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Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:42 pm

Did I miss something recently, or is Frontier adding more routes to secondary locations such as Mesa and today's announcement of Trenton...???

Is there something going on at F9 that I haven't read about?

Isn't Republic trying to spin them off, merge, or do something with them?
 
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting bhmdiversion (Thread starter):
Is there something going on at F9 that I haven't read about?

Isn't Republic trying to spin them off, merge, or do something with them?
F9 is being transformed into a ULCC like Allegiant and Spirit, although I don't think they are going to make their product that bad.

[Edited 2012-08-08 10:45:54]
 
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:48 pm

I'm not sure they are going totally ULCC, but they certainly are following some similar route-like choices.

With a load factor exceeding 93 percent, seems like they're attracting a following, just not sure if they're making any money.

Overall, I think this strategy (going into markets WN isn't likely to touch) is working for them. My concern is how viable this is in the long run.
 
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
I'm not sure they are going totally ULCC
Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
I don't think they are going to make their product that bad.

Perhaps a ULCC on sterioides
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Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:10 pm

They just announced the return of DEN-FAR.

A little competition at FAR will be nice. Legacies own the airport and the fares reflect it, sadly. Hopefully it sticks this time around. Looks like it will be on Airbus aircraft as before.
 
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting seatback (Reply 2):

Not just a matter of going into markets where Southwest isn't flying, it's also a matter of cherry picking routes with frequencies spread out across the week. Think of it as the "Allegiant Model Meets the Hub and Spoke Model."
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
Perhaps a ULCC on sterioides

You got it! It has been discussed quite extensively both by Bryan Bedford before and continues with David Siegel that they want the cost structure in the ULCC range. They have also both indicated that they would prefer to keep the product a step up, while generating additional ancillary revenue "where it makes the most sense."
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 6):
they want the cost structure in the ULCC range.

The cost structure might be getting there, but I wonder how long it is until we see Spirit-like scheduling with departures at 1:40 a.m. or whatever. They've got the planes - why not keep them in the air?
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 7):
The cost structure might be getting there, but I wonder how long it is until we see Spirit-like scheduling with departures at 1:40 a.m. or whatever. They've got the planes - why not keep them in the air?

I wish. I'd love to see some red-eyes in there, not necessarily daily. AZA-MCO - BIS-MCO, etc.  

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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
Looks like it will be on Airbus aircraft as before.

IIRC last time F9 served FAR it was with Q400's.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 7):
The cost structure might be getting there, but I wonder how long it is until we see Spirit-like scheduling with departures at 1:40 a.m. or whatever. They've got the planes - why not keep them in the air?

I completely agree.
 
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 5):
Not just a matter of going into markets where Southwest isn't flying, it's also a matter of cherry picking routes with frequencies spread out across the week. Think of it as the "Allegiant Model Meets the Hub and Spoke Model."

I hope this is a sustaining long term strategy.

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 6):
. They have also both indicated that they would prefer to keep the product a step up, while generating additional ancillary revenue "where it makes the most sense."

Although I've never flown Spirit, I've read several reviews on their service and they haven't been very complimenary.

NK could still use their operating model, but improve their service (like WN does.)
 
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 5):
Not just a matter of going into markets where Southwest isn't flying, it's also a matter of cherry picking routes with frequencies spread out across the week. Think of it as the "Allegiant Model Meets the Hub and Spoke Model."

Would that be the "FL strategy," except that DEN has somewhat more competition than ATL?
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Would that be the "FL strategy," except that DEN has somewhat more competition than ATL?

AirTran was pretty solid with regular/daily service to its Atlanta hub, and sparse scheduling point to point. Frontier's doing sparse scheduling to its main hub from smaller markets, complimenting frequent daily scheduling to larger markets.
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 12):
Frontier's doing sparse scheduling to its main hub from smaller markets, complimenting frequent daily scheduling to larger markets.

. . . west of the Mississippi. But in the eastern part of the country, they have the MCO experiment (to TYS, ABE, TTN, etc.) that looks an awful lot like MCO. And remember that DEN does have some leisure demand.
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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting bhmdiversion (Thread starter):
Is there something going on at F9 that I haven't read about?

In terms of financial performance, this article explains what is going on:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...gh-solid-revenue-improvement-80187

"Frontier’s ongoing network overhaul shows promise through solid revenue improvement"

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RE: Questions On Frontier And Their New Routes...

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:52 am

I was checking on Expedia and I see that F9 has sold about half the seats on the DEN-SBN flights for the Notre Dame-Stanford weekend and the Notre Dame-BYU weekends. But it is early yet and I figure there are people that do not have their tickets yet for the games and haven't made their travel arrangements yet. It seems to be that way on all SBN flights on competitors out of ORD and ATL or DTW. I was getting a little worried that F9 would have problems filling a 138 seat A319 on the route but I really think come game week those flights will be full.