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Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:45 pm

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fly-fr...top-between-trenton-140000516.html

A couple of questions:

1. Sounds like a good market to tap into, may F9 would consider Denver at some point?
2. Is there TSA at TTN & what kind of start up costs does F9 incure?
3. What kind of ground support is needed for two flights a week? I assume they'll contract the service out.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:02 pm

First GSO and now this? But I tell you what I like the idea...I hope it pans out
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 1):
First GSO and now this

GSO, TTN...it's like Eastwind all over again!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastwind_Airlines
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting seatback (Thread starter):
2. Is there TSA at TTN & what kind of start up costs does F9 incure?

There used to be TSA at Trenton, but they left in 2008 when Comair and E9 ended service. All of the employees were transferred to surrounding airports like PHL, EWR and ACY.

IIRC, ACY TSA is responsible for TTN. If it's only 2 flights a week, ACY TSA will probably seek volunteers to drive up to TTN and work the flights. Or, they could hire a private contractor to handle it.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting seatback (Thread starter):

1. Dont know if DEN is feasible... TTN's longest runway is only 6000', so that might be a factor

2. TSA is not there right now since TTN has not had scheduled service in years... Streamline flies there, but they are public charter and unscreened

3. most likely everything will be contracted out to FBO, most likely GM in PHL will end up doing both I am guessing.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting seatback (Thread starter):
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fly-fr...top-between-trenton-140000516.html

A couple of questions:

1. Sounds like a good market to tap into, may F9 would consider Denver at some point?


I can't see F9 doing DEN with PHL-DEN offered by them already.

I was thinking the other day that ACY-MCO could have been attempted by F9 but maybe F9 didn't want to go up against NK. However, NK offers a very low comfort experience. The operators at ACY would have been able to better advertise the service and NK has already built the airport, while the TTN service may be less noticed.

[Edited 2012-08-08 08:28:18]
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 5):
The article mentions that Frontier will be the only airline providing scheduled carrier service out of Trenton-Mercer Airport. But Streamline Air is also there. I can't see F9 doing DEN with PHL-DEN offered already and it is so closeby.

Runway length aside, with such a large, populated area, I would think the traffic would be there to support both (similar to Phoenix).
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting seatback (Thread starter):
1. Sounds like a good market to tap into, may F9 would consider Denver at some point?

If it were that good, why have previous attempts to start service there failed?

Quoting seatback (Thread starter):
2. Is there TSA at TTN & what kind of start up costs does F9 incure?

Not sure about TSA, but F9 has been good at getting their costs covered. Probably minimal costs because the airport is begging for any scheduled service.

Quoting seatback (Thread starter):
3. What kind of ground support is needed for two flights a week? I assume they'll contract the service out.

I'm sure they will. Again, the airport may actually be covering the ground handling costs.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting seatback (Reply 6):
Runway length aside, with such a large, populated area, I would think the traffic would be there to support both (similar to Phoenix).

Isn't PHL-DEN already competitive with US vs. UA vs. WN vs. F9? If F9 is very profitable on the PHL-DEN route, then it's fine but if F9 is barely getting by, relying a lot on connections, I can't see opening TTN-DEN as helpful.

I also think the TTN-MCO route might dilute the buildup of ABE. If one is in Bridgewater,NJ or Willow Grove, PA, both services are ~1 hour away but under 90 mins. From Edison, NJ, TTN might be closer than ABE or ACY, but Edison already has close access to EWR, and 1 train access to EWR, where JetBlue likely keeps fares reasonable to MCO. PHL with a choice of WN isn't that far either by drive. TTN also isn't that Turnpike accessible (PA or NJ), requiring a detour, and will require more advertisement of service.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 7):
If it were that good, why have previous attempts to start service there failed?

A few thoughts on that:

1) I don't think there was ever a nonstop service to Florida from TTN. At least not on Eastwind.
2) There's never been service to DEN, if that's a possibility. MDT is working well with that.
3) Frontier, despite its ups and downs, is still longer-lived and established than any airline that's attempted TTN.

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 4):
Dont know if DEN is feasible... TTN's longest runway is only 6000', so that might be a factor

An A319 shouldn't have a problem with that.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 9):
3) Frontier, despite its ups and downs, is still longer-lived and established than any airline that's attempted TTN.

As mentioned, OH use to fly out of TTN to ATL and BOS for Delta Connection. It is hard to say if this service will work, Frontier really isn't the strongest brand in the Northeast or the Northeast-Florida market, but they do fly some odd routes like MDT-MCO. I don't know how strong those routes are performing though.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:50 pm

I like the idea; I think the route will be profitable if it is advertised, and if fares are kept reasonable. Now F9 either needs to let people connect to other flights in MCO or establish a flight to DEN. Doing that would really increase the load factor of the flights IMO (although as others have mentioned, that is a very populated area, so O&D traffic alone may be enough to sustain the flight) Who knows, maybe we'll get some other carriers into TTN if F9's service succeeds (are you listening, WN?).
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 9):
1) I don't think there was ever a nonstop service to Florida from TTN. At least not on Eastwind.

G4 has never served TTN, either, so if there was service to Florida from TTN, it was most likely charters of some sort.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 4):
Dont know if DEN is feasible... TTN's longest runway is only 6000', so that might be a factor

I know that UA flies nonstop from SNA to EWR and SNA's main runway is about 5750ft. I know that this is flying to the east with favorable winds, but I still think the flt from TTN to DEN could be done as well; even with the headwinds. This is a moot point however, because I don't see it happening anyway. Never say never though.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:35 pm

I think it's fair to say MCO is the biggest winner in all these East coast announcements as of lately.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 2):
it's like Eastwind all over again!

Lol. Awesome.

I was thinking the exact same thing...
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:50 pm

WOW

I was just wishing ACY could get Frontier i never thought that TTN had a chance. This is great news!

I said it before but Frontier truly seems willing to try anything new to try to get some actual cash producing routes. At least they are trying some new stuff lets give them some major credit! i think purely staying in denver is a long painful death long term. This will either accelerate frontiers slow death of denver only or produce some really unusual and competition free routes that actual print cash. I really hope they can make TTN work! I bet its MCO i think frontier knows they need a second city after being chased out of MKE. I doubt they want to link Trenton to Denver.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 9):
) I don't think there was ever a nonstop service to Florida from TTN. At least not on Eastwind.
2) There's never been service to DEN, if that's a possibility. MDT is working well with that.
3) Frontier, despite its ups and downs, is still longer-lived and established than any airline that's attempted TTN.

1.Eastwind certainly flew from TTN to FLorida. IIRC Orlando Jacksonville and west palm beach

3. delta and usairways both served TTN? still the airline you buy tickets from and who everyone in the real world considers the serving airline. People dont get off a SLC-RNO flight and say i flew in on skywest.

TTN at least use to offer FREE parking that you can walk to the plane. That is huge in the crowded northeast and will attract a certain following. Long term parking at EWR is $18 a day and requires often an overly full uncomfortable bus with more than half the people standing and its super inconsistent on times. I have definitely waited for over an hour to get on that bus when they kept coming thru full to then be packed like a sardine. Plus the security will be just for your flight and super easy setup for frequent snowbirds.

They use to fill the 737s to Florida and had a very loyal following. TTN is actually a nice facility and has nice room on the inside. I will be very interested to hear the details as to what will open the restaurant etc. I am keeping my fingers crossed and will certainly buy a ticket. Its such an easy airport compared to EWR

[Edited 2012-08-08 14:14:42]
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:07 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
Frontier really isn't the strongest brand in the Northeast or the Northeast-Florida market, but they do fly some odd routes like MDT-MCO.

Frontier will be operating on average 5 flights a day, from various locations, to MCO. TTN-MCO, or MDT-MCO, isn't a one-off for them at this point.

Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
As mentioned, OH use to fly out of TTN to ATL and BOS for Delta Connection.

And that lasted a year, maybe 2. A regional operator with fairly high fares to a hub would be easy to undercut from PHL and EWR, and easy to not be profitable. I don't understand the multiple attempts at TTN-Boston, when the train is both more convenient to Trenton (and/or Princeton) and in some cases faster.

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:10 pm

And people say NK has a dartboard...
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:14 pm

This is a nice surprise, I've been waiting for G4 to enter TTN but this is a nice addition nonetheless. TTN geographically is a near perfect location for a reliever/LCC airport (whatever you want to call it). It sits almost exactly halfway between NYC and PHL right off of I-95. It's even closer to NYC than SWF, and easily accessible from Central New Jersey and Bucks/Montgomery County PA.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:20 pm

Its just nice to see an airline serving the airport and a reason to keep the facilities maintenance up. This is my favorite thread on a.net of 2012 i cant wait to use the airport again. I really hope this one lasts and frontier doesn't loose interest in MCO
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 19):
Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
As mentioned, OH use to fly out of TTN to ATL and BOS for Delta Connection.

And that lasted a year, maybe 2. A regional operator with fairly high fares to a hub would be easy to undercut from PHL and EWR, and easy to not be profitable. I don't understand the multiple attempts at TTN-Boston, when the train is both more convenient to Trenton (and/or Princeton) and in some cases faster.

I know about OH's short-lived TTN-ATL service (no-brainer on that one given the outrageous fares and virtually no advertising). When did they fly TTN-BOS? If it was between the time that FL halted PHL-BOS in Nov. 2007 but prior to WN starting the route in 2011 (it sadly lasted less than a year); WN, at the time, still offered PHL-PVD/MHT as an affordable BOS alternative.

To their credit, Streamline's been trying to capitalize on giving business travelers an affordable Philly Area (TTN) - Boston Area (BED) airline service since WN dropped all its PHL-New England routes earlier this year. At present, TTN's the only airport within 30 to 35 miles from PHL that offers airline service. Granted, Streamline could've chosen ILG as well.

Barring airline/airport delays; scheduled PHL-BOS service via Amtrak still takes longer than flying even w/the Acela.

NK also offers ACY-BOS but its schedule's a bit too limited... especially for day-trippers.

Back to the topic at hand, nice to see TTN finally has a more mainstream LFC coming in. Who knows, should UA, US and/or WN ultimately chase F9 out of PHL; maybe one could see TTN-DEN service added down the road.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
TTN at least use to offer FREE parking that you can walk to the plane.

According to Mercer County's website, they still do.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:47 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
1.Eastwind certainly flew from TTN to FLorida. IIRC Orlando Jacksonville and west palm beach

Yes, but not, as I mentioned, nonstop from TTN. It was briefly a one-stop, but mostly a connect in GSO. Unless I'm missing a timetable. I forgot about USAir (and commuters) and Allegheny. I can't recall any service they had TTN to Florida, they did have nonstops to PIT, DCA, and... PHL! (And up until the early 80s USAir still served North Philadelphia airport.) I'm with you on the ease of use at TTN, and I hope F9 has some success. I hope to that the terminal has something more than vending machines for snacks that I had on my one time through.

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 19):
Frontier will be operating on average 5 flights a day, from various locations, to MCO. TTN-MCO, or MDT-MCO, isn't a one-off for them at this point.

Of which, the "star" route may be ABE-MCO. It began at the end of May with 2 x weekly and is doubling to 4 x weekly in October. TTN should do so well.

I think it is intriguing to see them build this new focus city at MCO. I'm looking forward to the day when they start offering connections at MCO. PUJ, maybe?

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:45 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
Quoting rampart (Reply 19):Frontier will be operating on average 5 flights a day, from various locations, to MCO. TTN-MCO, or MDT-MCO, isn't a one-off for them at this point.
Of which, the "star" route may be ABE-MCO. It began at the end of May with 2 x weekly and is doubling to 4 x weekly in October. TTN should do so well.

I think it is intriguing to see them build this new focus city at MCO. I'm looking forward to the day when they start offering connections at MCO. PUJ, maybe?

MDT-MCO is the most popular route out of Harrisburg. If F9 had more aircraft, I think we would see daily to 2x daily in peak periods.FL was running 2 daily until the announcement of withdrawing from Harrisburg. ABE-Orlando has 3 carriers on the route which is why I think they only started with 2 dailys. Sunday is it though for FL at both stations.TTN could hurt ABE, but we will see. I think ABE has better shot at DEN before TTN ever sees it.

Harrisburg International Airport (MDT) In June Frontier had 92% of seats to Orlando (MCO) sold.

AirTran has had a year-to-date 90% of seats sold.

Combined more than 65,000 people flew between MDT and MCO between Jan and Jun 2012 on Frontier and AirTran.
From HIA's facebook page, not too bad. F9 knows what they are doing, most of FL's MCO only routes did well, why not pick them up if you can make a buck?
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 26):
F9 knows what they are doing, most of FL's MCO only routes did well, why not pick them up if you can make a buck?

I was wondering if Frontier would take over Airtran's CRW-MCO, but I guess not.

Not to worry - TTN-MCO scratches my itch.  

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:31 am

Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 26):
MDT-MCO is the most popular route out of Harrisburg. If F9 had more aircraft, I think we would see daily to 2x daily in peak periods.FL was running 2 daily until the announcement of withdrawing from Harrisburg. ABE-Orlando has 3 carriers on the route which is why I think they only started with 2 dailys. Sunday is it though for FL at both stations.TTN could hurt ABE, but we will see. I think ABE has better shot at DEN before TTN ever sees it.Harrisburg International Airport (MDT) In June Frontier had 92% of seats to Orlando (MCO) sold. AirTran has had a year-to-date 90% of seats sold. Combined more than 65,000 people flew between MDT and MCO between Jan and Jun 2012 on Frontier and AirTran.From HIA's facebook page, not too bad. F9 knows what they are doing, most of FL's MCO only routes did well, why not pick them up if you can make a buck?

And I hear the ticket counter/gate and ramp service that is used by FL and F9 at MDT is top-notch. Not to bad for a contract company.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 26):

TTN shouldnt draw away from ABE. They are they're own markets. Getting to TTN is not easy to do from the Lehigh Valley and most areas of Bucks County, PA would head to PHL. TTN is going to draw from Cental NJ (PHL travelers) and may pull some people away from driving to EWR.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit to see F9 offer an ABE to DEN flight. It's a market ripe for decent LCC service and not just LCC flights to MCO and MYR. With the success NK has had in LBE, they would do very well in ABE and not poach from any other NK markets.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 5):
However, NK offers a very low comfort experience

Being sommebody who has flown NK more than I want to, as my username will tell you, I can tell you that I have been on F9 and NK planes for 4 hours at a time, and I have never wanted a flight to end as much as I did on NK. Granted, it is a bit cheaper, but I think that people would pay the extra money for the IFE and extra seat pitch and legroom.

(BTW, before I face backlash for my username and opinions of NK, let me just say that I have nothing against the NK crews, they always work as hard as they can, which is pretty hard. Also, I created my account here before I had actually flown NK. I liked their colorschemes and saw their planes frequently.)
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:26 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 30):
Being sommebody who has flown NK more than I want to, as my username will tell you, I can tell you that I have been on F9 and NK planes for 4 hours at a time, and I have never wanted a flight to end as much as I did on NK. Granted, it is a bit cheaper, but I think that people would pay the extra money for the IFE and extra seat pitch and legroom.

(BTW, before I face backlash for my username and opinions of NK, let me just say that I have nothing against the NK crews, they always work as hard as they can, which is pretty hard. Also, I created my account here before I had actually flown NK. I liked their colorschemes and saw their planes frequently.)

The funny thing is that F9 is trying to become NK in their transition to an ULCC. I would venture to say that those amenities on F9 will have a price tag associated with them in the future or be eliminated alltogether.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:54 am

I would definately try F9 for my winter trip to Orlando. My only concern is the 2x weekly service, it might be hard to make work. It would cut 1/2 hour each way off my travel time. 40 minutes vs 1:15
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:10 pm

I wonder - does this new route for F9 involve some tour operator blocking seats? Frontier has done a lot of that in the last couple of years, so their overhead may well be covered by the tour operator, and any "direct" booking passengers are gravy to them.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 4):
1. Dont know if DEN is feasible... TTN's longest runway is only 6000', so that might be a factor

I wonder if they'd have any success with a DEN-MDW-TTN-MDW-DEN route.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 12):
I like the idea; I think the route will be profitable if it is advertised, and if fares are kept reasonable

Back in the late 60s, I taught school across the river from Trenton -- but in Pennsylvania. Then the area was a "silk-stocking" suburb to both Philadelphia and New York City. Today there is more middle-income housing -- plus there is the New Jersey State government and the two universities ( College of New Jersey and Princeton). In other words, there is more of a market then might have existed years ago. And automobile traffic has gotten so bad that commuting to EWR or PHL is becoming annoying.

So the seeds needed for growth are in place.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
They use to fill the 737s to Florida and had a very loyal following. TTN is actually a nice facility and has nice room on the inside. I will be very interested to hear the details as to what will open the restaurant etc. I am keeping my fingers crossed and will certainly buy a ticket. Its such an easy airport compared to EWR

Yeah really, me too! Although I live in Warren so I'm about 15 minutes from EWR and about 40-50 from TTN. I can go from my front door to terminal A in about 20 minutes.

Still, this is fantastic. I though TTN was a goner for airline service since the regionals pulled out.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting flyjoe (Reply 29):
TTN shouldnt draw away from ABE. They are they're own markets. Getting to TTN is not easy to do from the Lehigh Valley and most areas of Bucks County, PA would head to PHL. TTN is going to draw from Cental NJ (PHL travelers) and may pull some people away from driving to EWR.

The area of overlap would be NW NJ, even far east by Bridgewater which is developed, and Montgomery County PA (Plymouth Meeting-Horsham-Doylestown). While even MDT and ABE have overlap (Lancaster and Berks Co PA), MDT is the primary airport of its area, with scheduled service from all the major carriers and ABE is known in its area, and carrier service from the major carriers, with the exception of lack of AA service. Although ABE suffers leakage, one has to see that Dorney Park and other attractions pull in people from Central and Northern NJ and the Philadelphia metropolitan region, so something like low fares to Florida would cater to that same leisure group. Many prefer using an airport with daily scheduled service or atleast the option to fly back on another carrier on other day.

Going to TTN is a no service airport and would require extensive advertising into both the North Jersey and Philadelphia markets?, and even the affluent locals (around Newtown and Princeton) still might go for it (with 2x weekly inconvenient), and what good is advertisement of service if its so minimal. Just think that they should have gotten MDT daily and ABE daily before jumping into TTN, and it might dilute the ABE buildup. If going for Jersey, ACY might have made more sense, and far less overlap with ABE.

[Edited 2012-08-09 09:06:49]
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:54 pm

I might have chosen ILG over TTN, unless they're trying to capture the Princton market too. But good to see F9 thinking outside the box.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:39 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 38):
I might have chosen ILG over TTN

TTN provides F9 with a lot larger of a population base to pull from. If you're in Central / NW NJ, the option to drive to TTN instead of EWR for a vacation is fantastic! Even though TTN area to PHL isn't that far, you're having to drive through PHL on constantly packed I-95. People in the ILG area can make it up to PHL much easier without having to drive through the city and BWI is not an awful drive either.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:57 am

I wonder how many flights TTN could expand before the NIMBYs revolt and ruin it?

Would love to see WN try 2X BWI 2XMDW but F9 needs to do well first before WN would even consider TTN.

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 40):
Would love to see WN try 2X BWI 2XMDW but F9 needs to do well first before WN would even consider TTN.

Personal take: as long as WN is at PHL, I don't see them setting up shop at either TTN or ILG.

Unlike NYC-area airports, PHL is not slot-restricted. As long as WN have room to grow (the recent PHL cutbacks, they did on their own); they're not going to open another station that's located only 30 to 35 miles away.
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:23 pm

Slightly off-topic, but since we're talking the general neighborhood of Trenton and eastern PA, did Allegheny Commuter serve Northeast Philadelphia airport at one time?
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 40):

I wonder how many flights TTN could expand before the NIMBYs revolt and ruin it?

At least NJ.com is onside:

http://www.nj.com/times-opinion/inde...ditorial_frontier_airlines_fl.html

"Editorial: Frontier Airlines flights from Trenton-Mercer Airport should bolster facility's growth"

I think it is running well ahead of itself when it talks about a possible Frontier expansion at TTN - this service needs to prove itself first - but the very early signs are quite encouraging.

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting seatback (Thread starter):
1. Sounds like a good market to tap into, may F9 would consider Denver at some point?
Quoting Flytravel (Reply 5):
I can't see F9 doing DEN with PHL-DEN offered by them already.
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
An A319 shouldn't have a problem with that.

I think that runway permitting, DEN-TTN should be the next route out of TTN if TTN-MCO shows good results.

Quoting seatback (Reply 6):
Runway length aside, with such a large, populated area, I would think the traffic would be there to support both (similar to Phoenix).

I believe that both DEN-PHL/TTN are doable by F9, if TTN works out with MCO.

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 1):
First GSO and now this? But I tell you what I like the idea...I hope it pans out

And maybe then a DEN-GSO nonstop?

F9 is hopefully doing what they have to to make sure they are cash positive each quarter. If they do this, does it really matter how they do it, eh?

 

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 42):
Slightly off-topic, but since we're talking the general neighborhood of Trenton and eastern PA, did Allegheny Commuter serve Northeast Philadelphia airport at one time?

Yes. I've seen schedules as late as the mid-80s. (That would be USAir, but a continuation of Allegheny.) Ransome Airlines, possibly Suburban as the commuter carrier? Here's an image of a timetable from 1979: http://www.departedflights.com/AL102879p46.html

Quoting mariner (Reply 43):

"Editorial: Frontier Airlines flights from Trenton-Mercer Airport should bolster facility's growth"

Imagine that, a local newspaper editorial in favor of Frontier!
(I'm being selectively sarcastic. Local paper in COS has also been favorable.)
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
1.Eastwind certainly flew from TTN to FLorida. IIRC Orlando Jacksonville and west palm beach

And I believe Tampa as well - I remember a family member that lived in the New Hope PA area flying Eastwind a couple of times to visits our elderly relatives in Tampa from TTN.

Off-topic, but is U5 still flying at all? Another airline we used to use for cheap Florida flights from the PHL area.....
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:29 am

Quoting rampart (Reply 45):
Imagine that, a local newspaper editorial in favor of Frontier!
(I'm being selectively sarcastic. Local paper in COS has also been favorable.)

I got your sarcasm (duh). It was posted in response to the concern about nimby.

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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting rampart (Reply 45):
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 42):
Slightly off-topic, but since we're talking the general neighborhood of Trenton and eastern PA, did Allegheny Commuter serve Northeast Philadelphia airport at one time?

Yes. I've seen schedules as late as the mid-80s. (That would be USAir, but a continuation of Allegheny.) Ransome Airlines, possibly Suburban as the commuter carrier? Here's an image of a timetable from 1979: http://www.departedflights.com/AL102879p46.html

Thanks! Very interesting--the linked timetable shows 6 flights a day, with 5 to PHL (a 15 minute flight) and 1 to DCA. I would have thought all of the flights went somewhere other than PHL, such as PIT.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces TTN (Trenton)

Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:45 am

Glad to see TTN getting scheduled service from one of today's major airlines!

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