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Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:25 pm

Pacific Business News ran an article yesterday about HA's aspirations for China, with an interesting bit of info.

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Hawaiian Airlines has opened sales offices in Shanghai and Beijing, is actively recruiting Mandarin-speaking flight attendants, launched a Chinese-language website last week and began flying nonstop daily to Seoul -- a connection for travelers from China and other locations in Asia.

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“We do have aspirations for China. We’re very focused on it,” (HA CEO Mark Dunkerley) said. He added the airline will establish flights to China “as soon as we have a level of confidence we can get in there successfully.”

Dunkerley said the airline is working to understand how this burgeoning market makes purchasing decisions ­— an important factor in determining Hawaiian Airlines’ approach to expanding to China.

It's been known for years that HA has China in their medium-to-long term plans, but the bit about specifically hiring Mandarin-speaking FAs sounds new. I suppose this also means they're not going to wait for Mainland China to join the Visa Waiver Program before starting flights there.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:47 pm

I think they will wait, as the CEO in an earnings call specifically made mention that they visa issue was an impediment to launching service.

Opening a sales office does not mean flights are imminent. HA has had an office in Japan since the 1980s, and we know they only recently began services.
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:57 pm

HA already carries lots of Mandarin speaking passengers, which is why initially at least, there's a need for more language qualified FAs. Lots of the Chinese passengers currently arrive in Hawaii via the daily ICN flight, which has a lot to do with the flight going daily this summer. I would expect TPE to be the first, with PEK and PVG following as soon as they sort out the visa issues.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:28 am

I can feasibly see them operating in Shanghai
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I think they will wait, as the CEO in an earnings call specifically made mention that they visa issue was an impediment to launching service.

That puzzles me. Visa waiver is terrific, but it hasn't always been there. I used to travel to the USA (from the UK and Australia) back in the late seventies/early eighties without visa waiver, and it sometimes meant long lines at the embassies to get the visa, or even to renew it.

But we did it and the aircraft were packed.

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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:19 am

HA is concerned about Chinese even getting a basic visa, not China getting into VWP. That might take decades.

US business groups have been pushing the US government hard speed up the processing in places like China and Brazil.

See the below stories - its can be a 3 month wait, cost lots of money, and even then no assurance they will get it.

Many Chinese with money to spend and desire to see the world simply look to other places as visiting the US can be a hassle.


Chinese travelers are seeing the USA
Delays in getting visas have been a frequent complaint among Chinese travelers and travel executives. Chinese are still required to have a face-to-face interview with an embassy official. And with only five consular offices in China, applicants in secondary and tertiary cities — an increasingly important group — must travel overnight for an interview.

"They're social elites, and they have to change their busy schedules," Li says. "And they do interviews, not knowing whether they get the visa. That's a deterrent."

At a recent technology conference, Ted Zhang, CEO of Derbysoft, a China-based software firm, bemoaned the slow U.S. visa processing in China. Several employees couldn't come to the conference, he said, because they weren't approved or couldn't apply in time.


http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...e-USA-in-record-numbers/52905866/1

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On a slow bid for China
HAWAII'S tourism industry is excited about the first direct airline flights between Honolulu and Shanghai, which crack the door open to a new, potentially explosive growth market. The promise remains stymied, however, by the difficulty in Chinese travelers obtaining U.S. visas.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/editor...ow_bid_for_China.html?id=124533344

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Over the winter HA's CEO at an earnings call confirmed their great interest in China, but he termed a new flight "years away" and fully reliant on the visa issue working its way out.
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:44 am

To answer the OP's question. I would be very, very surprised if HA wasn't preparing to enter the China market, HA's success in the Asia / Pacific region is going to be the momentum that keeps HA on top for many decades to come. This is a real Cinderella story airline, that almost everyone wants to pull for. Going from Inter Island Airways to the airline of the Pacific.
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:56 am

[quote=LAXintl,reply=5]HA is concerned about Chinese even getting a basic visa, not China getting into VWP. That might take decades.

US business groups have been pushing the US government hard speed up the processing in places like China and Brazil.

See the below stories - its can be a 3 month wait, cost lots of money, and even then no assurance they will get it.

Many Chinese with money to spend and desire to see the world simply look to other places as visiting the US can be a hassle.[quote]



President Obama put out a directive to expedite the Visa process. In China, the wait time from applying to receiving back the passport is down to 3 weeks but we are actually doing them in 2.

http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/waittime.html
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
I can feasibly see them operating in Shanghai

Hawaiian applied for PVG rights in one of the recent rounds of China route awards (2007?).

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I think they will wait, as the CEO in an earnings call specifically made mention that they visa issue was an impediment to launching service.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Over the winter HA's CEO at an earnings call confirmed their great interest in China, but he termed a new flight "years away" and fully reliant on the visa issue working its way out.

Why is Dunkerley calling it dependent on the visa issue when they were all-in five years ago? Must be that the Chinese economy has cooled since then.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:34 pm

[quote=legacyins,reply=7]President Obama put out a directive to expedite the Visa process. In China, the wait time from applying to receiving back the passport is down to 3 weeks but we are actually doing them in 2.

http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/waittime.html

Yet...right below it shows last updated back in October 21, 2009...almost 3 years ago! personally, I wouldn't trust that information at all.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:14 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 9):

Your right. They just updated the info yesterday and the wait time is even shorter. I will hold to the average 2 week since it is summer and the first time applicants are common.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wa..._4788.html?post=Beijing&x=110&y=13
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):
To answer the OP's question. I would be very, very surprised if HA wasn't preparing to enter the China market, HA's success in the Asia / Pacific region is going to be the momentum that keeps HA on top for many decades to come.

Agreed; even if entry into the Chinese market isn't imminent, they're at least getting their ducks in a row now.

Are there any likely partners for HA in China that could be used for mainland feed into PVG or PEK? Maybe China Eastern?
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:13 am

HA just began an agreement with CITS to bring Chinese tourists to Hawai‘i via ICN.

It may be a while before HA begins service to China, especially with all of the governmental approvals needed. But ... it's still a country they are looking to begin service in.
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:44 am

Quoting N202PA (Reply 11):
Are there any likely partners for HA in China that could be used for mainland feed into PVG or PEK? Maybe China Eastern?

If HA does that, they will need to fill a daily PVG and PEK flight. I could see Hawaii becoming "the in thing to do" with those who have a certain level of income (which I understand is not the majority) but that is still a whole heck o lot of potential passengers. China is ripe for HA's product, and as soon as the opportunity arises, HA will gladly start service to PEK or PVG or both, as soon as possible. Good luck HA into tapping that massive untapped non-stop market.
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:37 am

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 12):
HA just began an agreement with CITS to bring Chinese tourists to Hawai‘i via ICN.

Both KE and OZ operate many flights into different locations within China. If they are funnelling Chinese tourists via ICN, does this mean ICN is an under performing market HA wishes to stimulate traffic by adding connections? Or does it mean that in a short time frame, multiple ICN flights could be operating for beyond connections throughout Asia via KE or OZ?
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RE: Hawaiian Air Preparing For China?

Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:53 pm

I think it means that ICN has tons of service from China and happens to be an HA gateway city. ICN going daily tells of its apparent individual success. Of all the HA gateways in Asia, ICN provides the best opportunities for traffic. HA has also recently retimed the ICN service to allow for better connectivity. If HA can build on its O&D success to ICN by providing connecting options to and from China, it only will further bolster the financials. I see ICN upgaging to the 330 next year with the new deliveries. It is interesting to note as well, that the ICNs success increased dramatically when Korea joined the Visa waiver program. My prediction is that TPE-HNL will be HA's first real foray into the Chinese market.