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DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:01 pm

I know that DL projects adding the first six 717aircraft into the fleet in 2013. Anyone heard a time frame for entry into service? Any projected routes yet?
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:09 pm

Only thing I've heard (and take it with the requisite fistful of salt) is that the flying will primarily be ex-MSP/LGA/ATL.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Thread starter):
I know that DL projects adding the first six 717aircraft into the fleet in 2013. Anyone heard a time frame for entry into service? Any projected routes yet?

3rd quarter 2013.

No routes have been announced and/or decided. (Heck DL still is changing equipment for October 2012), so the answer is frankly "no".

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
Only thing I've heard (and take it with the requisite fistful of salt) is that the flying will primarily be ex-MSP/LGA/ATL.

Over time they will be seen predominately at ATL, DTW, MSP, and to a lesser extent LGA.

I guarentee the first routes will be out of ATL.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:54 pm

First base is either DTW or ATL, still undecided. Looking probably around a October 2013 EIS.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:54 pm

I'm looking forward to working on the 717s, despite the probable increase in the number of trips with four legs a day in them.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:01 pm

There are A LOT of DTW routes on 50-seat RJs that are not 50-seat RJ markets.

PVD ALB SYR ROC and BUF all have 4 or more of the daily flights on 50-seat RJs, which are better served for markets like ITH, BGM, AVP and ERI etc.

PVD with 7x (4-5 CR2s and 2-3 CR9/E175) could go something like 3x 717 2x CR7/9

SYR with 5x CRJ could go 2x 717 2x CR7

BUF with 8x CRJ could go 4x 717 2x CR7/9
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:51 pm

I think ATL-HPN makes a lot of sense too....

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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:59 pm

Not sure about the first six, but for the whole fleet, pick the highest yielding, highest passenger volume routes to MSP, LGA and ATL that currently have 4-6x CRJ/7/9s per day.

Sample:

MSP-YYZ: 6x CRJ (300 seats)
MSP-CLE: 5x CRJ (250 seats)
MSP-BNA: 5x CRJ, 1x E170, 1x CR9 (400 seats)
MSP-DSM: 4x CRJ, 2x CR9 (350 seats)

Right now, those four routes get 1300 seats per day on 24 airplanes, an average of 54 seats per flight. Here's what the 717s could do:

MSP-YYZ: 2x 717, 1x CR9 (287 seats)
MSP-CLE: 2x 717, 1x CRJ (262 seats)
MSP-BNA: 3x 717, 1x CRJ (368 seats)
MSP-DSM: 3x 717 (318 seats)

1235 seats on 13 airplanes, an average of 95 seats per flight. Even with higher crew costs in terms of mainline vs. regional, that is some operational/efficiency savings.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Thread starter):
I know that DL projects adding the first six 717aircraft into the fleet in 2013

DL will add 16 717's in 2013, not 6. 2014 and 2015 will see 36 added each year. The rumor is that ATL and or DTW will see the first bases
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
I guarentee the first routes will be out of ATL.

Agreed, no need for a "delivery" flight either   
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:26 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Agreed, no need for a "delivery" flight either

Yes, that would be most convenient. On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps. Have they been doing the work on the MD-90s?
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 10):
On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps.

I believe they've already announced as much. I think a story somewhere said that WN was delivering them ready to go into service.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:45 pm

Is it safe to say that MKE will get at least a few 717 flights? I wouldn't want my username to lose meaning after YX and FL have moved on.    Also, do the 717 deliveries have any correlation with the DC-9 retirements? Like are they going to swap them out one-for-one or are the remaining DC-9s all staying until the end of next year? I just flew ORD-DTW-ORD last week and I'm crossing my fingers that I'll get one more chance to catch a DC-9 flight next summer.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:13 pm

The DC-9s staying the in fleet are a bridge until the 717s arrive.

They offset the capacity being lost in September through the early retirement of the OH CRJ-200s.

The remaining DC-9s should be in service through Summer 2013, and be retired as the 717s come online. One-for-one? Probably not exactly but they will start to go again as they come online.


MKE is a definete candidate to get DL 717s. Most likely on certain DTW-MKE and MSP-MKE frequencies.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Over time they will be seen predominately at ATL, DTW, MSP, and to a lesser extent LGA.

Fair enough.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
I guarentee the first routes will be out of ATL.

I'm not betting against that. Lol.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
Not sure about the first six, but for the whole fleet, pick the highest yielding, highest passenger volume routes to MSP, LGA and ATL that currently have 4-6x CRJ/7/9s per day.

Somewhere on here is a thread speculating on 717 routes. Lots of good ideas, many of which I assume will come to fruition.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 12):
Is it safe to say that MKE will get at least a few 717 flights?

I think so (and MSN, for that matter), but that's only my opinion...
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 14):
Somewhere on here is a thread speculating on 717 routes. Lots of good ideas, many of which I assume will come to fruition.

Pretty much any market that is current served by a DC-9-50 (ex-ATL) and those that still saw NW DC-9 service since 2007 is a market that will likely see some 717s.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:26 pm

I really don't expect to see many 717s at MSP. I believe they will be primarily out of ATL, DTW, and maybe eventually LGA. ATL and DTW have more CR2-heavy routes (DTW especially). There's enough capacity on those routes to replace them with 717s and still keep the frequency at a proper level for a hub. MSP doesn't have as many of those CR2 routes. Most of the ex-DC-9 routes out of MSP have been cut in capacity over the years, not frequency, so plugging in 717s will either raise the capacity too high or drop the frequency too low.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:57 pm

Anyone believe SBN will see some 717s, or is this purely an RJ market?
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 10):
On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps. Have they been doing the work on the MD-90s?

WN is taking care of all painting and interior refurbishing of the aircraft (costing them about $100 million).

Quoting catiii (Reply 11):

  
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 10):
On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps.

Since WN is paying for the mods, does it get some say in where the work is done?
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 14):
Somewhere on here is a thread speculating on 717 routes. Lots of good ideas, many of which I assume will come to fruition.

It will be interesting. And my post in this thread though wasn't to speculate on specific routes ... just to show what kind of *general* routes would provide the kind of optimization that DL has stated they're looking for as the CRJs leave the market. I assume few routes will just go from pure "many CRJ" -> "few 717" ... no doubt they'll be spread out around the DL route system ... but just think of how much operational savings you can find if you use the rule of thumb that 1 717 can replace 2 CRJs. Fewer crew expenses, fewer maintenance issues, less fuel, fewer cycles, fewer landing fees.

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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:24 pm

I would bet ATL is first to see them with scheduled service. Most of the 717s are currently located there and it seems like the easiest place to start them, no?
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 20):
And my post in this thread though wasn't to speculate on specific routes ... just to show what kind of *general* routes would provide the kind of optimization that DL has stated they're looking for as the CRJs leave the market.

I know.

The thread I noted had examples galore of your theory in use. That's why I mentioned it.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:56 pm

If ATL is the first base, I suspect MLB and DAB will get 717 service.

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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
Not sure about the first six, but for the whole fleet, pick the highest yielding, highest passenger volume routes to MSP, LGA and ATL that currently have 4-6x CRJ/7/9s per day.

Sample:

MSP-YYZ: 6x CRJ (300 seats)
MSP-CLE: 5x CRJ (250 seats)
MSP-BNA: 5x CRJ, 1x E170, 1x CR9 (400 seats)
MSP-DSM: 4x CRJ, 2x CR9 (350 seats)

Right now, those four routes get 1300 seats per day on 24 airplanes, an average of 54 seats per flight. Here's what the 717s could do:

MSP-YYZ: 2x 717, 1x CR9 (287 seats)
MSP-CLE: 2x 717, 1x CRJ (262 seats)
MSP-BNA: 3x 717, 1x CRJ (368 seats)
MSP-DSM: 3x 717 (318 seats)

1235 seats on 13 airplanes, an average of 95 seats per flight. Even with higher crew costs in terms of mainline vs. regional, that is some operational/efficiency savings.

I don't see the 717 being in YYZ unless YYZ changes the way they charge landing fees.

Also, the number of seats flying into a particular airport are only relevant if they are full.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 6):

I think ATL-HPN makes a lot of sense too...

would be nice to see mainline at HPN
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting Caleb1

Anyone believe SBN will see some 717s, or is this purely an RJ market?

SBN is not purely an RJ market. They will definitely see 717's on Notre Dame Football weekends and also I believe mainline will definitely return on DL. I can see them doing SBN-ATL and also SBN-DTW. They can rationalize the number of trips to DTW with the 717 vs RJ's and also the 717 is more economical to run in todays fuel cost environment. I think time will tell but when the large pushback tugs get sent to SBN along with the tow bars and Deice trucks etc. from DGS or mainline you will know something is up.

Frontier is so confident that they will steal passengers from United's SBN-ORD RJ service that they opted for mainline Airbus A319's for their SBN-DEN flight.

Delta putting mainline jets back in The Bend will definitely work. Passengers prefer them to RJ's
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
MSP-YYZ: 6x CRJ (300 seats)

Right now, those four routes get 1300 seats per day on 24 airplanes, an average of 54 seats per flight. Here's what the 717s could do:

MSP-YYZ: 2x 717, 1x CR9 (287 seats)

Or, have the 717s replace CR9s, roll the CR9s to replace CR7s, and then have the CR7s replace the CRJs. In this example, 5 CR7s would give you 325 seats. That way you get nearly the same frequency but with better aircraft. Hard to take frequency from 6 to 3, but easier to go from 6 to 5.

Now, out of YYZ, there are 5 non-stops to ATL, 4 out of 5 being CR9s. I could see a 717 on this route for sure.

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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:01 pm

I hope we get to see them at HSV.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 17):
Anyone believe SBN will see some 717s, or is this purely an RJ market?

Both SBN and FWA have 9E MX bases (with FWA's being slightly larger), so I see it this way:

1) If 9E gets at least some of the 76-seat flying, SBN and FWA will remain 9E-dominated stations.
2) If DL continues using CR2s on SBN/FWA-DTW and/or SBN/FWA-MSP to feed the 9E MX lines, ATL would transition to the 717.
3) If 9E closes the SBN and/or FWA MX bases, the affected stations would switch to a mix of other DCI operators and mainline.
4) 9E could also continue an all-CR2 operation at SBN and FWA to feed the MX lines; but I see that as unlikely.

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 26):
SBN is not purely an RJ market.

Neither is FWA, but for the reasons I mentioned, I think the future of 9E (which is basically in ATL's hands) will determine how both airports receive their DL service in the future.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:54 pm

How many are they getting altogether ?
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:07 am

Would love to know if there's any chance of seeing them exXNA to either ATL or DTW. My gut says no, but seeing another mainline bird besides AA at XNA would be awesome.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:13 am

Hmmm... I am wondering if they will show up on RDU - DTW / MSP / LGA / BOS.... Not sure what other routes it could be on from RDU..
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 30):
How many are they getting altogether ?

Getting 88 frames from SWA. Ed Bastian said yesterday that threre are approximately 20 more available elsewhere and it's a good possibility they too may end up with DL.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:14 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 3):
First base is either DTW or ATL,

ATL and/or DTW. I expect ATL will be first with DTW fallowing very shortly after. (ie next AE)

Quoting timf (Reply 10):
I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps

one can only dream.

Quoting LV (Reply 19):

Since WN is paying for the mods, does it get some say in where the work is done?

im sure they will be in charge or Delta will pay for it and WN pay them back.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 17):
Anyone believe SBN will see some 717s, or is this purely an RJ market?

I agree with everything said here. On football weekends, you might see 2x 717 instead of a 1x DC-9 like has happened in the past to both increase capacity but also offer an extra high capacity flight option as well.

I think that it would be unlikely to see regular 717 service at SBN or FWA to DTW. Both are a very short flight to DTW and I would imagine they would want to replace longer RJ routes than this with the 717. For example, the SBN/FWA-ATL service could very well see regular 717 service. Currently SBN/FWA-ATL is 4x each with all CR2 equipment. They could drop this to 2x. Maybe SBN-MSP could go 2x 717 instead of current 4x CR2 as well, but less likely given that most 717 will probably be based in ATL Maybe as a ATL-SBN-MSP-SBN-ATL routing.

I hope whatever happens they don't cut any more seats like has been happening. Fares to SBN have been through the roof the past year or so.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:56 am

I wonder if Delta will keep the registration numbers the same - ie, N9XXAT.

I'm asking since the N numbers are the same for the DC9-50s. I was privileged to ride on N786NC in December 2011. It is obviously a former North Central-Republic-Northwest bird.

Mods: Please remove this post. I posted before thinking it is off topic for this thread.

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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:46 am

Quoting briboy (Reply 27):
Now, out of YYZ, there are 5 non-stops to ATL, 4 out of 5 being CR9s. I could see a 717 on this route for sure.

Doubtful. The likes of YYZ and YUL will continue to be CR7 and CR9 city. Even with the DC9s being in the fleet for almost 4 years now they never got DC9 service ex ATL and easily could have. Tickets are very expensive and the RJ service is cheap. Even AC does it.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 30):
How many are they getting altogether ?

The entire WN fleet. 88

Quoting FLDude (Reply 36):
I wonder if Delta will keep the registration numbers the same - ie, N9XXAT.

DL won't change the N-registration. Only thing that will change is the fleet (tail) number.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 16):

No idea how many MSP will get but quoting a VP -"DL will start receiving 717s during the summer of 2013. MSP will get the type a little later on in the delivery scheme". But yes, I think the train of though is right that DTW and ATL will be the big winners here.

I think the MD90 to what MSP today is, is what the 717 to DTW will be. Dominent but still spread out through other cities and hubs.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting FLDude (Reply 36):

unlikely they change. Delta, unlike other airlines, could care less.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 37):
Only thing that will change is the fleet (tail) number.

aka ship number

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 37):

I think the MD90 to what MSP today is, is what the 717 to DTW will be. Dominent but still spread out through other cities and hubs

I think the 717 will be just like the 90. Large at DTW (for the 90 MSP) but ATL will have the most flights.

I do think MSP and DTW are going to see a large bump in 76 seat flying though. (also SLC)
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:40 am

Food for thought...
I just wonder what they may have in mind for the sequence of ship numbers.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:28 pm

ATL is mostly going to get 717s to replace the existing DC-9 flying and some additional 76 seat flying to balance out the reductions in 50 seat flying

DTW is currently the hub that is most disproportionately out of balance with over 250+ departures on 50 seat regional jets. There will be a significant rebalance of 76 seaters and 717s. The 717s are going to be put back on routes that more recently still saw DC-9 service up until about 3-5 years ago when the pull-down of the remaining -30/40 fleet began.

MSP as well, like said is also going to be getting an influx of 76 seat flying too.

I don't think initially there will be much 717 ex-LGA. DL is going to keep capacity in check as the LGA hub continues to mature. Naturally, some 50 seat flying will get upgauges as demand warrents. DL is going to want to keep their slots and frequencies at LGA so they won't use 717s to reduce frequency, but only to increase capacity. Most of the mainline stuff at LGA is either higher-capacity hub flying or longer Florida type flying that is better served on a 150 seat airplane.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 40):
DTW is currently the hub that is most disproportionately out of balance with over 250+ departures on 50 seat regional jets. There will be a significant rebalance of 76 seaters and 717s. The 717s are going to be put back on routes that more recently still saw DC-9 service up until about 3-5 years ago when the pull-down of the remaining -30/40 fleet began.

I was just thinking of this, if they do end up putting a decent amount of 717s in DTW, is there enough slack in the A gates to absorb all of these extra seats during flight time? I ask this because at times it can get very cramped in the C gates with just 50 seaters, what is going to happen with the upgauge in aircraft? I know the B gates should be ok as they handle the larger aircraft and used to handle the Delta aircraft prior to the merger. I don't think they'll have room in the C gates for the larger jets right?
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:11 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 37):
Doubtful. The likes of YYZ and YUL will continue to be CR7 and CR9 city.

I'm surprised that there's no M/L service to YYZ, but I guess I shouldn't be, especially out of LGA (or as part of the expansion), given the codeshare with Westjet...
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting briboy (Reply 27):
That way you get nearly the same frequency but with better aircraft. Hard to take frequency from 6 to 3, but easier to go from 6 to 5.

Definitely - you can get the same flight reductions by spreading the planes out across the system as you could in my small example. Whether you reduce the number of operations per day by 250 (hypothetical number) at one hub or by spreading them out across all four main hubs (ATL, MSP, DTW, SLC), it's still 250 fewer flights per day.
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 41):
I was just thinking of this, if they do end up putting a decent amount of 717s in DTW, is there enough slack in the A gates to absorb all of these extra seats during flight time? I ask this because at times it can get very cramped in the C gates with just 50 seaters, what is going to happen with the upgauge in aircraft? I know the B gates should be ok as they handle the larger aircraft and used to handle the Delta aircraft prior to the merger. I don't think they'll have room in the C gates for the larger jets right?

The DTW facility is highly underutilized in comparision to its potential capacity.

As it is now:
Concourse A:
- The north side of A Concourse has at least 4-6 gates on the inside that are currently used for 66/70/76 seater regional aircraft, could easily be used for 717s
- Compass E170 & E175s park on A concourse
- At least 3-4 gates are closed and used for ground equipment staging
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Concourse B:
- Concourse B gates can all handle up to 737/A320 sized aircraft, however are currently only used for 50 seat and 2-clas RJs
- I don't think the gates are still marked as such, but when CO used to have their gates on B they could fit in a 757 angled, with the adjacent gate closed off.
- When DL was on Concourse B, they could park 757s and 767s on gate B20 and the end of the concourse
- Gates could easily accomodate 717s
- At least 1 gate is closed to accomodate ground equipment staging

Concourse C:
- Gates C1, C3, C5, and C7 were reconfigured earlier this year to enable CRJ parking. (C1 and C3 used to be Saab-only gates)
- At least 4 gates on the odd-numbered side of C have already been reconfigured to hande CRJ-700 & CRJ-900 aircraft.
- Gate C11 was closed to accomodate the reconfiguration
- Additional gates on C could be reconfigurd to accomodate more CR7 and CR9s.
- There may eventually be a reduction of 4-6 gates on C to fit more 2-class RJs

The long-term plan will get back closer to what it was at DTW a few years ago,
Concourse A - all mainline, including 717s, maybe some E170/E175 aircraft
Concourse B - 2-class RJs (CR7, CR9, E170, E175)
Concourse C - CRJ, CR7, and CR9
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 44):
The long-term plan will get back closer to what it was at DTW a few years ago,


IIRC, pre-merger, Concourse A was entirely mainline except for the SF3 Canada arrivals which parked on the tarmac at a single international gate (A44 maybe).
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 45):
IIRC, pre-merger, Concourse A was entirely mainline except for the SF3 Canada arrivals which parked on the tarmac at a single international gate (A44 maybe).

Correct. And then that Saab would be moved to B/C for the next departure
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting Capitalfler Reply 35, posted Wed Aug 8 2012 21:51:22 your local time (14 hours 34 minutes 46 secs ago) and read 3120 times:

I think that it would be unlikely to see regular 717 service at SBN or FWA to DTW. Both are a very short flight to DTW and I would imagine they would want to replace longer RJ routes than this with the 717. For example, the SBN/FWA-ATL service could very well see regular 717 service. Currently SBN/FWA-ATL is 4x each with all CR2 equipment. They could drop this to 2x. Maybe SBN-MSP could go 2x 717 instead of current 4x CR2 as well, but less likely given that most 717 will probably be based in ATL Maybe as a ATL-SBN-MSP-SBN-ATL routing.

I hope whatever happens they don't cut any more seats like has been happening. Fares to SBN have been through the roof the past year or so.

Actually I got a fare last July to SBN on Delta for 252.00 R/T from DFW. Excepting ND Football weekends the fare now is about 340.00 or so and is the same or better that SWA from DAL-MDW. F9's new service should bring fares down I checked a non-ND weekend in January and F9 was close to 326.00 R/T from DFW-DEN-SBN.

I can see E170 or CRJ7 or CRJ9 service from SBN-DTW and B717 and CRJ9 service to ATL with SBN-MSP remaining on CRJ2's.
 
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RE: DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes

Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 47):
Actually I got a fare last July to SBN on Delta for 252.00 R/T from DFW. Excepting ND Football weekends the fare now is about 340.00 or so and is the same or better that SWA from DAL-MDW. F9's new service should bring fares down I checked a non-ND weekend in January and F9 was close to 326.00 R/T from DFW-DEN-SBN.

I can see E170 or CRJ7 or CRJ9 service from SBN-DTW and B717 and CRJ9 service to ATL with SBN-MSP remaining on CRJ2's.

The last month of so they're been pretty good, I just booked a r/t to LAX for $315. At the beginning of the summer they were averaging closer to $500~600.

As for SBN and the 717, I think it's probable they will see them on football weekends, but more likely will continue seeing CR2's and some CR7's and 9's to offset some reduction in CR2 flying, especially to ATL.

[Edited 2012-08-09 11:05:24]
 
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