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Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:31 pm

Several sources have rumored today that Delta's wholly owned ground handler Regional Elite Airline Services (the spin off of Comair and Mesaba's ACS departments) will be either closing down or merging with Delta Global Services. I've been saying for years that I think it would be smart to merge Delta's two wholly owned ground handlers into one operation. Anyone else heard these rumors?
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:01 pm

wondering here myself .... EYW?
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:30 pm

Very interesting. It does make sense though to have the outsourcing companies under one roof. It would be a big benefactor for DGS and DL in the long run because both companies seem to be doing well. But have not heard anything on the ground handling magazine sites.

Side note there is a write up on DGS.

http://www.rampequipmentnews.com/emag1/indexPop.htm
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:40 pm

DGS is already doing some back office work for Regional Elite and I think both companies could bring experience and skill to the table to make a better combined company. I just hope they take the best of both companies like pay, flight benefits, etc, etc. I realize all of the above are marginal in respect to mainline but DGS still has worse flight benefits than Regional, for example.

If Regional were to just close up shop and not merge or get bought by anyone, who would handle the 50+ stations they do for Delta, United, USAirways, etc? Interestingly enough, I just went to their website and noticed it is only one page now. Related or not? I'm not sure...
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:46 pm

just got the letter from our VP. REAS will be disolved by end of year.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 3):
I think both companies could bring experience and skill to the table to make a better combined company.

Both are good at what they do so hopefully it could only get better. DGS is unique, it seems that they stick to domestic and regional contracts, they do not go after the international contracts like other handlers.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 3):
I just hope they take the best of both companies like pay, flight benefits, etc, etc.

What is pay at REAS like? DGS pay is the same as Servisair and WFS...

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 3):
DGS still has worse flight benefits than Regional, for example.

Does DGS only get DL benefits? I know DGS employees have a standby code of S3C, while active DL employees have S3.

[Edited 2012-08-07 12:53:03]

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just got the letter from our VP. REAS will be disolved by end of year.

Sorry to hear that, any word of coming together with DGS or just shutting up shop?


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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:00 pm

More info to come but DGS is supposedly going to offer everyone a jobs but we will see I guess.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:00 pm

Just to add another *rumored* twist to all of this, there's been talk of M/L taking over the work handled by REAS in MSP & DTW for quite awhile now...
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 7):
Just to add another *rumored* twist to all of this, there's been talk of M/L taking over the work handled by REAS in MSP & DTW for quite awhile now...

That would not be a bad thing. Especially now that the union is out, there is nothing stopping them from doing that.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:12 pm

How will this affect the required amount of employees that must be Minnesota based? I thought that Regional had their headquarters there out in building C, if they are shutting down is DGS moving shop to MSP?
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:31 pm

Interesting. REAS handles ground for UA and DL here at FWA; before the DL/NW merger, OH handled UA and DL (they took over UA from OO) while 9E/PinnPro handled NW. (Eagle handles their own planes plus G4 flights that were previously handled by LaBov & Beyond Business Aviation, a private-jet arm of a prominent Fort Wayne ad agency).

I've thought of some possible scenarios for FWA. PinnPro is being shut down too, so that's not an option anymore:
-DL and UA both transition to DGS
-DL transitions to DGS while UA rebids and returns to OO
-DL and UA both rebid and both become OO ground handled
-DL transitions to DGS and UA leaves FWA entirely (not likely with the high LFs at FWA across the board, but one never knows)

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:39 pm

So it sounds like Regional is just going away by the end of the year and all of their cities are up for bid. It has been mentioned that DGS has already been awarded a large number of these cities.

It has also been said that DGS will be offering Regional employees jobs in the same locations but I wonder what kind of pay and seniority considerations will be given, if any? I could see DGS offering everyone jobs at $9 an hour (starting wage in many cities) and day one seniority and saying "take it or leave it." Does anyone think they'll give special accommodations to attract the employees that already know the city's operation?

Lastly, and the thought on my mind the most, does DGS presently do any passenger or above wing handling for Delta? I know they do ramp all over the nation for many airlines but what about gate or ticket counter handling for Delta? I would hope my former Regional Elite station of Omaha would become DGS ramp and mainline above wing. It seems like a city big enough to justify mainline above wing handling. I know my former coworkers would much rather start over on seniority and wages to work for mainline than to work for DGS.

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 11):
I know my former coworkers would much rather start over on seniority and wages to work for mainline than to work for DGS.

I think most people in it for the travel benefits would. As far as "career employees", I could see them leaving the industry altogether rather than start fresh.

That being said... I think DL should just do mainline above/below wing everywhere. Keep it inhouse, so when the station doesn't meet operational goals, they can only blame themselves.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12):

That being said... I think DL should just do mainline above/below wing everywhere. Keep it inhouse, so when the station doesn't meet operational goals, they can only blame themselves.

That'd be wonderful for everyone but Delta! Even Southwest who has historically lived by this business plan is looking to outsource now! I agree with you Kai but I think we're living in a dream world!
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 7):
Just to add another *rumored* twist to all of this, there's been talk of M/L taking over the work handled by REAS in MSP & DTW for quite awhile now...

They're going to keep that card in their back pocket a little longer; until times get hard.

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 5):
Does DGS only get DL benefits? I know DGS employees have a standby code of S3C, while active DL employees have S3.

Yeah, but you could ID90 if you knew what you were doing. Technically, though, DGS was S3C on Delta only, though I never got bumped for being 3C.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
That would not be a bad thing. Especially now that the union is out, there is nothing stopping them from doing that.

There was nothing stopping it before.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 11):
So it sounds like Regional is just going away by the end of the year and all of their cities are up for bid. It has been mentioned that DGS has already been awarded a large number of these cities.

Correct.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12):
I think DL should just do mainline above/below wing everywhere.

We should b so lucky!

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 14):
They're going to keep that card in their back pocket a little longer; until times get hard.

You & I have discussed this before. I still think your theory has merit.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 15):

Yeah, but you could ID90 if you knew what you were doing. Technically, though, DGS was S3C on Delta only, though I never got bumped for being 3C.

Aren't DGS employees S4 on everyone but mainline? I remember working ASA and Skywest flights with DGS employees nonreving and noticed they were S4.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:19 pm

It is understood that in cities where DGS has won the DL contract, REAS emps will be offered jobs and will be able to keep their seniority dates. However, all jobs will be at a new hire rate of pay.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:29 pm

DATE: August 7, 2012
TO: Regional Elite People
FROM: Don Stephens, Senior Vice President
RE: RFP Results and Regional Elite Transition
Throughout the airline industry – and in many cases the global economy – organizations large and small continue to look for ways to stay competitive. For us, this means providing the safest, highest quality service to mainline and regional customers, while driving toward greater efficiency and value. Delta’s recent RFP for ground handling services across more than 100 regional stations is one of many examples of this trend.
Our team has worked hard to run a strong operation for our customers. However, our cost structure kept us from effectively competing with other aviation service providers in this RFP. Unfortunately, we were not awarded the work in the vast majority of these locations, which will mean higher overhead costs spread across a smaller number of stations.
With very limited opportunities to maintain or grow our business, we will not be a viable company moving forward. As a result, we have made the decision to transition all of our remaining work to other aviation service providers by the end of the year. Having said that, we believe this transition will result in jobs being available at the same locations with the new providers for the vast majority of our people.
In light of these changes, yesterday Delta also issued an RFP for the DTW and MSP regional hub operations we currently handle. This work will transition to another service provider as well, with the result of the RFP being communicated to us in early September. Since the scope of work in the hub RFPs is the same as we currently provide, we also anticipate that the new supplier will need most if not all of our hub people.
The decision to transition Regional Elite operations was not easy, nor made lightly, and it certainly is not a reflection of your professionalism or dedication to each other and the customers you serve every day. It is a reflection of the current state of the airline industry. Mainline carriers like Delta face incredible cost pressures and the ongoing reductions of smaller regional jets have added significant pressure on regional suppliers. We’ve seen this with the recent announcements that Comair and PinnPro Ground Services are ceasing operations. ExpressJet and SkyWest have drastically reduced their ground handling services as well. As we’ve seen more mainline aircraft showing up in regional stations, traditional aviation service providers have gained a presence in regional markets – many of which competed with us and won this Delta business.
I know you will have many questions about what this means for you and your families. Your leadership team is committed to providing you with the tools and information needed to make an informed decision. In these transitions from one service provider to another, it is very common for the new provider to need most, if not all, of the skilled professionals currently working in a station. Our goal is to help preserve as many jobs as possible during this transition, and severance or retention packages, as applicable, will be available for everyone.
In the coming days, you can expect to receive additional briefings from your leaders – including field town hall conference calls and hub town hall meetings. Additional communication specific to your station also will be available.
Your leadership team and People department are here to answer any additional questions you may have, and you have my commitment to share additional information about the transition timeline and job opportunities with the replacement providers as quickly as we know it.
Over the past three years we’ve strived to be the best at providing regional handling services, but now the regional industry is undergoing significant change. While I regret this outcome, I remain proud of and grateful for all you do every day. Thank you for staying focused on running a safe operation, and taking care of each other and our customers as we work through this transition.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:47 pm

This will just hasten the day that Delta mainline flying moves back to SBN. Also SBN needs larger pushback tugs and ground support equipment to handle mainline aircraft during Notre Dame Football season so the mainline aircraft can use the newer concourse gates. DGS can provide that. I hope the wonderful SBN ground employees find jobs with the new provider.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:33 am

DL's screwing over of XJ and OH is now complete. Sell XJ to 9E shuts down XJ HQ and then files bankruptcy and screws over most of the former XJ staff. Just shut down OH and REAS, the combination of the former XJ and OH ground handling divisions.  

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 20):
DGS can provide that.

If needed they will but DGS equipment is DL equipment.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 13):
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12):

That being said... I think DL should just do mainline above/below wing everywhere. Keep it inhouse, so when the station doesn't meet operational goals, they can only blame themselves.

That'd be wonderful for everyone but Delta! Even Southwest who has historically lived by this business plan is looking to outsource now! I agree with you Kai but I think we're living in a dream world!

Some cities don't have as many flights as major cities do. Why pay senior mainline employees to work in a station where all the city sees is a CRJ-200? The airline would lose even more then they already are on that flight

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:45 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 17):
Aren't DGS employees S4 on everyone but mainline?

Nope, not when I worked there. Then again, it's been a few years.
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 21):
DL's screwing over of XJ and OH is now complete. Sell XJ to 9E shuts down XJ HQ and then files bankruptcy and screws over most of the former XJ staff. Just shut down OH and REAS, the combination of the former XJ and OH ground handling divisions.

The unfortunate result of a merger, as I keep saying. In my honest opinion, DL lied the whole time about shutting down OH, XJ, and of course MEM and CVG as I keep saying. I reference newspaper reports from when the merger began claiming "nothing will be cut."
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Especially now that the union is out, there is nothing stopping them from doing that.

.......want to refer me to the section of the contract that stopped them from doing this with a union?

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 16):
We should b so lucky!

hey now. Lets not forget about maintenance.....Delta Delta and DCI work done by TechOps....all ramp and above wing worked by mainline. Sounds like a good plan to me.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 22):
Some cities don't have as many flights as major cities do. Why pay senior mainline employees to work in a station where all the city sees is a CRJ-200? The airline would lose even more then they already are on that flight

Why have mainline employees at all? Why not outsource everything? DGS above and below wing from ATL to EYW.

Oh....because that idea sucks(but it would save the company tons of cash)
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting HermansCVR580 (Reply 9):
How will this affect the required amount of employees that must be Minnesota based? I thought that Regional had their headquarters there out in building C, if they are shutting down is DGS moving shop to MSP?



Not much. The "corporate" side of RE was very small. The overall headcount in Minny will not change much. All the employees (those that chose to) will simply slide under the DGS umbrella.

Quoting kmot (Reply 18):
It is understood that in cities where DGS has won the DL contract, REAS emps will be offered jobs and will be able to keep their seniority dates. However, all jobs will be at a new hire rate of pay.



Pretty much what they did with EV employees in ATL in 2007. Granted, they had nothing to do with DL at the time (had already been sold to OO over a year prior) other than they ground handled their own flights. DL had already took control of OH, F8, OO, and RP flights on D (S5 was always DL handled). Anyway, everyone kept their seniority for bidding and non-rev purposes but as far as pay, everyone reset to 06/1/2007.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 25):
Why have mainline employees at all? Why not outsource everything? DGS above and below wing from ATL to EYW.

Oh....because that idea sucks(but it would save the company tons of cash)



Are you suggesting cities like AVL, CHA, MGM, CSG, etc. should be mainline above and below wing? Just asking. I don't have a preference either way.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:15 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 17):
Aren't DGS employees S4 on everyone but mainline? I remember working ASA and Skywest flights with DGS employees nonreving and noticed they were S4.

I am not so sure now, but back then when I worked in management with DGS, supervisors and above were S3 (also had S2 annual balance) and had full mainline benefits (DL ID Badge also provided) regular hourly staff were S4 (DL only and no OAL benefits and attempting to try to get a ID/ZED ticket could cause issues cause hourly staff had no DL corporate ID or badge to confirm or verify employment for an OAL ticket or Hotel/Travel discount etc., My parents alone were able to bump hourly DGS staff back then.

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:47 am

RE was already a mash of XJ and OH folks...many pretty SR, at that. Now a meld into DGS? Yikes. RE: paying ML folks to work "only" RJ's, just look at DAY for PSA/USAirways. That's all that station is is RJ's...and a VERY senior ground crew from the hub days.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:01 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 26):

Are you suggesting cities like AVL, CHA, MGM, CSG, etc. should be mainline above and below wing? Just asking. I don't have a preference either way.

Yep. Delta work should be done by Delta employees. Not ASA. not DGS. Not Air France. Delta mainline employees.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 26):
Anyway, everyone kept their seniority for bidding and non-rev purposes but as far as pay, everyone reset to 06/1/2007.

which is crap. They should have to start over just like anytime an employee moved to a new airline.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:58 am

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 20):
This will just hasten the day that Delta mainline flying moves back to SBN. Also SBN needs larger pushback tugs and ground support equipment to handle mainline aircraft during Notre Dame Football season so the mainline aircraft can use the newer concourse gates. DGS can provide that. I hope the wonderful SBN ground employees find jobs with the new provider.

They also need to learn how to de-ice in a timely manner. Or push back an aircraft when it's snowing. But I digress.

I can't say this surprises me, Delta seems to be trimming as much of the "fat" as needed (and I don't mean to imply that they should be laying off people). Overall, I think Delta is simply adapting to the current market.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:10 am

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 16):
There was nothing stopping it before.
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 25):
.......want to refer me to the section of the contract that stopped them from doing this with a union?

Hey now...this wasn't meant as an anti union comment, but it was well known that where XJ/RE would have 4 agents working 4 flights in a 20-30 minute span, IAM required 3 agents per flight. In my mind, somewhere in the middle would be about right. Union or not...
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:19 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 31):
IAM required 3 agents per flight. In my mind, somewhere in the middle would be about right. Union or not...

They do???? Didn't know that one......
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
I reference newspaper reports from when the merger began claiming "nothing will be cut."

As I recall, what DL said is that no DELTA "frontline" employees would be cut. Are these people DL frontline employees (meaning mainline)? Nope.
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:39 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 31):

Hey now...this wasn't meant as an anti union comment, but it was well known that where XJ/RE would have 4 agents working 4 flights in a 20-30 minute span, IAM required 3 agents per flight. In my mind, somewhere in the middle would be about right. Union or not...

I was just checking. I get that staffing requirements could be an issue.

Quoting mayor (Reply 33):

As I recall, what DL said is that no DELTA "frontline" employees would be cut. Are these people DL frontline employees (meaning mainline)? Nope.

It was no frontline lay-offs. No frontline employees have been laid off. period.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
The unfortunate result of a merger, as I keep saying.

what are you talking about? OH was dead long before the merger. It was over when the pilots went on strike and no one wanted to buy OH.

REHS is to expensive for Delta....what during the NW and DL merger caused this?
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:04 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 34):

REHS is to expensive for Delta....what during the NW and DL merger caused this?

How could they have been less expensive? Paying $8.75 an hour and topping out at $11 something an hour is so expensive!
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:11 am

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 20):
This will just hasten the day that Delta mainline flying moves back to SBN. Also SBN needs larger pushback tugs and ground support equipment to handle mainline aircraft during Notre Dame Football season so the mainline aircraft can use the newer concourse gates. DGS can provide that. I hope the wonderful SBN ground employees find jobs with the new provider.

Quoting Syncmaster
They also need to learn how to de-ice in a timely manner. Or push back an aircraft when it's snowing. But I digress.

When Delta mainline served SBN deicing was done by Atlantic Aviation. I don't know who does it now.
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 31):
but it was well known that where XJ/RE would have 4 agents working 4 flights in a 20-30 minute span, IAM required 3 agents per flight. In my mind, somewhere in the middle would be about right. Union or not...

Well known to whom?! The above claim is patently false. An A/C such as a 757 or DC9-50 may need 3 people to unload/load it. That is a logistic (or volume of work) issue, not a union one.

You may not have explicitly meant to fan the flames of anti-union bias, but when you imply that NW required 3x the manpower of XJ/RE- without mentioning the differences in A/C types- you're sure doing a good job anyway...

Quoting T5towbar (Reply 32):
They do???? Didn't know that one......

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:58 pm

Wow. sCo has 2 agents on flights? I'm impressed. I'm giddy when I see more than one period on ANY ML flight...let alone 2; and a Lead to boot? Dang!
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 15):
Yeah, but you could ID90 if you knew what you were doing

DGS employees are not eligible for ID-90's.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 17):
Aren't DGS employees S4 on everyone but mainline? I remember working ASA and Skywest flights with DGS employees nonreving and noticed they were S4.

S3C on mainline
S3CR not on mainline.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 27):
I am not so sure now, but back then when I worked in management with DGS, supervisors and above were S3 (also had S2 annual balance) and had full mainline benefits (DL ID Badge also provided) regular hourly staff were S4 (DL only and no OAL benefits and attempting to try to get a ID/ZED ticket could cause issues cause hourly staff had no DL corporate ID or badge to confirm or verify employment for an OAL ticket or Hotel/Travel discount etc., My parents alone were able to bump hourly DGS staff back then

DGS employees have "Delta" badges, it just has a blue strip at the bottom that says Global Services.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 20):
This will just hasten the day that Delta mainline flying moves back to SBN. Also SBN needs larger pushback tugs and ground support equipment to handle mainline aircraft during Notre Dame Football season so the mainline aircraft can use the newer concourse gates. DGS can provide that. I hope the wonderful SBN ground employees find jobs with the new provider.

I'm surprised to see you bringing SBN into a discussion..lol. I doubt very seriously that DL planning is looking where to put aircraft based on who is working their flights. Regional Elite has the training and equipment in many locations to handle mainline flights. If DL and previously NW have been running mainline flights in there for years prior, I doubt they need new equipment to start working them. I also doubt they'd bring in new equipment just to they could use new gates. Just looking at the gates from an aerial view, they can probably arrange that any aircraft be powered out if needed to.


On another note, I hope all of the good people at RES find new employment... and the less than good find something they actually enjoy doing.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:00 pm

Is it possible to work up to mainline benefits with any of these ground handling companies?
 
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:26 pm

Wow... so who is going to take over for REAS in all these cities?
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:46 pm

This brings interesting developments beyond DL handling as well. Recently at MHT, ABE and LFT, Expressjet was providing the ground handling for the pmCO flights and REAS was providing services for the UA flights. under the United RFP Expressjet lost that contract, and REAS was to transition into handling all merged UA flights this September. Many people went over to REAS, giving up the pay, seniority and benefits they had gained at Expressjet. It will be very interesting to see what hapens now that the REAS employees are asked to do the same thing. I know as a company overall REAS had many problems with company morale and employee retention, even going as far to give employees a up to a $500 bonus simply for staying with the company for three months. Unfortunately the only outcome I can see from this is a decrease in the level of customer service provided, as employees become increasingly more dissatisfied.
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 40):
I doubt very seriously that DL planning is looking where to put aircraft based on who is working their flights. Regional Elite has the training and equipment in many locations to handle mainline flights. If DL and previously NW have been running mainline flights in there for years prior, I doubt they need new equipment to start working them. I also doubt they'd bring in new equipment just to they could use new gates. Just looking at the gates from an aerial view, they can probably arrange that any aircraft be powered out if needed to.

I agree. The only kicker may be that equipment was distributed to other cities, that may again be needed. Just as an example, if a city formerly had DC9's, and now only has CRJ's, DL may have taken the larger pushback and moved it to another city, replacing it with a smaller one. Same with deicing trucks, belts, etc. No clue what SBN has (or doesn't have) specifically, just a thought...

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 42):
Wow... so who is going to take over for REAS in all these cities?

DGS is slated to handle something like 72 of them...
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:36 pm

IMHO, Delta will probably never fly mainline aircraft into SBN. There might be a chance for an upgrade of equipment due to Notre Dame football games, but there is nothing else that would make a business sense. The O&D is not there.

Pinnacle still has a MX shop there, and will continue to have RON aircraft in SBN.

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting Shamrock137 (Reply 43):
I know as a company overall REAS had many problems with company morale and employee retention, even going as far to give employees a up to a $500 bonus simply for staying with the company for three months. Unfortunately the only outcome I can see from this is a decrease in the level of customer service provided, as employees become increasingly more dissatisfied.

Absolutely agree! I remember when Comair lost the OMA contract to Midwest, then Midwest pulled out of the contract and Comair, then operating as Regional Elite, won the contract back. They paid $500 to each of the old Comair employees that severed from the company, like myself, to incentivize them to return at 6 month pay and day one seniority. They also offered $1000 to each Midwest employee working the Delta operation to get them to join Regional Elite. I guess they figured the Midwest people had more to offer to Regional being the current employees of the operation versus the Comair people who had been laid off for 9 months. Anyway, you had to stay with the company for a year to keep that sign on bonus. Many Midwest people left early on, only a few Comair people left before the year.

The biggest problem with this whole situation, whether it's Comair, Regional Elite, Midwest, DGS, WFS, Skywest, Expressjet, etc, etc, etc, is that when you have customer facing positions staffed with people who have zero investment in your company, you're going to get a poor product and a low level of customer service. Regional Elite employees everywhere would log on to DeltaNet to look at nonrev loads or to use tools for their job and see pictures of mainline employees having parties over profit sharing checks or announcements of raises for all non-contract employees and it would kill morale instantly. Seeing that Delta employees, some of which may not work nearly as hard as an outstation contract employee, are getting raises, bonuses and are being treated so well by the parent company while you, the contact employee bust your rear for a low wage and almost inhumane work conditions and it kills any satisfaction with that job and that got passed on to the customer. I think airlines all over would benefit from having their customer facing positions being filled by employees that are invested in the company. Because if I feel the company cares about me, I'm going to care about the company's customers.

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 45):
IMHO, Delta will probably never fly mainline aircraft into SBN. There might be a chance for an upgrade of equipment due to Notre Dame football games, but there is nothing else that would make a business sense. The O&D is not there.

Pinnacle still has a MX shop there, and will continue to have RON aircraft in SBN.
9E has an even bigger MX shop at FWA than at SBN; and as a result, most of the DCI FWA flying is 9E CR2s with some EV CR2s mixed in. The 9E hangar handles 3 or 4 CR2 RONs a night, with planes coming from the ATL, DTW, and MSP hubs. Prior to the formation of REAS and the DL/NW merger, PinnPro also had a presence at FWA as the NW ground handler.

9E is hoping to get many of their mechanics at FWA from the Ivy Tech (Indiana's statewide community college system) A&P school at SMD (Smith Field, a GA airport on the city's north side). The program is moving into a larger facility this month, and 9E has stated on numerous occasions that they want to hire mechanics from the larger school. If 9E gets some of the 76-seat DCI flying to replace the CR2s, I could see those planes showing up at FWA and replacing the CR2s on ATL and MSP for sure and possibly some DTW flying as well. As for mainline at FWA again, I think we could see it to ATL, but only if 9E doesn't get some of the 76-seat DCI flying and/or if 9E closes the FWA MX base. Unless that happens, I think FWA and 9E are heavily intertwined.

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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 44):
I agree. The only kicker may be that equipment was distributed to other cities, that may again be needed. Just as an example, if a city formerly had DC9's, and now only has CRJ's, DL may have taken the larger pushback and moved it to another city, replacing it with a smaller one. Same with deicing trucks, belts, etc. No clue what SBN has (or doesn't have) specifically, just a thought...

Well, ya don't necessarily need belts to work a DC-9 (or derivatives) but they would come in handy, in some cases.  
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RE: Rumor: Ground Handler Regional Elite Closing?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:15 pm

REAS just signed ground handling deals for several UA stations including ATW...what happens to them now?

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