though.

It's not a small market--DL operates 4 A330's a day plus a 757 during some seasons DTW-AMS. Some seasons there is a 744 thrown in the mix, too. Remember, DL has a HUGE hub in AMS with worldwide connections. AMS flights are normally totally packed with many connections to eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa and most cities within Europe in conjunction with KL.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 8):
It's good to see DL optimizing the number of seats on DTW-AMS. The 777 provides an intermediate upgauge over the A332 compared to using the A333.

It's probably just a place to stick the DTWHKG 777 shell until they find another place to put it.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:56 pm

The B772s were common as muck on ATL-LGW, it's high time we saw them back at LHR ( he wished!)
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
It's not a small market--DL operates 4 A330's a day plus a 757 during some seasons DTW-AMS.

He was talking about CVG-AMS.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 7):
but I wouldn't have expected a capacity upgrade in winter season!

Both CDG and AMS can sometimes get upgauges during the winter due to the pulldown in the other European flying from ATL and JFK. For example, JFK-AMS on Delta metal will be an A333 this winter (whereas it is usually a 763ER or A332 during the summer); JFK-CDG will be a 764ER starting December, whereas it has been a 763ER during the summer.

During the summer, with all the seasonal nonstops out of the US gateways, there are many more options for the traveler to reach those secondary European destinations, whereas in the winter, because of the seasonal cutbacks, many of those same destinations can only be reached via AMS and/or CDG, so they often upgauge AMS and CDG....

[Edited 2012-08-06 14:41:41]
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:43 pm

for a brief time, KLM as part of Skyteam was flying AMS-DTW on a 777. Its great to see Delta doing this! How about DTW-DXB??!!
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 14):
Both CDG and AMS can sometimes get upgauges during the winter due to the pulldown in the other European flying from ATL and JFK. For example, JFK-AMS on Delta metal will be an A333 this winter (whereas it is usually a 763ER or A332 during the summer); JFK-CDG will be a 764ER starting December, whereas it has been a 763ER during the summer.

But them using a 777 is a surprise. Apparently they have not used the 777 to Europe in some time.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:57 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):

DL so used the 777s on ATL-FRA in the beginning,

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
thrown

I believe he was calling CVG-AMS a small market, not DTW-AMS.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17):
DL so used the 777s on ATL-FRA in the beginning,

ATL-FRA, ATL-CDG, ATL-LGW, to name a few. DL only had 8 for the longest. ATL-NRT required 2 T7s. The rest only offered a limited amount of routes.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:22 am

Just to be clear - it isn't a capacity upgrade. The A330-300 in DL config seats a good many more people.

I am confused by this unless they're expecting a surge in premium demand - or if this plane continues to India and they need it there.

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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
Remember, DL has a HUGE hub in AMS with worldwide connections.

Really??

I thought AMS was a HUGE hub for KL, not DL. Excluding US destinations, how many worldwide destinations are served by DL ex AMS? And what are the destinations?
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:57 am

Well KL and DL are basically the same company across the Atlantic, so everywhere KL flies DL flies.

Also, they fly to at least BLR and BOM, if not more.

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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 21):
Well KL and DL are basically the same company across the Atlantic, so everywhere KL flies DL flies.

Also, they fly to at least BLR and BOM, if not more.

AMS-BOM is the only route on DL metal ex AMS. Inherited from NW.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:13 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 22):
AMS-BOM is the only route on DL metal ex AMS. Inherited from NW.

Thanks.

So, not a HUGE DL hub with worldwide connections.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:50 am

Quoting questions (Reply 23):
Thanks.

So, not a HUGE DL hub with worldwide connections.

Onward connections on DL metal, no. But AMS is still a pretty sizable hub for DL and in the context of the other posters, yes it does offer worldwide connections. DL's code is on a HUGE chunk of KL's flights out of Schiphol. Also, DL enjoys JV/ATI on every single KL flight across the Atlantic; even to non DL hubs (ie. AMS-DFW/ORD, etc.). It's pretty much as if it's DL.

DL's schedule from AMS on 8/10 (DL metal not counting KL metal)

ATL 1x 333, 1x 332, 1x 763
BOM 1x 763
BOS 1x 333, 1x 763
DTW 3x 333, 1x 332
EWR 1x 763
JFK 1x 332
MSP 1x 333, 1x 332, 1x 763
PDX 1x 333
SEA 1x 333, 1x 763

That's approximately 3,998 seats one way and that's not even counting the KL flights to which DL enjoys ATI on
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:53 am

Quoting questions (Reply 23):
So, not a HUGE DL hub with worldwide connections.

It really is a hub for DL as they use KLM as onward transporter for their PAX. Basically, KLMs European network is indirectly DLs also. Furthermore, once you see the whole E concourse occupied by DL jets you will understand how big their operation at AMS is.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:44 am

DTWAMS - capacity increase from 332 to 777 (also with lie-flat seats) from 14 Dec 12 to 28 Feb 13 on the DL 248/9 rotation. This will be the first flight to offer the Business Elite flat seat to/from AMS.

So, it's only partial of the Winter 12/13 schedules...
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:18 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 19):
Just to be clear - it isn't a capacity upgrade. The A330-300 in DL config seats a good many more people.

It is in fact an increase in seats. It's replacing the 332. DL 252 and 619 remain as 333s.

332 - 32J 207Y
777 - 45J 224Y

Just looking at the schedules for the winter, they were able to work in the T7 easier to upgrade the flight vs. fitting in an additional 333.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:10 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):

Kind of. The LR's are getting into some MX work over the winter.

Quoting questions (Reply 20):

Its a hub for KLM. For some reason if an airline has a JV with someone, people start saying crap like this. American has huge hubs at MAD/LHR and NRT too.  
Quoting gigneil (Reply 21):

DL only does AMS-BOM.

AMS-DEL(KL) and AMS-BOM are both a part of the TATL JV.(even though none are TATL flights, Also none of AF's flights to India are a part of the JV)
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:04 pm

It's part capacity upgrade, but it also works out better to use a 77E than an A330. They can utilize the 77E that arrives in DTW from ICN and PVG for the last DTW-AMS flight of the evening.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 29):
It's part capacity upgrade, but it also works out better to use a 77E than an A330. They can utilize the 77E that arrives in DTW from ICN and PVG for the last DTW-AMS flight of the evening.


But why only for 3 months as the poster from reply 26 suggests?
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting delta764 (Reply 3):
and i think maybe even a few times on CVG-AMS.

Actually it was CVG-CDG on a 777. I flew that flight on the way from BOM-CDG-CVG-SEA. I would have to say that CDG-CVG 777 flight in B-class was arguably the single most enjoyable flight I'd ever been on.

I'm not aware if DL ever did any other 777s about of CVG but definitely did CDG for awhile with it.

Interestingly AF still has an A340 CVG-CDG also. Our DL 777 left about the same time as the A340, but the latter arrive about 45 minutes later.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting questions (Reply 20):
Really??

I thought AMS was a HUGE hub for KL, not DL. Excluding US destinations, how many worldwide destinations are served by DL ex AMS? And what are the destinations?
Quoting questions (Reply 23):


The Delta hub at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport offers more capacity and movements than any other DL European operation. The hub makes a huge contribution to DL's transatlantic capacity offered within the SKYTEAM Joint Venture.

Here are all DL arrivals at AMS for Wednesday 8 August 2012:

ARRIVAL:
05:40 Nairobi DL 9496 Delta Air Lines
05:40 Lagos DL 9477 Delta Air Lines
05:45 New Delhi DL 9438 Delta Air Lines
05:50 Boston DL 0230 Delta Air Lines
05:55 Atlanta DL 0174 Delta Air Lines
05:55 Detroit DL 0252 Delta Air Lines
06:00 New York JFK DL 0070 Delta Air Lines
06:00 Dubai DL 9321 Delta Air Lines
06:05 Bahrain DL 9685 Delta Air Lines
06:05 Abu Dhabi DL 9685 Delta Air Lines
06:25 Minneapolis DL 0258 Delta Air Lines
06:50 Toronto DL 9398 Delta Air Lines
06:55 Chicago DL 9383 Delta Air Lines
07:00 Accra DL 9373 Delta Air Lines
07:00 Addis Abeba DL 9469 Delta Air Lines
07:00 Khartoum DL 9469 Delta Air Lines
07:05 Dar Es Salaam DL 9349 Delta Air Lines
07:05 Kilimanjaro DL 9349 Delta Air Lines
07:10 Billund DL 9402 Delta Air Lines
07:10 Dusseldorf DL 9439 Delta Air Lines
07:15 Brussels DL 9424 Delta Air Lines
07:15 Hamburg DL 9323 Delta Air Lines
07:15 Mumbai DL 0603 Delta Air Lines
07:20 Berlin Tegel DL 9518 Delta Air Lines
07:20 Hanover DL 9293 Delta Air Lines
07:25 Luxembourg DL 9305 Delta Air Lines
07:25 New York JFK DL 9357 Delta Air Lines
07:25 Copenhagen DL 9362 Delta Air Lines
07:25 Cologne DL 9432 Delta Air Lines
07:30 Stuttgart DL 9505 Delta Air Lines
07:30 Nuremberg DL 9295 Delta Air Lines
07:40 Aalborg DL 9510 Delta Air Lines
07:40 Almaty DL 9342 Delta Air Lines
07:40 Washington DL 9385 Delta Air Lines
07:45 Gothenburg DL 9291 Delta Air Lines
07:50 Kristiansand DL 9698 Delta Air Lines
07:50 Stavanger DL 9309 Delta Air Lines
07:50 Bordeaux DL 9420 Delta Air Lines
07:50 Newark DL 0034 Delta Air Lines
07:50 Montreal DL 9392 Delta Air Lines
07:55 Sandefjord DL 9516 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:05 Linkoping DL 9478 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:05 Warsaw DL 9279 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:05 Detroit DL 0619 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:05 Cairo DL 9428 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:05 Helsinki DL 9311 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:10 Bergen DL 9307 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:10 Toulouse DL 9512 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:10 Norwich DL 9351 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:10 Boston DL 0604 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:10 Bologna DL 9418 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:15 Humberside DL 9371 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:15 Calgary DL 9396 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:15 Houston DL 9387 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:20 Kiev DL 9462 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:20 Birmingham DL 9297 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:20 Istanbul DL 9465 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:20 Manchester DL 9367 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:20 Oslo DL 9285 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:25 Nice DL 9497 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:25 Frankfurt DL 9449 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:25 Atlanta DL 0238 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:25 Nantes DL 8383 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:25 Budapest DL 9694 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:30 Portland DL 0178 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:30 Seattle DL 0232 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:30 Newcastle DL 9299 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:30 Cardiff DL 9369 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:30 Durham Teesvall DL 9359 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:30 Zurich DL 9524 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:35 Edinburgh DL 9354 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:35 Marseille DL 9489 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:35 Madrid DL 9483 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:35 Stockholm DL 9275 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:35 Bristol DL 9422 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Aberdeen DL 9303 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Glasgow DL 9538 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Milan Linate DL 9495 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Paris de Gaulle DL 8400 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Lyon DL 8376 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Turin DL 8218 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Munich DL 9491 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:40 Prague DL 8732 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:45 Trondheim DL 9332 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:45 Venice DL 9377 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:45 Tel Aviv DL 9514 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:45 Basle DL 9317 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:50 Leeds Bradford DL 9365 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:50 Rome DL 9447 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:50 Barcelona DL 9678 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:50 Vienna DL 9281 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
08:55 Los Angeles DL 9379 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:00 Bucharest DL 9289 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:00 Florence DL 8146 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:00 London Heathrow DL 9472 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:00 Geneva DL 9455 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:05 Detroit DL 0234 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:10 Brussels DL 9425 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:10 Paris de Gaulle DL 8529 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:15 San Francisco DL 9381 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:15 Dusseldorf DL 9440 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:45 Lusaka DL 9389 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:55 Billund DL 9335 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
09:55 Hamburg DL 9283 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:15 Paris de Gaulle DL 9429 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:20 Vancouver DL 9394 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:30 Johannesburg DL 9466 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:35 Prague DL 9504 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:35 Berlin Tegel DL 9519 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:45 Glasgow DL 9657 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:45 Minneapolis DL 0264 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:50 Atlanta DL 0033 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:50 Geneva DL 9456 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
10:55 Milan Linate DL 8161 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:00 Gothenburg DL 9453 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:00 Paris de Gaulle DL 9665 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:00 Zurich DL 9525 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:05 London Heathrow DL 9473 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:05 Munich DL 9492 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:10 Lisbon DL 9476 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:10 Bristol DL 9423 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:15 Stuttgart DL 9647 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:20 Oslo DL 9502 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:20 Vienna DL 9522 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:25 Strasbourg DL 8390 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:25 Memphis DL 0594 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:25 Cardiff DL 9437 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:30 Frankfurt DL 9589 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:30 Rome DL 8139 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:30 Detroit DL 0248 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:30 Newcastle DL 9652 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:30 Leeds Bradford DL 9470 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:35 Stavanger DL 9508 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:35 Aberdeen DL 9405 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:35 Copenhagen DL 9434 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:35 Nuremberg DL 9500 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:40 Paris de Gaulle DL 9430 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:40 Birmingham DL 9414 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:40 Manchester DL 9486 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:40 Stockholm DL 9277 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:45 Edinburgh DL 9445 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
11:45 Norwich DL 9501 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:00 Cologne DL 9433 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:00 Humberside DL 9464 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:10 New York JFK DL 9347 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:10 Toronto DL 9399 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:15 Luxembourg DL 9482 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:20 Brussels DL 9426 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:20 Hanover DL 9458 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:25 London Heathrow DL 9474 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:35 Durham Teesvall DL 9488 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:45 Frankfurt DL 9450 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:50 Bergen DL 9413 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:50 Milan Linate DL 9404 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
12:55 Paris de Gaulle DL 8531 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:00 Madrid DL 9484 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:00 Minneapolis DL 0244 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:05 Billund DL 9416 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:05 Seattle DL 0153 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:05 Atlanta DL 9375 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:10 Rome DL 9448 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:10 Copenhagen DL 9435 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:15 Kristiansand DL 9330 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:15 Toulouse DL 9676 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:20 Glasgow DL 9452 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:25 Aalborg DL 9480 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:25 Barcelona DL 9411 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:25 Munich DL 9493 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:25 Dusseldorf DL 9441 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:25 Stuttgart DL 9506 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:30 Sandefjord DL 9517 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:30 Birmingham DL 9415 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:30 Berlin Tegel DL 9520 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:30 Zurich DL 9526 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:35 Aberdeen DL 9444 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:35 Manchester DL 9487 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:35 Hamburg DL 9460 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:35 Geneva DL 9457 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:40 Stavanger DL 9509 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:40 Edinburgh DL 9446 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:40 Oslo DL 9503 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:40 Gothenburg DL 9454 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
13:45 Lyon DL 8380 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:00 Marseille DL 9490 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:05 Paris de Gaulle DL 8537 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:05 London Heathrow DL 9475 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:35 Nice DL 9498 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:35 Bologna DL 9419 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:35 Trondheim DL 9515 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:35 Venice DL 9521 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
14:40 Warsaw DL 9523 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:10 Milan Linate DL 9582 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:15 Stockholm DL 9408 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:20 Budapest DL 9696 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:25 Rome DL 9315 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:30 Brussels DL 9427 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:30 Helsinki DL 9463 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:35 Billund DL 9417 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:35 Prague DL 9693 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:35 Barcelona DL 9412 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:35 Dusseldorf DL 9442 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:35 Nuremberg DL 9669 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:40 Madrid DL 9485 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:40 Munich DL 9668 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:40 Hanover DL 9459 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:45 Bucharest DL 9681 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:45 Newcastle DL 9499 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:50 Birmingham DL 9654 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:50 Gothenburg DL 9658 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
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15:55 Paris de Gaulle DL 9431 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
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15:55 Hamburg DL 9461 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:55 Berlin Tegel DL 9691 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:55 Geneva DL 9662 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
15:55 Zurich DL 9690 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
16:00 Edinburgh DL 9656 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
16:00 Copenhagen DL 9611 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
16:05 Bordeaux DL 9287 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
16:05 Oslo DL 9677 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
16:10 Kiev DL 9467 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
16:10 Vienna DL 9343 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
17:15 London Heathrow DL 9292 Delta Air Lines Verwacht Details
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 32):
Here are all DL arrivals at AMS for Wednesday 8 August 2012:

You do know that the vast majority of those flights are code share flights, not operated by DL themselves, right?
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:01 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
You do know that the vast majority of those flights are code share flights, not operated by DL themselves, right?

At the end of the day, does it really matter?Metal neutrality is the keyword.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 32):
within the SKYTEAM Joint Venture.

I'm not sure the JV and SkyTeam are the same thing, they just happen to be members of SkyTeam as well. The JV applies only to AF, DL, KL and Alitalia.

Interesting to see this added to the schedule. Makes me wish I would have booked my flight to AMS from DTW instead of ORD on KL. I'm booked on a 77E from DTW-LAX in September as well. Clearly a repo flight, but nice nonetheless.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 28):
Its a hub for KLM. For some reason if an airline has a JV with someone, people start saying crap like this. American has huge hubs at MAD/LHR and NRT too.

I would say this is quite a hub for DL.....

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 24):
DL's schedule from AMS on 8/10 (DL metal not counting KL metal)

ATL 1x 333, 1x 332, 1x 763
BOM 1x 763
BOS 1x 333, 1x 763
DTW 3x 333, 1x 332
EWR 1x 763
JFK 1x 332
MSP 1x 333, 1x 332, 1x 763
PDX 1x 333
SEA 1x 333, 1x 763
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting factsonly (Reply 32):
SKYTEAM Joint Venture

To be factual, not all of skyteam is a JV.

KL-AF-DL, is.

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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 34):

Yes, it does matter. You shouldn't say that DL has a hub in AMS but that DL offers connections to many places worldwide through its partner KLM from Schiphol airport. DL can only claim a hub if it has a full complement of operational staff at a given location with its associated administrative structure and a sizable volume of connecting passengers. It's like saying KL or AF have a hub in ATL. Completely false and full of negligent PR spin that cheapens the real value of the DL/KL/AF/AZ JV. It is largely sufficient that DL has hubs at ATL, CVG, SLC, MEM, MSP, DTW, NRT and to a smaller extent LGA and JFK.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:00 am

Quoting hooverman (Reply 30):
But why only for 3 months as the poster from reply 26 suggests?

There are many variables that factor into equipment choice on a given route.

One of which is aircraft routing/availability, maintaining minimum hours/utilization in a given fleet type, etc.

DTW-AMS does not really need a 77E, and has traditionally been flown with A330's, and the occasional 767, (and 744).

The A330 fleet will be heavily utilized this winter, there is extra capacity in the 77E fleet.
 
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:04 am

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 38):
Yes, it does matter. You shouldn't say that DL has a hub in AMS but that DL offers connections to many places worldwide through its partner KLM from Schiphol airport. DL can only claim a hub if it has a full complement of operational staff at a given location with its associated administrative structure and a sizable volume of connecting passengers. It's like saying KL or AF have a hub in ATL. Completely false and full of negligent PR spin that cheapens the real value of the DL/KL/AF/AZ JV. It is largely sufficient that DL has hubs at ATL, CVG, SLC, MEM, MSP, DTW, NRT and to a smaller extent LGA and JFK.

They fly a/c (including KL metal) across the Atlantic and dump the pax; either being local traffic or onward connections on KL. By today's standards, if the airline calls it a hub it's a hub IMHO. WN has no official "hubs" but we tend to say that BWI, MDW, LAS, DEN etc. are hubs for WN. They don't call them as such though.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:05 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 34):

JV is for TATL and India flights only. I don't remember AMS-LHR being TATL or in India.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 36):

18 flights? lol if that is a hub then so is damn near every city Delta has flights to.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 37):
KL-AF-DL, is.

AZ also.
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RE: DL Using 77E On DTW-AMS

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 41):
18 flights? lol if that is a hub then so is damn near every city Delta has flights to.

Why lol? 18 flights to a city on the other side of the atlantic connecting to KL's network is hubbing, sure DL fly to multiple cities in Europe but AMS has 18 daily, whats next LHR, CDG? Even they may be hubs to some places. DL hub at NRT in Asia even though they now have non stops from the US to several other destinations in Asia.

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